Unrelated to this case, is it the Gaye family or the Gay family? Because isn't their last name actually Gay (only Marvin added the "e")?
The father's name was spelled 'Gay', but Marvin isn't the only one who added an 'e'. I think they legally changed the spelling. Just like Sam Cooke's siblings also added an 'e' to their name 'Cook' after Sam did so.
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I find this quote pretty damaging: "During an interview with GQ magazine in May about his career and the making of “Blurred Lines,” Thicke said, “one of my favorite songs of all time was Marvin Gaye’s ‘Got to Give It Up.’ I was like, ‘Damn, we should make something like that, something with that groove.’ Then he started playing a little something and we literally wrote the song in about a half hour and recorded it. The whole thing was done in a couple hours.”
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At one point does interpolation becomes a violation? What's the measuring stick? Anybody familiar with past legal precedent in this regards?
Yeah, and that's another thing that gets me. The lawsuit says there are "no similarities" between the two, but then you have this quote. So, Thicke meant he wanted to make something like that but that has no similarities? If I didn't know any better, I'd think he just started learning English this month.
There's no interpolation going on as in a quote from "Got To Give It Up". You can't copyright a vibe or style. No musicologist would find in the Gaye family's favor.
Yeah, and that's another thing that gets me. The lawsuit says there are "no similarities" between the two, but then you have this quote. So, Thicke meant he wanted to make something like that but that has no similarities? If I didn't know any better, I'd think he just started learning English this month.
Y'anno???
Between his statements about the song and the fact that he offered a six figure settlement to the family means his own words and actions could end up working against him.
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Between his statements about the song and the fact that he offered a six figure settlement to the family means his own words and actions could end up working against him.
Between his statements about the song and the fact that he offered a six figure settlement to the family means his own words and actions could end up working against him.
exactly because he knew he pulled a hijack.....
Don't laugh at my funk
This funk is a serious joint
This corny goofball with a cartoon haircut doing musical blackface can piss off.
This vapid piece of xeroxed b.s. can't compare to the original and the ONLY reason that it is as popular as it is weighs on the fact that Pharrell made his best effort in copying a song that already had universal mass appeal in its construction, as did many of Marvin's songs. He may have his day now but this whole fiasco will backfire on him. The same people you see on the way up; you see on the way down. People will wait you out until your day is over and when you mess up, everyone pounces at once. His day is coming. Arrogant bastard.
Author of Divided Soul: Life and Times of Marvin Gaye, David Ritz (also author of Ray Charles, Aretha Franklin, Janet Jackson, biographies and more) Weighs in on Robin Thicke and it ain't pretty, http://www.rollingstone.c...e-20130823
Author of Divided Soul: Life and Times of Marvin Gaye, David Ritz (also author of Ray Charles, Aretha Franklin, Janet Jackson, biographies and more) Weighs in on Robin Thicke and it ain't pretty, http://www.rollingstone.c...e-20130823
Thanks for posting.
I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart.
Regardless of what any of us thinks, the general public does not care. Have any of you seen any mass backlash against Robin?
What he has done is "hurt" his core fanbase, those of us who have been around since When I Get You Alone and the leak of the first album. We are the ones who'll be left after his popularity dies down. I have a totally different prespective on Robin now.
Did Robin give credit to Marvin Gaye for his "Love After War" and another song that samples or interpolates from Marvin's "Trouble Man" in his album credits?
I looked it up for you: "Million Dolla Baby" does credit Marvin because it actually uses music from "Trouble Man." I'm not sure what you're claiming "Love After War" uses; you didn't specify.
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Thanks for looking that up! I thought it would've been hard to deny that one due to it sounds like the same music was used. But to answer your question, "Love After War" is "heavily inspired" at least by Marvin's "After The Dance" from the "I Want You" album. I thought it was obvious enough not to have to mention the song. My bad.
Yeah, and that's another thing that gets me. The lawsuit says there are "no similarities" between the two, but then you have this quote. So, Thicke meant he wanted to make something like that but that has no similarities? If I didn't know any better, I'd think he just started learning English this month.
Well, the suit claims there are "no similarities" between the songs "other than commonplace music elements."
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That's goes back to my question I posed Friday. How much is too much? What legal precedent is in place to help determine when there's a little too much "commonplace music elements" or coincidence? I think a lot of artists (not Robin per say) get by with replaying the same music but not sampling the original track as a way of avoiding the infringement claims.
Yeah, and that's another thing that gets me. The lawsuit says there are "no similarities" between the two, but then you have this quote. So, Thicke meant he wanted to make something like that but that has no similarities? If I didn't know any better, I'd think he just started learning English this month.
Well, the suit claims there are "no similarities" between the songs "other than commonplace music elements."
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That's goes back to my question I posed Friday. How much is too much? What legal precedent is in place to help determine when there's a little too much "commonplace music elements" or coincidence? I think a lot of artists (not Robin per say) get by with replaying the same music but not sampling the original track as a way of avoiding the infringement claims.
Those are good questions that you are raising.In today's music,I hear so many similarities to past songs.Lady Gaga's "Born This Way" borrows heavily from Madonna's "Express Yourself".Many think that was copyright infringement but there was no lawsuit at all.
Did Robin give credit to Marvin Gaye for his "Love After War" and another song that samples or interpolates from Marvin's "Trouble Man" in his album credits?
