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Hall and Oates: The Other Philly Soul

For Daryl Hall and John Oates, it was a long road from Broad Street to the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, where another native Philly stalwart, The Roots’ Ahmir “Questlove” Thompson, inducted the soul/pop twosome into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame six weeks ago. Sporting a dark suit and t-shirt bearing the Hall and Oates name, the bespectacled Roots drummer stood in front of a vintage black-and-white photo of the celebrated artists, playfully recounting his Philly-boy memories of them: hearing their songs on the radio in the 1980s, how the opening of “She’s Gone” frightened him when he was four, ridiculing the duo’s oft-mocked cover picture on its eponymous “silver album.” (“Those two guys made good looking women.”) Quest reminded the 19,000-plus crowd that in becoming a best-selling musical duo, “Hall and Oates stayed true to their soul roots.”

Minutes later, the rock-star dapper duo sauntered onstage together to heavy applause and a standing ovation, happily, proudly accepting their honor from what Quest referred to in jest as “the Hall and Oates of Fame”—an especially wry quip, given their decades-long snub by Rock Hall hierarchy. Although they’ve been eligible for entry since 1997, it’s no secret that, despite their global success, gaining the acceptance of its voting committee was a struggle for Hall and Oates.
Indeed, since the beginning of their long careers, critics have bashed these Philly fellas for being too soft, too pop and not serious enough to be considered contenders in the exclusive club of rock/pop gods. Back in the day, while mining the same soul influences that would garner their Brit contemporaries David Bowie, ABC, Soft Cell, Spandau Ballet and George Michael respectful critical recognition, Hall and Oates didn’t get the same kind of positive reception from the pop press corps.

Citing their wacky-slick 1980s videos and supposed lack of edge and irony, critic Rob Horning spoke for a legion of rock purists when he wrote on PopMatters.com that Hall and Oates “are tainted with too close an association with the decade’s zeitgeist, making it nearly impossible to hear anything but nostalgia or camp humor in them.” While Rolling Stone, the main sponsors behind the RRHOF, admired some of Hall and Oates’ earlier works, their more groove-beat based sound, which began with the 1980 LP Voices, got them labeled pop-rock posers. A 1985 piece in the magazine was jokingly titled Hall and Oates: The Self-Righteous Brothers.

Yet, while the critical canon gatekeepers kept their noses in the air and them at a distance, Hall and Oates was being embraced by a black audience that didn’t see them as pop posers or culture vultures. Urban music aficionados admired the pair’s obvious reverence for traditional soul, expressed so skillfully in their distinctly infectious songs, and that sentiment stuck. From the group Tavares covering “She’s Gone” when it was still just an undiscovered LP cut to the R&B station instrumental in breaking their first big hit, Hall and Oates found discerning black listeners early, then consistently proved themselves to be the quintessential blue-eyed soulsters who, as Questlove noted, “stayed true to their roots,” even if it meant being dissed by rockhead detractors who didn’t care to understand the significance of their varied musical styles.
Haters—then and now—be damned: Their special hybrid of Hall’s gospel and soul background with Oates’ bluegrass and mountain music has made them world renowned ambassadors of the Philly sound.

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Reply #1 posted 05/21/14 9:36pm

nursev

I cant go for that music
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Reply #2 posted 05/22/14 7:08am

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nursev said:

I cant go for that music

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Reply #3 posted 05/22/14 7:16am

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They're one of the best things to come out of the 70-80's musically in any genre. Much deserved their induction.

Change it one more time..
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Reply #4 posted 06/16/14 1:59pm

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00:00 Can't Stop The Music (He Played It Much Too Long)

02:43 Is It A Star

07:24 Beanie G. And The Rose Tattoo

10:22 You're Much Too Soon

14:25 70's Scenario

18:17 War Baby Son Of Zorro

22:22 I'm Watching You (A Mutant Romance)

26:44 Better Watch Your Back

30:55 Screaming Through December

37:22 Johnny Gore And The "C" Eaters

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #5 posted 06/16/14 7:33pm

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Daryl Hall and John Oates on 50 years of friendship

The duo met half a century ago escaping from a gang fight. They still feel like brothers, their love of music undiminished

The Observer, Saturday 14 June 2014

We were teenagers in different bands waiting backstage to perform at a record hop – a teenage dance put on by disc jockeys. It was held in a bad neighbourhood in Philadelphia and a gang fight broke out in the crowd. Daryl and I both jumped into a freight elevator and went downstairs to leave and that's the first time we met. Neither of us performed that night.

Years later I moved in with Daryl. I had sublet my apartment to his sister and her boyfriend while I busked around Europe for four months. They didn't pay the rent and when I returned the apartment was padlocked and all my stuff was gone. I had nowhere to go. Daryl took pity on me and invited me to move in with him.

The early 70s was an amazing time to be in Philadelphia. We were living in this hippy ghetto with a lot of crazy freaks and cool people. All we did was walk around the city and play music in art galleries and coffee shops. Little by little we began to gel and write songs.

We first played London in 1975. I was 24. We didn't know it, but we had been discovered by the hip London underground. We'd just flown in and I wasn't used to the jetlag – in between songs I was turning my back to the audience and slapping myself in the face. We have the audio from that night – when I hear the band playing with that youthful energy I think: "Wow! Who are these kids with this fire?"

Daryl and I are more like brothers than actual friends. We're very different as people, but we have this incredibly strong musical bond. He is creatively unsatisfied and that drives him forward. He's very smart, and, in my opinion, has one of the greatest popular voices of all time.

Daryl Hall, 67, lead vocalist

People think John and I live in the same house and spend all our time together. It couldn't be further from the truth. When we are off stage he does what he does and I do it my way. We do spend a lot of time on planes together, though. We have a very familial relationship. We are more like brothers.

As Hall & Oates, we did a lot of things for the first time together and that was fun, like the first time we toured outside of Philadelphia.

We met 50 years ago promoting our own records – my band was called the Temptones and John was in the Masters. We were at Temple University, became friends and shared apartments, but it wasn't until later that we started making music together.

Usually when we write together John comes to me with an idea and wants me to work on it. For example, with "She's Gone", he wrote the chorus and I wrote the verses. If I have an idea, I'll work on it myself. We wrote more music together when we were young. Now we generally work separately.

The region that we both come from is what makes our music unique. John brought a lot of southern influences from his connections to country and bluegrass music. I have a background in gospel, church music and R&B. The combination of all of this is what makes our music what it is.

We get along just fine. We weren't – and aren't – very much alike: we have different interests. But the differences aren't important, what's important is what we share, – and that's music.

Hall & Oates play Latitude festival on Saturday 19 July (latitudefestival.com)

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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She's Gone and Sara Smile heart

One of my favorite bands.




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Reply #7 posted 06/21/14 11:14am

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Inside the Music: ‘Live From Daryl’s House’

Daryl Hall's show revives and refreshes music traditions, avoiding the pop idol and the autotune.

“I saw it back in the day that the Internet was essentially a clown show and a disseminator of bullshit, but at the same time it’s a great source for important information,” Daryl Hall, of Hall and Oates, said when I asked him to take me back to the moment when he first envisioned Live From Daryl’s House—a show that began on the Internet, but is now also broadcast on Palladia.

“What the Internet wasn’t, and still isn’t, for the most part,” Hall continued, “is a source of traditional entertainment in a truth-telling way—in a way that is, somehow, more real than what you get on network television.”

Hall’s creation—Live From Daryl’s House—was and remains his way of filling in the gap by giving viewers honest and traditional entertainment, while taking advantage of the independence that the internet allows.

The gatekeepers of culture are guilty of ‘underestimating the public.’

It is an immensely successful show in which Hall invites a different musical guest over to his home each month for a concert and conversation. Hall, his band, and each guest blaze through a set of Hall and Oates hits and deep cuts, songs belonging to the guest, and covers of R&B classics. Guests have ranged from legends like Smokey Robinson and Billy Gibbons to rising stars like Amos Lee and Allen Stone. The show captures musicians of tremendous talent at ease and comfort doing what they do best.

It also allows for an exhibition of Hall’s musical ability and personality. The recent Rock ‘n’ Roll Hall of Fame inductee might have acquired fame among casual music fans for 1980s hits like “I Can’t Go For That” and “You Make My Dreams Come True”, but viewers of Live From Daryl’s House know that he is one of the most soulful and powerful singers on the planet. Hall’s emotive singing, whether it is up or down tempo, transforms any lyric into a promise of honesty and urgency—understandable and palpable among anyone who has felt the wide range of emotions that soul music so effectively captures.

Church Music With Secular Lyrics

“Passion,” Hall explains, “comes with the territory if you’re a soul singer. Soul is not a style. It’s life. A lot of people—especially British singers right now—think they are soul singers when all they’re doing is copying a style. You have to breathe it and live it. It is gospel, really. It comes from the church. It just has secular lyrics.”

Hall’s description of the sacred and libidinal roots of soul music echoes the famous Ray Charles school of thought, who explained that the only difference between gospel music and soul music is that in one genre the singer proclaims love for God, and in the other, the singer proclaims love for another human being. “Ray Charles is 100 percent right,” Hall said, “and he got a lot of flak for it from church people who thought he was singing the devil’s music.”

‘If you’re just constantly trying to move in a straight line, while dumping everything that happened already, you’re losing.’

The culture was not yet prepared for Ray Charles’ transformation of music, and similarly but on a smaller scale, television media was not ready for Live From Daryl’s House. “I got a very cold reception from all the networks I pitched,” Hall said. “One told me the show was too smart for TV, and another wanted to turn it into a contest like American Idol. They said, ‘the show has to have an ending.’ It’s moron thinking. So, the show could have only started on the Internet, in its truth-telling, honest way, and Palladia was the first to say, ‘We like the show just how it is. Don’t change a thing. It’s been very successful for them and me.”

The freedom of the Internet allowed Hall the creative control necessary to make the show not only possible, but popular. It is an antidote to frivolity of much of what passes for cyber culture—silly social media updates, vapid viral videos, and the meme and remix fixation that Greg Labash in The Weekly Standard called “a mirror of a Xerox of a parrot inside an echo chamber.”

In the creation and continual development of Live From Daryl’s House, Hall has shown how in the age of rapid digitalization, a smart and savvy cultural practitioner and consumer can oversee and enjoy the best of both worlds. Hall has taken what is most useful and beneficial in new technology to emphasize and spotlight the old practice of live music. His project is akin to importing the engine of a Tesla into a Studebaker.

Away From Autotuned One-Hit Wonders

Hall and his guest never rehearse before filming a show. “Every episode is a blind date,” Hall often says in explaining the chemistry and the risk inherent to each taping. There is not only an idiosyncratic, but improvisational quality to program. In an era of overly scripted, managed, and pre-packaged delivery of artifice, it is enlivening to have an opportunity to discover a stunning new musical moment not only for the first time as a listener, but in synchronicity with the artists who create it. One such instant of unplanned beauty transpired when Smokey Robinson appeared on the program. He finished singing Hall’s number one hit, “Sara Smile,” and without warning or rehearsal, Hall immediately launched into Smokey’s own classic, “Ooh Baby Baby.” The seamless transition demonstrated Smokey’s influence on Hall, but as evident by the smile of surprise on Smokey’s face, revealed the reach of human creativity when it is let loose from the leash of meticulous production and narrow thinking.

Given that Live From Daryl’s House most often features Hall collaborating with much younger musicians, it is also an alternative to the inescapable prison of computer-generated, autotuned noise that Americans are sentenced to whenever they turn on the television, shop in a high-end clothing store, or walk into a nightclub.

“Music has separated into two streams, and one stream is the continuation of the old pop world—raise them up, chart them up, knock them down, next. It’s all program directors, gatekeepers, only not good. It’s a cheesier version of the old way,” Hall explains, before identifying the other stream, “Then there’s the guests I have on my show, and they are part of the stream of live music. They subscribe to the idea that music no longer needs gatekeepers. It is about gathering a tribe, and allowing your live music to support you. Well, in order to do that, you have to be able to play well live.”

The New Gatekeepers: A Live Audience

Hall is optimistic about the future of music even if much of what passes for the Grammy Awards resembles one long boring and gaudy funeral for creativity and authenticity in the mainstream. “It’s not like it was in the ‘70s and ‘80s. Very few people are going to conquer the world after scoring one hit song or one hit album even, but the alternative is that very talented people can have a niche, make the music they believe in without so much direction, and earn a living.”

“The less gatekeepers involved, the better it is for music. You have to remember, there is no ‘music business’. There’s music organized crime. Historically, it was dependent on exploitation of people. What’s honest is people coming together, playing and enjoying music. So, that’s why I’m staying in the live world,” Hall said, then continued, “You could do it both ways when I was coming up. I don’t need to do it the old way anymore. I’ve already done that.”

A network executive ‘told me the show was too smart for TV.’

Live From Daryl’s House, according to Hall’s account, is not only a musical enterprise, but a communal network. The “tribe” that Hall gathers and features on his monthly program is one of impassioned, soulful, and original musicians committed to creating in a culture conditioned on conforming.

“I’ve always looked for an alternative,” Hall said, “I’ve always searched for a way to execute my own vision or version.” With Live From Daryl’s House, Hall is not only presenting an alternative vision for the future of music culture, but also emerging as an alternative to the standard operating procedure of baby boomer rock and pop stardom—a process similar to fossilization. Rarely do rock or pop legends collaborate so generously with young talent, and rarely do they take advantage of new technologies.

“A lot of successful artists from my generation, because of journalism more than anything, had the wind in their sails. From their first album they could do no wrong,” Hall said, before continuing: “It is almost impossible if you’re one of those people to not believe your own press and hype, and believe in your own fallibility. So, they’ve become afraid to try anything new, because they believe they can just keep repeating the old successes, and they are afraid to let some new kid in there with them, because he might look or sound better than they do.”

Sticking It To The Music Establishment

The spirit of Hall’s criticism of the television network establishment continued in his criticism of the rock ‘n’ roll critical establishment. “Look at any cover of Rolling Stone. What are you going to read? ‘U2 rocks again’, ‘Bruce Springsteen rocks the house.’ It’s always the same fucking thing. I can’t even stand to look at the cover of Rolling Stone. Then once in awhile they’ll decide to throw a bone to some new band. But, it’s all so fucking lame. The worst part of it is that they are putting up creative road blocks.”

Hall’s latest enshrinement into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame by the crowd he criticized hasn’t softened or mellowed his rejection of their stagnation and their onanistic love of self-congratulation. When I referenced the recent ceremony, he laughed and said, “I don’t know what it is about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but people just ramble on and on forever about themselves. It was repulsive.”

‘Music no longer needs gatekeepers. It is about gathering a tribe, and allowing your live music to support you.’

Hall’s candor is as upfront as his singing, and when he sets television networks, rock journalists, or older musicians in his crosshairs, he’s not only firing with the accuracy of military sniper, but he is consistently aiming at an elite dedicated, in Hall’s view, to keeping American culture stale, derivative, and boring.

“I’m not blowing my own horn because I think I’m god on earth,” Hall said, “but, at least, I’m doing something that is real and honest, and I’m not following the predictable patterns and formulas. People have really responded to Live From Daryl’s House. They’re addicted to it.”

The success of Live From Daryl’s House, according to the show’s creator and host, indicts the elite keepers of culture as guilty of “underestimating the public.” “The American people are much more discerning and much more interesting in good material than they are given credit for,” Hall said with optimism.

Reviving And Refreshing Old Traditions

The topic of politics did not enter into my conversation with the rock and soul legend, but his anger directed toward a self-involved, shortsighted, and simpleminded elite, in favor of a populist, homegrown, organic movement of creativity, seemed relevant to a nation whose politics is paralyzed by a coalescence of big government and big business blocs of special interest committed to muting the voices of everyday people.

“If you resist new ideas, because you’re afraid you aren’t going to do as well, you’ll end up not doing as well. You’ll end up being less creative, less interesting than you could have been,” Hall said.

Rarely do rock or pop legends collaborate so generously with young talent, and rarely do they take advantage of new technologies.

His idea of progress, however, is not a reckless demolition of tradition. It is a sensible notion of progress that, if implemented, could resuscitate not only American music, but the country’s suffocated culture:

“The whole idea of progress is not a straight line forward. Progress is change. As we change as a society, the best way to progress is by taking the best things from the past, holding on to them, and using them in the present, along with new experiences and new things. If you’re just constantly trying to move in a straight line, while dumping everything that happened already, you’re losing. You have loser ideas.”

Much of American culture seems intent on attempting to myopically move forward in a straight line. Live From Daryl’s House, in that context, becomes not only an opportunity for entertainment, but an opportunity for instruction in cultural studies. It is impossible to imagine a classroom more fun.

David Masciotra (www.davidmasciotra.com) is a columnist with the Indianapolis Star.

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #8 posted 06/21/14 12:59pm

duccichucka

I don't know how it became fashionable to hate on Hall & Oates a few years ago, but these dudes

wrote a gang of great songs. "I Can't Go For That (No Can Do)" is one of the dopest cuts of all

time, imo.

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Reply #9 posted 06/21/14 3:21pm

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Congrats to them! I think the reason they were given a hard time by some in the mainstream (re: white) media is that their sound was black but they weren't knockoffs like Pat Boone, Justin Timberlake, etc. That's the reason why blacks loved their music is because they just let the music speak for itself without trying to copy anyone else. I've heard blacks who grew up in that era who were shocked back in the 70s to learn that the band was white. The media wanted to paint this duo as "pop" but, in my opinion, they played soul for the longest time. They have a few "pop sounding" songs that ended up on MTV and whatnot but that doesn't take away from their authenticity at all.

They were never and will never be culture vultures at all. Genuine soul.

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