RodeoSchro said:

lazycrockett said:

^ Swift is a cunt.

But I understand that cunts are not something with which you are familiar, so there's that.

You dont have to be familiar with one to not be able to smell the rot.

mjscarousal said:

Oh this came on???

You guys still watch this?

Im glad Janelle won! Does anybody know if she came or not?

As much as I dislike overrated white hope JT, I must admit that it was "refreshing" to hear him say he didnt deserve the award (.

Its funny to me how these today pop singers "think". If you know you technically dont deserve an award why would you even accept it?

I guess winning shiny statues means more than actually putting in creative work for these stars today but what they fail to understand is if there is no substance, creativity or innovation to speak for it then its just a statue taking up space. In other words winning alot of awards doesnt mean nothing if you dont have the music or work to speak for it. I dont care how many awards you win or how prestigious they are. It has no meaning if you dont have the material to support it.

Jimmy Fallon was up there calling him a legend and the president of pop....he needs to take his head out of JTs ass or stop smoking

All JT did was laugh and look down because he knows that is a bold face lie

Based on the photos, I see its the same ol garbage from trashy MTV. Dont see why you guys make a thread on the shit every year, its the same buffoonery. I like Robin but I do not like what he is turning into. He is really watering himself down

Janelle won Best Art Directon for Q.U.E.E.N... She didn't make it to the show unfortunately..

Bruno won best choreography & best male video What do you think of his performance?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x13pbyo_06-mars_music?search_algo=2

SoulAlive said:

I am no fan of the VMAs and I didn't even watch it last night (I was watching a pre-season football game ),but I did see the Miley Cyrus/Robin Thicke performance on Youtube today and here are my thoughts.In no way I am *defending* all the craziness,but let's put in perspective....

I could be wrong,but aren't the VMAs designed to be sorta like an outrageous 'parody' of the other awards shows? It's supposed to be all about shock value and controversy,right? I really think that's what they're trying to do.

Remember,this is the same show that featured Madonna rolling around on the floor in a wedding dress,back in 1984

This is the same show where Prince wore ass-less pants and simulated an orgy on stage

This is the same show where Kanye West interrupted a Taylor Swift acceptance speech

I'm thinking that the producers of this show encourage all of this raunchiness and craziness...they probably told Miley to be as slutty,nasty and offensive as she could be! LOL

Honestly, I think it's a great joke on us. MTV hasn't shown a music video in what...a decade or so?

Heck, the joke is on the performers, if you think about it. They're promoting a network that does not play their videos!

lazycrockett said:

RodeoSchro said:

But I understand that cunts are not something with which you are familiar, so there's that.

You dont have to be familiar with one to not be able to smell the rot.

If you take the double negative out of your statement, you just said "You have to be familiar with one to be able to smell the rot". So aren't you actually agreeing with me?

Your use of the double negative reminds me of this great article I just read:

http://www.cracked.com/ar...story-rap/

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[Edited 8/26/13 14:42pm]

Shawy89 said:

mjscarousal said:

Oh this came on???

You guys still watch this?

Im glad Janelle won! Does anybody know if she came or not?

As much as I dislike overrated white hope JT, I must admit that it was "refreshing" to hear him say he didnt deserve the award (.

Its funny to me how these today pop singers "think". If you know you technically dont deserve an award why would you even accept it?

I guess winning shiny statues means more than actually putting in creative work for these stars today but what they fail to understand is if there is no substance, creativity or innovation to speak for it then its just a statue taking up space. In other words winning alot of awards doesnt mean nothing if you dont have the music or work to speak for it. I dont care how many awards you win or how prestigious they are. It has no meaning if you dont have the material to support it.

Jimmy Fallon was up there calling him a legend and the president of pop....he needs to take his head out of JTs ass or stop smoking

All JT did was laugh and look down because he knows that is a bold face lie

Based on the photos, I see its the same ol garbage from trashy MTV. Dont see why you guys make a thread on the shit every year, its the same buffoonery. I like Robin but I do not like what he is turning into. He is really watering himself down

Janelle won Best Art Directon for Q.U.E.E.N... She didn't make it to the show unfortunately..