I looked it up for you: "Million Dolla Baby" does credit Marvin because it actually uses music from "Trouble Man." I'm not sure what you're claiming "Love After War" uses; you didn't specify.
Here's what I was referring to with Robin's "Love After War"....
theres no copywright claim here. the songs r indeed similar...but nithing infringes any copywrights. att he end of the story GTGIU will be the "first" and BL will remain an uninspired brag that will last half a season.
no oje is talking abiut how grewt robin is...everyone ine is talking about marvin. dont sweat it people...time will tell. ice ice baby has its place in the world...but queen holds the crown. this is similar.
I looked it up for you: "Million Dolla Baby" does credit Marvin because it actually uses music from "Trouble Man." I'm not sure what you're claiming "Love After War" uses; you didn't specify.
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Thanks for looking that up! I thought it would've been hard to deny that one due to it sounds like the same music was used. But to answer your question, "Love After War" is "heavily inspired" at least by Marvin's "After The Dance" from the "I Want You" album. I thought it was obvious enough not to have to mention the song. My bad.
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Believe me, I've heard "After the Dance" even more times than "Got to Give It Up" (and I Want You is my favorite album by Marvin). Sure, I can hear the inspiration of it in "Love After War" — again, one of the reason I've liked Thicke from the beginning is that Marvin is such an obvious inspiration — but it's even more dissimilar to "After the Dance" than "Blurred Lines" is to "Got to Give It Up."
FWIW, "Love After War" always makes me think a little of Blackstreet's "Joy" because of the little piano run.
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Well, the suit claims there are "no similarities" between the songs "other than commonplace music elements."
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That's goes back to my question I posed Friday. How much is too much? What legal precedent is in place to help determine when there's a little too much "commonplace music elements" or coincidence? I think a lot of artists (not Robin per say) get by with replaying the same music but not sampling the original track as a way of avoiding the infringement claims.
Replaying or recreating the same music would also be infringement. Bernard Edwards and Nile Rodgers are now credited as co-writers of "Rapper's Delight" because of this. OTOH, rhythms aren't able to be copyrighted; that's why Bo Diddley doesn't get credit every time someone uses the Bo Diddley beat. The fact that the two basslines in these songs are similar in function but not form (unlike, say, "Under Pressure" and "Ice Ice Baby") should be more than enough to deny any infringement claims.
"Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis
Regardless of what any of us thinks, the general public does not care. Have any of you seen any mass backlash against Robin?
What he has done is "hurt" his core fanbase, those of us who have been around since When I Get You Alone and the leak of the first album. We are the ones who'll be left after his popularity dies down. I have a totally different prespective on Robin now.
That's goes back to my question I posed Friday. How much is too much? What legal precedent is in place to help determine when there's a little too much "commonplace music elements" or coincidence? I think a lot of artists (not Robin per say) get by with replaying the same music but not sampling the original track as a way of avoiding the infringement claims.
Replaying or recreating the same music would also be infringement. Bernard Edwards and Nile Rodgers are now credited as co-writers of "Rapper's Delight" because of this. OTOH, rhythms aren't able to be copyrighted; that's why Bo Diddley doesn't get credit every time someone uses the Bo Diddley beat. The fact that the two basslines in these songs are similar in function but not form (unlike, say, "Under Pressure" and "Ice Ice Baby") should be more than enough to deny any infringement claims.
As I sit back and read these comments I can't help but think that, it has more to do with Robin the artist than it does the song. The form of the songs are different, (Marvin used a 16 bar form, (using 5 different chords) that repeats. Robin used an 8 bar form, using only 2 chords that repeat. Okay, sure the drum beats are similar, but I bet you, all of us in this group can name countless songs, from different genres that have the same pattern. All Robin did was write a song in the style of Marvin Gaye, that in and of itself, is no crime. Which why I goe back to my original point of it being more about Robin as an artist, than it does the song.
"Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth"
As I sit back and read these comments I can't help but think that, it has more to do with Robin the artist than it does the song. The form of the songs are different, (Marvin used a 16 bar form, (using 5 different chords) that repeats. Robin used an 8 bar form, using only 2 chords that repeat. Okay, sure the drum beats are similar, but I bet you, all of us in this group can name countless songs, from different genres that have the same pattern. All Robin did was write a song in the style of Marvin Gaye, that in and of itself, is no crime. Which why I goe back to my original point of it being more about Robin as an artist, than it does the song.
If that's actually the case, then why'd he offer a six figure settlement to the Gaye family, that they turned down, in the first place?
I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart.
As I sit back and read these comments I can't help but think that, it has more to do with Robin the artist than it does the song. The form of the songs are different, (Marvin used a 16 bar form, (using 5 different chords) that repeats. Robin used an 8 bar form, using only 2 chords that repeat. Okay, sure the drum beats are similar, but I bet you, all of us in this group can name countless songs, from different genres that have the same pattern. All Robin did was write a song in the style of Marvin Gaye, that in and of itself, is no crime. Which why I goe back to my original point of it being more about Robin as an artist, than it does the song.
If that's actually the case, then why'd he offer a six figure settlement to the Gaye family, that they turned down, in the first place?
Two reasons. The first is out of respect, for Marvin and his legacy. The second, is to avoid the hassle of going to court in the first place. Your question to my response,just proves my point even further. It's a personal thing against Robin. It's as if people are saying, "How DARE this man mess with Marvin's music". Yet, if someone with a darker complexion were to do it, most of you would find every justification in the world, why it would be okay....
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