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Thread started 06/28/14 5:18pm

Shawy89

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I think it's not fair (About SGT Pepper)

This information is just disturbing!

"knowing they would not have to perform the tracks live, they adopted an experimental approach to composition" --- From Wikipedia.

This album is regarded as the best album of all time.... Due to the whole futuristic avant grade aspect it has.... Yeah, every artist can do that if THEY KNOW they won't perform the songs live.

It's like Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody minus the opera part... that part was great and amazing but they never did it live (As in bringing the whole opera and performing the whole acapella live)....

I just think it's not FAIR!!

And this just doesn't imply on SGT, all of their GOOD material such as Revolver, Rubber Soul and Abbey Road was never performed live, this gives them the ability to do anything in the studio, anything, create any experimental & western sound they like & they know they'll never have to use in live show cuz they'll never do it in live show..... Prince could've taken Purple Rain to a much GREATER level musically, extending the lengh of every track and mashing up instruments and creating a suite or whatever psychedilya is about..... and Purple Rain would've been the best album of all time.

I just don't get why people say SGT pepper is the best album of all time because it was ahead of its time musically speaking and all that..... Any album can be musically advanced... You add bass clarinets? You play the sitar? That means shit if you can't do it in front of people...

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Reply #1 posted 06/28/14 5:24pm

EroticDreamer

Shawy89 said:

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I just think it's not FAIR!!


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OK, now what?

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Reply #2 posted 06/28/14 5:30pm

Shawy89

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I'm waiting for y'all to agree or disagree with me or whatever..

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Reply #3 posted 06/28/14 5:37pm

MickyDolenz

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Shawy89 said:

you can't do it in front of people...

That would have been expensive for The Beatles to carry around a bunch of extra musicians, and no one could hear it anyway, since their concerts was all screaming and they had small amps. The audiences for orchestras and tradition Indian music are usually quiet. There's a group called Koop, who has made songs from thousands of samples (not in a Puff Daddy way) and they couldn't perform it live in the way it was recorded. The songs can be played by a band though. So can the Beatles songs, but not by a 4 piece. Here's a group doing Revolution 9:


You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #4 posted 06/28/14 6:07pm

EroticDreamer

Shawy89 said:

I'm waiting for y'all to agree or disagree with me or whatever..

It doesn't matter to me, art is art.

Jurassic Park wouldn't be very effective as a live play but that wouldn't make me enjoy the movie any less. I've heard that very talented but fool Prince boast about how there are only 'real musicians' on the stage and no computers but the two-faced guy has used a drum macine and computers so many times. Is he telling us to not listen to that music and gonna offer a refund?

The musician/artist/film maker should use every means possible to bring their vision to life, imo.

Unless Greedo shoots first!

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Reply #5 posted 06/28/14 7:10pm

CynicKill

http://midnightpunk.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/album-the-mothers-of-invention-were-only-in-it-for-the-money.jpg

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Reply #6 posted 06/28/14 7:34pm

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I will forever love SGT Pepper cause it gave us this.

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
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Reply #7 posted 06/29/14 3:44am

Cloudbuster

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^ lol

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Reply #8 posted 06/29/14 4:26am

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I don't understand your point...Prince uses layered voices a lot of times, he can never perform that live, so? Lots of albums have this.

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Reply #9 posted 06/29/14 8:04am

duccichucka

Shawy89 said:

This information is just disturbing!

"knowing they would not have to perform the tracks live, they adopted an experimental approach to composition" --- From Wikipedia.

This album is regarded as the best album of all time.... Due to the whole futuristic avant grade aspect it has.... Yeah, every artist can do that if THEY KNOW they won't perform the songs live.

It's like Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody minus the opera part... that part was great and amazing but they never did it live (As in bringing the whole opera and performing the whole acapella live)....

I just think it's not FAIR!!

And this just doesn't imply on SGT, all of their GOOD material such as Revolver, Rubber Soul and Abbey Road was never performed live, this gives them the ability to do anything in the studio, anything, create any experimental & western sound they like & they know they'll never have to use in live show cuz they'll never do it in live show..... Prince could've taken Purple Rain to a much GREATER level musically, extending the lengh of every track and mashing up instruments and creating a suite or whatever psychedilya is about..... and Purple Rain would've been the best album of all time.

I just don't get why people say SGT pepper is the best album of all time because it was ahead of its time musically speaking and all that..... Any album can be musically advanced... You add bass clarinets? You play the sitar? That means shit if you can't do it in front of people...


This is a ridiculous argument. It's like saying the Mona Lisa can't be considered a great

painting simply because da Vinci couldn't or didn't paint it in front of people, and that we

should just disregard the art as it is presented in and of itself in it's final form because of

this. Being able to perform a piece live is not a criterion of whether the piece is good

in and of itself.

Sgt Pepper's is considered a great album because up until that point in popular music,

songwriting conventions didn't make use of bass clarinets, or sitars, or fanciful production

values that couldn't possibly be presented live without studio/sound technicians.

What is with the Beatle hate in this forum? If the Beatles do not make Sgt Peppers, there is

no Purple Rain! There is no OK Computer! There is no {insert any conceptual-suite-pop-

music-stretching-towards-being-high art-album here} without Sgt. Peppers; and this is even

if you do not like its music. You must still appreciate the vanguard that SGTP was, again, even

if it is only for historical purposes.

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Reply #10 posted 06/29/14 8:23am

savagedreams

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I just don't get why people say SGT pepper is the best album of all time because it was ahead of its time musically speaking and all that..... Any album can be musically advanced... You add bass clarinets? You play the sitar? That means shit if you can't do it in front of people...

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you obviously have no concept of the time and what 'albums' were before this album came out. one of the things that made this album so great is that it was one of the first pop albums to really look at an album as a single piece of work, rather than just a compilation of songs. that was a very new concept. it changed the way people looked at albums, and how they created them. i would also say that an album like this is what helped pave the way for concept album such as The Whos Tommy that came out a few years later and any that followed after.

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addidng bass clarients really isnt the point of why its considerd such a great album. rolleyes

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