Bruno won best choreography & best male video What do you think of his performance?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x13pbyo_06-mars_music?search_algo=2

He was great! He probably was the only singer there who actually sung live and used live instruments. I wish he could have showcased his drumming skills or maybe did more choregraphy but vocally he was good like he usually is.

RodeoSchro said:

SoulAlive said:

I am no fan of the VMAs and I didn't even watch it last night (I was watching a pre-season football game ),but I did see the Miley Cyrus/Robin Thicke performance on Youtube today and here are my thoughts.In no way I am *defending* all the craziness,but let's put in perspective....

I could be wrong,but aren't the VMAs designed to be sorta like an outrageous 'parody' of the other awards shows? It's supposed to be all about shock value and controversy,right? I really think that's what they're trying to do.

Remember,this is the same show that featured Madonna rolling around on the floor in a wedding dress,back in 1984

This is the same show where Prince wore ass-less pants and simulated an orgy on stage

This is the same show where Kanye West interrupted a Taylor Swift acceptance speech

I'm thinking that the producers of this show encourage all of this raunchiness and craziness...they probably told Miley to be as slutty,nasty and offensive as she could be! LOL

Honestly, I think it's a great joke on us. MTV hasn't shown a music video in what...a decade or so?

Heck, the joke is on the performers, if you think about it. They're promoting a network that does not play their videos!

I agree MTV doesn't even show music videos anymore.This award show seems like a big joke that they're playing on us.Many people aren't seeing the irony,though.

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NSYNC was the highlight of the night and that was less than 2 minutes. JT basically saying, "you asked for it but that's it... I'm too cool now." Love that JC got his vocal in at the end

VMAs used to be so fun but music is dire now. Teenyboppers run it, One Direction had 8 million votes for song of the summer before the VMA's even started, and Robin Thicke had only 35,000 votes. They need to stop letting the public vote now.

Need more rock bands. Who is this new white rapper? He's embarrasing, it's like some Jim Carey parody of what a white rapper would be like.

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Justin and the boys showed those amateurs One Direction how it's done--and in under 3 minutes, no less. Boom!

VMA's were never serious. but the level has been going down even more in the past few years. i watch it now because it's so bad, it makes me laugh at (almost) everyone. Miley Cyrus is a joke. that was just ridiculous. it looked so silly what she was doing.

Gaga wasn't good, performance was a mess. so is the song...

JT was amazing though, he did a GREAT performance. that was the best, it made it worth watching more.

Other performances i've seen.. i don't even know anymore, it (almost) all sucked ass. it was hilarious though. it's entertaining to see such bad performances, to laugh at.

Identity said:

Kanye performed in stark darkness.

Oh yeah. I really love Kanye his music, i liked the performance. but i think it's bit pathetic to some people though.

[Edited 8/26/13 16:58pm]

xLiberiangirl said:

Identity said:

Kanye performed in stark darkness.

Oh yeah. I really love Kanye his music, i liked the performance. but i think it's bit pathetic to some people though.

[Edited 8/26/13 16:58pm]

I love Kanye too but his performance was a bit too safe. I get it though, he's preoccupied at the moment with his new baby and that's great...but to be honest, I would have loved to see him lash out at someone instead of watching the skankiness of the other performances. Mylie looked (and acted) like she smelled like sardine juice.

DerekH said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Are there any rock bands that even perform at the video music awards anymore? is it all hip-pop and r&B?

The only rock band I saw there was 30 Secords To Mars, and they got the "best rock video" award before the show even started!

I was wanting to see some guitars, amps, and drums on the stage with people playing them, but it was mainly pop singers, rappers, and dancers this year. The only drummer I saw was playing behind Katy Perry's fake boxing ring!

Bruno Mars had his whole band there with instruments.

