...and as far as 'white privledge' goes, yeah JT definitely benefits from it...but it's a system that he didn't create and goes way beyond him, so I can't bring myself to be bitter at him about it. | |
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Who fucking said that? [Edited 5/15/14 13:10pm] | |
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> True it is what it is. > As to the immediate subject at hand... >
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Bruno Mars is a corny dork. I hate that whole urban-lite, post-modern Chris Isaak-esque 'hipster' shtick of his. He's like a Gen-Y version of Jon Cryer in Pretty In Pink with a guitar. [Edited 5/15/14 13:13pm] | |
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You can't possibly be serious about Bruno can't dance. Can you post a video of him dancing terribly? Trolls be gone! | |
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JT is one of the best mainstream acts out there right now, and I enjoyed his last album. It's a good one. However I agree that D'angelo has more talent. At least at what he does. He doesn't necessarily have to be better at creating pop music and branding his pop image though. It's very different styles IMO. My Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/tundrah | |
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Wonder what sort of rocks he's been living under? | |
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That's because you never dug into him to find out how good he is. I agree, somehow, I hate it that his image looks way to different from what he is... But we gotta say that in these days you gotta hold a guitar, wear a hat and sing corny pop songs to have people buying your albums and expand your fanbase... Ain't that what The Beatles were in the early 60s? | |
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Artisitically we really are doing a disservice to D'Angelo by putting him in the same sentence as Justin and Bruno. But he does have his share of problems. He's complicated. He's non-productive and on his best day will never be a better "star" then Justin. Justin is a charmer and everybody likes him. This might be a case of when white privilege kicks in. If a black artist tried that he'd be labeled a fake and phony. | |
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Can someone please explain how black artists couldn't get their music on the radio and had their songs watered down by white artists? See Pat Boone and Little Richard, for example Trolls be gone! | |
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Are you suggesting that white artists have been ripped off by black artists, including the Jackson 5???? Trolls be gone! | |
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I never understand why people put down one performer to prop up another one. It's not that serious. It's music, it's all good. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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Bruno Mars trying to dance: > > Justin Timberlake trying to dance >
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I always thought that the twist in the case of the Justified album and its marketing was that, where an artist apeing another artist's style isn't necessarily anything new, here the fact that he was closely referencing Michael Jackson was kind of an overt part of the whole thing. It was like we were being invited to make that link right from the get-go, rather than it being more hidden or denied. Hence, not only were some of the sung vocals on that lead single made to sound incredibly like MJ, there was even this spoken bit with these very Jackson-like recollections about "when I was a little boy", etc. "Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin | |
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it's all subjective. Personally i don't think Bruno could keep up with ant dance choreography JT does and what i meant was you see all those acts including Bruno Mars trying to pull off MJ's style and to be" the next MJ" but JT is doing a better job at it. [Edited 5/16/14 8:22am] | |
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That clip of Bruno Mars is the same routine he did at the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl version was way better. He really outdid himself.
Okay folks, let's stay on topic. This is about Justin T and Michael, lol By the way, this clip of JT isn't very flattering when it comes to his dance skills. He was awful!
