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and how about this story. MJ actually wanted to work with Justin and record a duet for "Gone". Even MJ respected the man's talents enough to want to record a song with him and that was at the time he was with N Sync..
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Good point, but couldn't that also be considered MJ just collecting on JT's debt to him? Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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If he knows that he benefits from it then he can use that privilege to teach other white people about it or call them out on it without acting like some white savior. | |
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It dosen't sound like something Mj would do imo And this happened before JT's solo career and the rejected songs. He probably genuinely appreciated Justin's skills and enjoyed the song enough to want to work with him and specifically him without N Sync.. MJ wouldn't work with someone he didn't respect.. [Edited 5/16/14 15:46pm] | |
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exacly. Justin can make great songs without even sounding like MJ. His second album sounded more like Prince than Mj and was a great followup. and the fact that he's able to write great songs and hit the charts is a big talent itself.. Prince with all the talents in the world can't even get a hit nowadays.. And many music heads like us enjoy his work. Even guys like Questlove who is a reknowned big music head enjoys his work. His first album alone is arguably a mordern day classic pop album (and I'm gona get flamed for saying this ). He's far from the manufactued N Sync days which he frowns upon. He genuinely enjoys the music he makes and most people do too. Nobody is acting like he's changing music or is the greatest at anything but at the end of the day he is one of the best music entertainers of our time.. [Edited 5/16/14 15:42pm] | |
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I just saw a news story about the new song released from MJ's album. Why did the news call it "Justin & Michael'' instead of Michael & Justin? The original song itself doesn't feature JT, so why are they making a big deal out of JT? Trolls be gone! | |
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> Yeah you did just say that!
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dosen't sound like you agree with me so you don't believe that being able to write hit songs is a talent? even Prince who is clearly more talented than he is can't come up with one anymore.. that's what i meant.
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dosen't sound like you agree with me so you don't believe that being able to write hit songs is a talent? even Prince who is clearly more talented than he is can't come up with one.. that's what i meant.
That's an irrelevant comparison. Of course Prince, an artist who's been making music since the 70s and is associated with the 80s isn't going to have a song on the charts today. JT is strictly a singer from this generation. In 10 or so years his name will slide off the charts just like any other standard artist's does. | |
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Prince hasn't had a hit song since early 90s though. He didn't lose that ability just now with the amount of music released and attempts at being relevant again you would expect him to get at least one in the past 20 years. Also, MJ had hits in 3 different decades. that was not an excuse for Mike. ALl i'm saying is it takes talent (obviously) whether some like JT's songs or not to get hits even in today's charts... and even if JT stops having hits in a decade he's gona be have a longer period of having hits than Prince. [Edited 5/17/14 14:56pm] | |
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Stop that nonsense. You know very well what type of artists have had a chance in radio during the last 10-15 years. Prince has not been completely excluded from the mainstream, but he resides too much in the "grey area" between pop and alternative music for him to get so much airplay that he'd get his singles in heavy rotation. | |
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Many rnb artists and rock artists have had hits in the past 20 years and Prince can do both genres. and let's not act like Prince hasn't tried to have a hit in the past 20 years. He even tried recently with the techno influenced song "Fallinlove2nite"
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You know damn well that once you're out of the airwaves it's really hard to get back there for any older artists. The few names that have made "a comeback" have been treated as if their music would possess some sort of novelty value (Cher's "Believe" comes to mind).
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Stop. Just stop. You sound like you don't know jack about R&B right about now. In no corner of and circle of hell does Timberlake sound like Marvin Gaye. Have you ever even heard Al Green? [img:$uid]http://s27.postimg.org/furmjzvlb/cmonson.gif[/img:$uid] That shit is absurd. You invalidate any opinions you have when you say something like that. That is like saying Carly Rae Jepsen sounds like Whitney Houston. Secondly, I didn't say everything he does sounds exactly like MJ. IHe is STRONGLY influenced by MJ. Even in Pusher Love GIrl, the chorus sounds like something he thinks Mike would have done. He tries to cleverly mask some of what he does but people who really know Mike's vocal style know when he's masking. I never said MJ was his only influenc e but he is obviously his biggest influence.
For the record, I don't blame him for being influenced by MJ; many artists are. I blame him for being so mediocre and I blame mass marketing for making him acceptable without being ecxeptional. [Edited 5/17/14 5:39am] | |
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so what does that mean? Prince can't get back on the airwwaves because of radio or because he can't write songs that deserve to be hits anymore? I choose the latter
I agree that he dosen't focus mainly on having hits but when he tries to he dosen't succeed. Rave .. that didn't go too well.. He tried to have one with "Black Sweat" and didn't..
I think David Bowie had a top 10 hit single in the uk with "where are we now".. as for Radiohead they were never known to have hits unlike Prince.. [Edited 5/17/14 6:22am] | |
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It probably means both.
Bowie's recent "hit" with "Where Are We Now" had nothing to do with the song as such, but because it was the first thing he released in ages and people had been missing him. With a more normal release schedule that song would have been no doubt overlooked completely. It had no intrinsic hit value as such. [Edited 5/17/14 6:52am] | |
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Rave might have been his last chance but he's the only one to blame for it not having the impact he hoped for. None of the songs on that album sounded like a hit. You and I probably agree on this
and even if being on the radio was of first importance to him he wouldn't end up on it anyway because he has lost the ability to write popular songs for a while now.. and i do believe he somewhat cares bout his new music not being played since he complains about it
I admittedly don't follow David Bowie's career very closely but i doubt he's been nearly as interested as Prince in having more hits in the past 2 decades.
As for Radiohead.. cmon they have never been considered a pop act like Prince [Edited 5/17/14 7:47am] | |
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What exactly does a hit sound like? All types of songs became hits. Did Don't Worry Be Happy by Bobby Mcferrin sound like a hit? It was a acapella song in the mid 1980's. How about La Bamba by Los Lobos which was in Spanish or Rock Me Amedeus a German rap song or Natalie Cole overdubbing her voice on her father's Unforgettable. Getting radio play has more to do with payola and sometimes luck. Carl Douglas' Kung Fu Fighting was the b-side of the song that was being promoted to radio, but DJ's flipped it over. Barry White first got radio airplay because some club DJ's in New York City started playing Love's Theme and it became really popular in the clubs. Disco Inferno was released as a single in 1976, but was mostly ignored. Then a year later it was put on the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack and became a hit. When I'm With You by Sheriff originally came out in 1982 and didn't do anything. The same exact song was re-released in 1988 and became a big hit (USA). It wasn't re-recorded, it was the same version. I don't think the group still existed in 1988. Why did songs like this fail, and then later became a hit? . There's also songs that became hits more than once like The Twist by Chubby Checker, What A Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong, Stand By Me by Ben E. King, and The Contours Do You Love Me. Most of them were decades after they first came out. Then there were remixes of old songs that became hits: It's Like That ~ Run DMC, A Little Less Conversation/Rubberneckin ~ Elvis Presley, Farewell My Summer Love ~ Michael Jackson You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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Don't be c'mon'ing me on Radiohead
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I don't think Bruno is "original" either but it doesnt seem like he "tries hard". His talent, performances etc seem more natural. | |
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that's a tough question. one thing that seems common with the songs you mentioned is strong choruses but different eras have different criterias i guess. They have a classic feel to them so it's not surprising they became hits. You kinda know when you hear a song for the first time that it has potential. with most recent Prince songs I don't really hear a potential that it will blow up. A song that takes more than 1 listen to be enjoyed nowadays probably isn't gona be a hit I think the first time in a while many Prince fans really thought had a hit again was with "fallinlove2nite" but that didn't do it. [Edited 5/17/14 9:36am] | |
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Those Gregorian chant records in the early 1990s were really popular and there were no strong choruses. Intrumental songs have no choruses at all, and some have become hits. Many acts have songs with catchy hooks, but are on small labels that don't have the funds to get them on the radio. There's thousands of records released each year, they can't all get on the radio or become hits. There's also the case where I mentioned that some songs failed to catch on when released, but happened to become a hit years later. It's the same song, why didn't it become a hit the first time? Lots of songs get played on the radio too, and they don't become hits either. There's songs that are popular but were never big hits, like Bad To The Bone by George Thorogood and Stairway To Heaven by Led Zeppelin. Gospel and blues records often have strong choruses, but they rarely become hits. . This was a hit, but does it have a catchy chorus?: You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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The 00s have had a loooot of #1's that have not really been catchy. It's often been more about the production style or the performers having a quality to them that young audiences could idenfity themselves with easily. | |
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Exactly! He's the product of marketing and heavy production. He does have some talent but he's not the second coming of MJ. I cringe sometimes when I see how he's a brazen copy cat. I remember a beer commercial he was in a while back and it was playing one of his tracks while he was trying to dance in a black night club or something. I guess it must be fun to have only a recreational relationship with those that you imitate and then be offered up to the masses as some kind of extraordinary RnB singer...... Trolls be gone! | |
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there is no definitive answer to what a hit sounds like. As i said you gotta consider different periods too. The song you posted was at a time the dirty south dumbed down rap songs was trending. It reminded me of the horrible "Laffy taffy" (thx for that ) but in many many cases radio choruses are very catchy (obviously)
did MJ the king of pop ever have any hit songs without a catchy chorus. ANd yes some songs can be unfairly treated by the radio but do you really feel that's the case with the music Prince has been putting out for the past 20 years?? As i said generally you know based off one listen if a song has potential. A song like "Breakdown" for example won't become one because it's supposed to be one of those grower songs. | |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecw7dVKb8A4 This is a video of the Charlie Wilson tribute at the BET awards last year. JT is about three minutes into this. The crowd didn't seem to react once he started singing, unlike the others (Pharell and Snoop). By the way, I don't know how to properly upload Youtube videos on here so if someone could repost the video with the properly display that would be great [Edited 5/17/14 11:29am] Trolls be gone! | |
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