JoeBala said:

DerekH said:

The only rock band I saw there was 30 Secords To Mars, and they got the "best rock video" award before the show even started!

I was wanting to see some guitars, amps, and drums on the stage with people playing them, but it was mainly pop singers, rappers, and dancers this year. The only drummer I saw was playing behind Katy Perry's fake boxing ring!

Bruno Mars had his whole band there with instruments.

I missed it when Bruno was on, but I saw him on the Billboard awards with his band and they sounded good! I think Bruno and Prince were the only ones who played and/or sang live on that show.

As for the VMAs, they usually at least one rock band play, but not this year.

I found this on hitsdailydouble.com :

Just ahead of his big performance at this evening's MTV VMAs, Robin Thicke hit the red carpet with his wife, Paula Patton. Robin is set to sing "Blurred Lines," which has been taking the Summer by storm, topping the charts, and even inspiring a slew of video parodies. But the fun doesn't stop there! According to Us Weekly, Robin Thicke is set to have a special guest during the performance: Miley Cyrus will perform with Robin, and will reportedly be twerking and wearing a "provocative outfit."

Taylor Swift looked hot. Although, Taylor Swift has played the role of victim in her songs until, We are never ever getting back together -Where oddly she becomes the bully.

JT's performance was great. The best of the night.

I thought Lady GaGa performance was good (And I'm not a fan-but I'm not a hater either.).

Of course Miley was an attention whore-but instead of exciting people she turned herself into a train wreck. If you can't act like a sex kitten-don't play the part.

xLiberiangirl said:

VMA's were never serious. but the level has been going down even more in the past few years. i watch it now because it's so bad, it makes me laugh at (almost) everyone. Miley Cyrus is a joke. that was just ridiculous. it looked so silly what she was doing.

Gaga wasn't good, performance was a mess. so is the song...

JT was amazing though, he did a GREAT performance. that was the best, it made it worth watching more.

Other performances i've seen.. i don't even know anymore, it (almost) all sucked ass. it was hilarious though. it's entertaining to see such bad performances, to laugh at.

Miley's performance was a disgusting, cheap mess. That's the bottom line. She made a complete azz out of herself, for the sake of 'shock and awe'. Tasteless.

2elijah said:

xLiberiangirl said:

VMA's were never serious. but the level has been going down even more in the past few years. i watch it now because it's so bad, it makes me laugh at (almost) everyone. Miley Cyrus is a joke. that was just ridiculous. it looked so silly what she was doing.

Gaga wasn't good, performance was a mess. so is the song...

JT was amazing though, he did a GREAT performance. that was the best, it made it worth watching more.

Other performances i've seen.. i don't even know anymore, it (almost) all sucked ass. it was hilarious though. it's entertaining to see such bad performances, to laugh at.

Miley's performance was a disgusting, cheap mess. That's the bottom line. She made a complete azz out of herself, for the sake of 'shock and awe'. Tasteless.

2elijah said:

xLiberiangirl said:

VMA's were never serious. but the level has been going down even more in the past few years. i watch it now because it's so bad, it makes me laugh at (almost) everyone. Miley Cyrus is a joke. that was just ridiculous. it looked so silly what she was doing.

Gaga wasn't good, performance was a mess. so is the song...

JT was amazing though, he did a GREAT performance. that was the best, it made it worth watching more.

Other performances i've seen.. i don't even know anymore, it (almost) all sucked ass. it was hilarious though. it's entertaining to see such bad performances, to laugh at.

Miley's performance was a disgusting, cheap mess. That's the bottom line. She made a complete azz out of herself, for the sake of 'shock and awe'. Tasteless.

And there it is.

I doubt the whole thread will be moved to P&R so I wanted to post this perspective here...

If not, I guess the mods can delete it and move it there???

Something to think about...