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I didn't say any performer ripped off anyone else, because I don't believe that. Anyway, what does "ripping off" someone has to do with taking pictures with "poor Black children" or "running away to the suburbs"? Doesn't Madonna & Angelina Jolie get jokes made about that? Most performers have been ripped off by the record companies, no matter what their ethnicity is. All that "Elvis ripped off black music" talk is bigoted and bitter. People don't say Black artists ripped off European music by using strings and orchestras in their music. They don't talk about Quincy Jones studying under Nadia Boulanger or Sam Cooke recording showtunes & standards and trying to get into the Copa, or that Marvin Gaye wanted to sing and record songs like Frank Sinatra, and wasn't always that enthused about the material Motown had him record. John Coltrane has a popular version of My Favorite Things from The Sound Of Music. They don't mention Michael getting dance moves from Fred Astaire & Bob Fosse. They don't mention all of those Black jazz performers recording Bossa Nova records in the 1960s. It's always the white man stole black music. There's no stealing, if someone enjoys a certain style and wants to do it. . If you look at King Records, there were black & white musicians playing on both country and R&B records and they had a black man (Henry Glover) writing and producing some of the country songs on the label. The records Aretha Franklin is most famous for had a white band (Muscle Shoals) playing on them and had non-black producers (Jerry Wexler & Arif Mardin). Some late 1970s and early 1980's R&B records also had white session musicians like Jay Graydon, generally called "Westcoast". Got To Be Real by Cheryl Lynn had Toto members writing and playing on it. Miles Davis was produced by Teo Macero. The Apollo Theater was ran by Frank Schiffman and he usually picked the acts who appeared there. Some of the classic R&B/soul/jazz records had white people behind it. So the term "stealing" makes no sense to me, when there was interaction between black & white performers from the get go, even in vaudville. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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Are you serious about that Elvis comment? He didn't rip off black singers? Wow..... Trolls be gone! | |
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Justin Timberlake is hanging on tight to MJ's dick. Why is it that so so many times him and JT are mentioned in some type of way? It's like slowly we're being conditioned to associate MJ and JT together. I can't even watch that new MJ video, because Justin's greasy pie face is all up in it. I would have been so satisfied with a video of clips, like the Who Is It video. I'm sick of JT. PLEASE go the fuck somewhere already. God damn. Where the hell is Usher at? I thought he would have been all up in this. I can take that at least. I mean, it's cool to want to be like MJ and adore him and all that, we've all been there, but Justin is just MJ's dick rider. That's all I see him as. Why can't he try to be Elvis or some shit? Rant Over. | |
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Oh that's the funniest thing I've seen all day. | |
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If Elvis "ripped off" Black singers, then Michael Jackson also "ripped off" Black singers and many early R&B & soul singers "ripped off" gospel music. Why is one a "rip off" and another is "influenced"? Elvis style did not only come from black singers, and even so that does not mean he ripped it off. Basically, you're saying white singers are only supposed to sing "white music", black singers are supposed to sing "black music", Mexican singers are supposed to do "Mexican music", and so on. Elvis was not the only white singer of the time who sang R&B, why did they not become really famous? Since this was the 1950's, why didn't he do music that was already popular with the mainstream white audience like crooner pop or dress like them. Look at the pop charts then. There was no guarantee Elvis was going to get pop airplay. It wasn't the pop stations that played Elvis in the beginning. They played singers like Pat Boone, who remade R&B hits, but not in a R&B style, it was more like the crooner pop that was popular with parents. Elvis was on a small label Sun, and he was played on R&B stations, which in general did not have a 24 hour stations like Top 40 and were often low wattage. If Elvis "ripped off" black music, then what is this?
You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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I agree with you. But, did you see Usher on the iHeartRadio awards? He did a brief tribute to MJ that was just dancing and no singing. I think you're right, JT is being marketed as if he's the new MJ. Basically, JT likes to being a copy cat but never seems to be very genuine about black people unless they are giving him beats of course. Trolls be gone! | |
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It seems that speaking plain English about this opinion is going over your head. Thanks anyway but I'm not going to engage in your dismissal of historical facts. This thread ia about MJ and Justin Timberlake, so I welcome you to 2014 thanks. [Edited 5/15/14 15:35pm] Trolls be gone! | |
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What is the difference in what Elvis was doing and what Marian Anderson was doing? She started long before Elvis started recording, and a Black opera singer was not a marketable thing at that time. So she couldn't have done it for that reason, it must be because that's the music she enjoyed. R&B/blues was still mainly popular with the Black audiences when Elvis debuted, so it's basically the flip of Marian. So if Elvis grew up going to Black churches and clubs and enjoyed it, why wouldn't he perform it? You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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This question wasn't intended to talk about "wanting" Michael's career. It is strictly about the notion that JT has no problem trying to use black music to elevate himself. He's not threating to middle America and thus is seen as being more marketable.
I just don't understand why some people cannot see the racial dynamic in this situation as well. Trolls be gone! | |
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So is your sarcasm relaying the notion that there's no such thing as a black sound? Trolls be gone! | |
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He happens to be influenced by black artists because he's an rnb pop artist. There ain't many white artists in this genre to be influenced by
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Well, if that's all it is, then Justin could perform pop country like Taylor Swift or Rascal Flatts, or music like Michael Buble, Susan Boyle, & Josh Groban, which is generally more acceptable to middle America than R&B. He could also do standards albums like Rod Stewart. Didn't Darius Rucker, Bon Jovi, & Lionel Richie go after the country market in recent years? You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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