[Edited 6/16/13 19:38pm]

so will soundscan seriously count these sales? this is worse then artists including album sales in heir concert tickets.so in other words jayz got a 5 million dollar endoresment deal with samsung,instead of just giving him a check they bought 1 million albums at 5 bucks a pop and will get their money back giving free albums away to samsung customers,while jayz gets credit for selling a million albums before its even released.

I will pretend like Jay is not coping Kanyes marketing

Calling your album the Holy Grail is an almost certain way to disappoint people with the actual product.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Calling your album the Holy Grail is an almost certain way to disappoint people with the actual product.

Original title was probably Holy Shiit................and they thought better of it.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

NDRU said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Calling your album the Holy Grail is an almost certain way to disappoint people with the actual product.

And wouldn't either Magna Carta or Holy Grail have been a better title than both of them squashed together?

yea it sounds messy with both phrases mashed together

Jay-Z has been on auto-pilot for years imo i mean listen to his raps the last few years...

But people will buy his album and we sell singles no matter what cause he is Jay-Z.

Him and Pharell need to work together again.

What does the word random (as in the first sentence of the article) mean anymore? Unexpected? Late? Surprisingly on the heels of Kanye's release (or actually not on the heels, since that doesn't drop until tomorrow)? Involving some unusual giveaway aspect? Vaguely different?

It doesn't seem to mean "by chance" or "without plan or decision." Sometimes people seem to mean "crazy"--but I don't really see that here.

And hardly anything involving Jay-Z is literally random, is it?

It is a dumb title. I can't imagine that it makes any sense at all.

EddieC said:

What does the word random (as in the first sentence of the article) mean anymore? Unexpected? Late? Surprisingly on the heels of Kanye's release (or actually not on the heels, since that doesn't drop until tomorrow)? Involving some unusual giveaway aspect? Vaguely different?

It doesn't seem to mean "by chance" or "without plan or decision." Sometimes people seem to mean "crazy"--but I don't really see that here.

And hardly anything involving Jay-Z is literally random, is it?

It is a dumb title. I can't imagine that it makes any sense at all.

exactly what i was thinking

ps: i bet prince is stomping his feet and grinding his teeth somewhere going "5 million dollars"

Well regardless of the marketing he is ripping off, its basically what everyone is doing, create a BUZZ with a title that is bloated and stupid and HYPE, him and Beyonce are a perfect couple they do everything the same, HYPE overdose, no substance, Jay has not been interesting music wise in eons, and im guessing this will keep the eons going title alone

Graycap23 said:

popgodazipa said:

Graycap23 said:

Original title was probably Holy Shiit................and they thought better of it.

Is that you Graycap or Dave Chapelle...I can't tell. I'm sure the rest of y'all RSVP'd so your probably in the crowd somewhere..hate hate hate hate!

Lol.......................I hear it now.

Song 1: cars

Song 2: haters

Song 3: stuff u can buy

Song 4: High life

Song 5: Merck Ya

Song 6: Owning assets

Song 7: Liquor and hoes

Song 8: Illuminati nonsense

Song 9: collabo

Song 10: collabo

Song 11: I know the President

Song 12: I know the 1st Lady 2

Graycap23 said:

popgodazipa said:

Graycap23 said: Is that you Graycap or Dave Chapelle...I can't tell. I'm sure the rest of y'all RSVP'd so your probably in the crowd somewhere..hate hate hate hate!

Lol.......................I hear it now.

Song 1: cars

Song 2: haters

Song 3: stuff u can buy

Song 4: High life

Song 5: Merck Ya

Song 6: Owning assets

Song 7: Liquor and hoes

Song 8: Illuminati nonsense

Song 9: collabo

Song 10: collabo

Song 11: I know the President

Song 12: I know the 1st Lady 2

Don't forget the Bonus Cut: I married the hottest chick in the game...yadda yadda yadda. I literally cracked up when he mentioned in the commercial that the album is a duality on success, failure and how to remain yourself through it all. I thought, hasn't he been making the same record for how many years now?

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Anyway, musically (based on the snippets in the clip) it reminds me of The Black Album. I guess that shouldn't be surprising being that he's working with mostly the same producers.

Musicslave said:

Graycap23 said:

Lol.......................I hear it now.

Song 1: cars

Song 2: haters

Song 3: stuff u can buy

Song 4: High life

Song 5: Merck Ya

Song 6: Owning assets

Song 7: Liquor and hoes

Song 8: Illuminati nonsense

Song 9: collabo

Song 10: collabo

Song 11: I know the President

Song 12: I know the 1st Lady 2

Don't forget the Bonus Cut: I married the hottest chick in the game...yadda yadda yadda. I literally cracked up when he mentioned in the commercial that the album is a duality on success, failure and how to remain yourself through it all. I thought, hasn't he been making the same record for how many years now?

-

Anyway, musically (based on the snippets in the clip) it reminds me of The Black Album. I guess that shouldn't be surprising being that he's working with mostly the same producers.

Graycap23 said:

@ Graycaps' list.

MadamGoodnight said:

@ Graycaps' list.

Remix: Yall gon learn 2day...........part 6.

Graycap23 said:

Musicslave said:

Don't forget the Bonus Cut: I married the hottest chick in the game...yadda yadda yadda. I literally cracked up when he mentioned in the commercial that the album is a duality on success, failure and how to remain yourself through it all. I thought, hasn't he been making the same record for how many years now?

-

Anyway, musically (based on the snippets in the clip) it reminds me of The Black Album. I guess that shouldn't be surprising being that he's working with mostly the same producers.

Graycap23 said:

MadamGoodnight said:

@ Graycaps' list.

Remix: Yall gon learn 2day...........part 6.

I have to admit that was good, lol

Cinny said:

Graycap23 said:

Remix: Yall gon learn 2day...........part 6.

I have to admit that was good, lol

me 2.

Magna Carta Holy Grail tracklisting:

01. “Picasso Baby”
02. “Heaven”
03. “Versus”
04. “Tom Ford”
05. “Beach Is Better”
06. “FuckWithMeYouKnowIGotIt”
07. “Oceans”
08. “F.U.T.W.”
09. “Part II (On the Run)”
10. “BBC”
11. “La Familia”
12. “Jay-Z Blue”
13. “Nickles & Dimes”
14. “Holy Grail”
15. “Open Letter”

Identity said:

Magna Carta Holy Grail tracklisting:

01. “Picasso Baby”
02. “Heaven”
03. “Versus”
04. “Tom Ford”
05. “Beach Is Better”
06. “FuckWithMeYouKnowIGotIt”
07. “Oceans”
08. “F.U.T.W.”
09. “Part II (On the Run)”
10. “BBC”
11. “La Familia”
12. “Jay-Z Blue”
13. “Nickles & Dimes”
14. “Holy Grail”
15. “Open Letter”

Is he trying to get some commercial jingles and history channel spots?

VenusBlingBling said:

Identity said:

Magna Carta Holy Grail tracklisting:

01. “Picasso Baby”
02. “Heaven”
03. “Versus”
04. “Tom Ford”
05. “Beach Is Better”
06. “FuckWithMeYouKnowIGotIt”
07. “Oceans”
08. “F.U.T.W.”
09. “Part II (On the Run)”
10. “BBC”
11. “La Familia”
12. “Jay-Z Blue”
13. “Nickles & Dimes”
14. “Holy Grail”
15. “Open Letter”

Is he trying to get some commercial jingles and history channel spots?

fashion shows are the new radio

I'm scared for this one honestly. Hov is my dude, but mainly the production on Blueprint 3 made it worthwhile. Most definitely not his lyrics. Same for Watch the Throne, him and Kanye both phoned it in.

lowkey said:

so will soundscan seriously count these sales? this is worse then artists including album sales in heir concert tickets.so in other words jayz got a 5 million dollar endoresment deal with samsung,instead of just giving him a check they bought 1 million albums at 5 bucks a pop and will get their money back giving free albums away to samsung customers,while jayz gets credit for selling a million albums before its even released.

Billboard chart won't count Jay Z sales from Samsung album deal

Jay Z, 43, announced last weekend that his album "Magna Carta Holy Grail" could be downloaded for free on July 4 - three days before its public release - to the first 1 million users of Samsung smartphones who had downloaded a special app.

Bulk album sales that are give away for free are not counted in total sales and not eligible to be included on the music charts even if an artist and a record label are paid for them, according to Billboard's rules.

The magazine's editorial director, Bill Werde, said Billboard rejected Jay Z's request that the Samsung promotional sales be counted toward the Billboard 200 chart because "in the context of this promotion, nothing is actually for sale."

"The ever-visionary Jay Z pulled the nifty coup of getting paid as if he had a platinum album before one fan bought a single copy," Werde said.

The magazine in 2011 also instituted a minimum price of $3.49 for an album to be considered for its chart in the first four weeks after release, which came in response to retailers and record labels who were selling albums for less than $1 to inflate sales.

Werde said Jay Z should earn his 13th No. 1 album anyway, as "Magna Carta Holy Grail" is forecast to sell between 400,000 and 450,000 units in its first week.

But Werde said Billboard will discuss tweaking its album-counting policy because of the prevalence of branding deals in the industry and the changing nature of how music is consumed.

"Just because the Billboard 200 has been based purely on sales of an album for the entirety of the life of the chart doesn't mean it must always remain so," Werde said.

"Magna Carta Holy Grail" will be released by Universal Music Group's Roc-A-Fella Records.

[Edited 6/28/13 14:51pm]

So let me get this straight... Billboard integrates YouTube viewership into Hot 100 singles calculations, but won't credit 1M SamSung downloads towards the album charts? There's a punchline there somewhere.