Solidarity is For Miley C...erformance

http://groupthink.jezebel...1203666732

As a black woman, I feel like I owe a debt of gratitude to Mikki Kendall, of Solidarity Is For White Women fame for managing to so perfectly encapsulate years of subjugation of black women by white women. With those five words, she was able to instantly zero in on why Intersectional Feminism is so necessary if the feminist movement is to progress.

Because Miley's performance last night, and the subsequent ignoring of the racial implications of what she did is just the latest incident in the long line of things that shows me as a black woman, that white feminism does not want me, or care to have me.

Jezebel's piece on the performance chose to focus on the slut shaming that has been thrown Miley's way in the wake of the performance. All fine and good. Slut shaming is bad, don't do it. On that we can all agree. What it didn't acknowledge was the incredibly racist nature of that performance. So I brought it up.

Okay.... but can we talk about the problematic and racist nature of her performance? Her literal use of people as props? Her association of her newfound sexuality with the traditional codifiers of black female culture, thereby perpetuating the Jezebel stereotype that black women are lewd, lascivious and uncontrollably sexualized? Can we talk about the straight up minstrelsy of that performance? Can we talk about how not a single black person won an award last night even though the people who did win awards have been mining black music and culture for years?

No? Ok... I'll just sit at the back of the bus then. #solidarityisforwhitewomen

See the problem isn't that they talked about slut shaming. That deserves attention. The problem is that they completely sidestepped the other glaring teddy bear in the room, and that is the commodification of black female sexuality in Miley's performance. But it's not a thing that white women deal with, so it didn't warrant inclusion or discussion by the white-led mainstream feminist media.

So I'll include it here. What Miley did last night was easily one of the most racist displays I've ever seen. From her insistence on twerking, to her use of all black women as literal props (they were teddy bears) to her smacking of her dancer's ass and the simulation of rimming, it is very clear to me, that Miley thinks that black women's bodies are to be enjoyed, devalued and put on display for entertainment purposes.

Regarding the last transgression, fellow Jezzie Korra wrote a great post about why Miley's specific choice to manhandle her dancer was so problematic:

What IS my business is how you treat the people in your employ and the message that sends to black and brown women about their worth. About their "rank" in the bodily autonomy food-chain. About how they can expect to be exploited by even their supposed sisters-in-arms. You wanna be down with black folk? With black women? Start by treating us like human beings, not like fucking pokemon. Learn more about the history of the people you borrow from, so you can avoid that Sarah Baartman shit. And, for God's sake, keep your fucking hands to yourself.

Here's the thing: historically, black women have had very little agency over their bodies. From being raped by white slave masters to the ever-enduring stereotype that black women can't be raped, black women have been told over and over and over again, that their bodies are not their own. By bringing these "homegirls with the big butts" out onto the stage with her and engaging in a one-sided interaction with her ass, (not even her actual person!) Miley has contributed to that rhetoric. She made that woman's body a literal spectacle to be enjoyed by her legions of loyal fans. Not only was that the only way that Miley interacted with any of the other people onstage with her, but all of her backup dancers were "black women with big butts" as Violet_Baudelaire so astutely pointed out. So not only are black women's bodies being used as props, but they are also props that are only worthy of interaction if that interaction involves sexualization.

Now some people have said that Miley is only 20, and she's "just a child" and that she doesn't understand what she's doing. But Miley isn't new to this. Her video for the single wasn't even the first precursor to this madness. She has been quoted as saying that she explicitly wanted "a black sound" for her new album. She is more than aware of what she's doing, and has consciously made the choice to dabble in traditionally black aesthetics and sound in order to breakaway from her good girl image and further her career...

you can read the rest at the above link...

[img:$uid]http://i.imgur..../img:$uid]

Justin should have taken a cue from the Destinys Child reunion, NYSNC came off flat and boring to the max. The other guys didnt get to savor the moment like at the Superbowl with Kellly and Michelle

noimageatall said:

I doubt the whole thread will be moved to P&R so I wanted to post this perspective here...

If not, I guess the mods can delete it and move it there???

Something to think about...

Solidarity is For Miley C...erformance

http://groupthink.jezebel...1203666732

As a black woman, I feel like I owe a debt of gratitude to Mikki Kendall, of Solidarity Is For White Women fame for managing to so perfectly encapsulate years of subjugation of black women by white women. With those five words, she was able to instantly zero in on why Intersectional Feminism is so necessary if the feminist movement is to progress.

Because Miley's performance last night, and the subsequent ignoring of the racial implications of what she did is just the latest incident in the long line of things that shows me as a black woman, that white feminism does not want me, or care to have me.

Jezebel's piece on the performance chose to focus on the slut shaming that has been thrown Miley's way in the wake of the performance. All fine and good. Slut shaming is bad, don't do it. On that we can all agree. What it didn't acknowledge was the incredibly racist nature of that performance. So I brought it up.

Okay.... but can we talk about the problematic and racist nature of her performance? Her literal use of people as props? Her association of her newfound sexuality with the traditional codifiers of black female culture, thereby perpetuating the Jezebel stereotype that black women are lewd, lascivious and uncontrollably sexualized? Can we talk about the straight up minstrelsy of that performance? Can we talk about how not a single black person won an award last night even though the people who did win awards have been mining black music and culture for years?

No? Ok... I'll just sit at the back of the bus then. #solidarityisforwhitewomen

See the problem isn't that they talked about slut shaming. That deserves attention. The problem is that they completely sidestepped the other glaring teddy bear in the room, and that is the commodification of black female sexuality in Miley's performance. But it's not a thing that white women deal with, so it didn't warrant inclusion or discussion by the white-led mainstream feminist media.

So I'll include it here. What Miley did last night was easily one of the most racist displays I've ever seen. From her insistence on twerking, to her use of all black women as literal props (they were teddy bears) to her smacking of her dancer's ass and the simulation of rimming, it is very clear to me, that Miley thinks that black women's bodies are to be enjoyed, devalued and put on display for entertainment purposes.

Regarding the last transgression, fellow Jezzie Korra wrote a great post about why Miley's specific choice to manhandle her dancer was so problematic:

What IS my business is how you treat the people in your employ and the message that sends to black and brown women about their worth. About their "rank" in the bodily autonomy food-chain. About how they can expect to be exploited by even their supposed sisters-in-arms. You wanna be down with black folk? With black women? Start by treating us like human beings, not like fucking pokemon. Learn more about the history of the people you borrow from, so you can avoid that Sarah Baartman shit. And, for God's sake, keep your fucking hands to yourself.

Here's the thing: historically, black women have had very little agency over their bodies. From being raped by white slave masters to the ever-enduring stereotype that black women can't be raped, black women have been told over and over and over again, that their bodies are not their own. By bringing these "homegirls with the big butts" out onto the stage with her and engaging in a one-sided interaction with her ass, (not even her actual person!) Miley has contributed to that rhetoric. She made that woman's body a literal spectacle to be enjoyed by her legions of loyal fans. Not only was that the only way that Miley interacted with any of the other people onstage with her, but all of her backup dancers were "black women with big butts" as Violet_Baudelaire so astutely pointed out. So not only are black women's bodies being used as props, but they are also props that are only worthy of interaction if that interaction involves sexualization.

Now some people have said that Miley is only 20, and she's "just a child" and that she doesn't understand what she's doing. But Miley isn't new to this. Her video for the single wasn't even the first precursor to this madness. She has been quoted as saying that she explicitly wanted "a black sound" for her new album. She is more than aware of what she's doing, and has consciously made the choice to dabble in traditionally black aesthetics and sound in order to breakaway from her good girl image and further her career...

you can read the rest at the above link...

Is this the first time shes ever seen any sort of rap performance or video, cause black women have been used as props for a couple of decades in the videos Ive seen. I get the arguement being made but laying this at the feet of Miley ridiculous.

[Edited 8/28/13 21:08pm]

Lego Version of Miley and Robin Thicke @ VMAs.

Shawy89 said: