I was listening to Pandora radio and this tune played that I liked so much I had to buy off of Itunes. I can't BELIEVE it is Xtina!

Wow, this girl really has a voice.

prodigalfan said:

Wow, this girl really has a voice.

and you just noticed?

JoeBala said:

prodigalfan said:

Wow, this girl really has a voice.

and you just noticed?

Hahaha how can anyone not notice?

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JoeBala said:

prodigalfan said:

Wow, this girl really has a voice.

and you just noticed?

I always put her in same category as Mariah... great tones and natural sound... but not necessarily great vocal skills.

Letg me try to explain.

Mariah can run the scales. She can sing very well.. technically correct... hits all the notes etc.... but to me I have never heard her put her foot in it. Not very organic sound. I always thought Christina did that as well..

Beautiful is a very beautifully song... but that sound didn't MOVE me. My ear heard it.... and it was good. Technically on point... hits all the notes and runs.. doesn't go flat. etc.

But THIS song... I can feel the feelings she is conveying. It makes me close my eyes and shake my head because every line, perfection. It is organic, it flows like a river.

and then not only she sing with great feeling, tone, and rhythm.. but she has a GREAT natural voice sound. Clear, easy, no strain, no forced sound.

She should do this kind of music. it would make get her a new following.. grown folks that have money, and will buy new album on opening day.

I always thought and still do that Mariah, Christina, Whitney(although she did do some tracks in the 80's-90's), etc should've done a CD just Piano, Bass and Acoustic guitar. Kind of like an unplugged album. It would sell alot.

Currently, very underrated vocally. I wish she would control her voice more and not do so many runs.

mjscarousal said:

Currently, very underrated vocally. I wish she would control her voice more and not do so many runs.

yes, this is what I mean about being technically correct. They hit all the notes, but the singing is so "busy" that you can't "feel" the music.

On this song, Xtina really just SANG!

JoeBala said:

I always thought and still do that Mariah, Christina, Whitney(although she did do some tracks in the 80's-90's), etc should've done a CD just Piano, Bass and Acoustic guitar. Kind of like an unplugged album. It would sell alot.

yes, stripped down (no pun intended).

I don't think Mariah can do it. She has the range, but she lacks control. I think she does a lot of runs to cover weaknesses she has just straight singing.

Whitney could do this. She could sing and hold a note clear, unwavering and her tone was pleasing to the ear... not booming, raspy etc.

Christina has the voice.... she doesn't always do that. I think it is because she lacks maturity on a vocal level or maybe confidence??

It takes confidence to not show boat the entire song. Just because you CAN doesn't mean you should.

I really like this song because I have never heard her sing in such a cool understated style. She sang so much by singing so soft and small.

prodigalfan said:

mjscarousal said:

Currently, very underrated vocally. I wish she would control her voice more and not do so many runs.

yes, this is what I mean about being technically correct. They hit all the notes, but the singing is so "busy" that you can't "feel" the music.

On this song, Xtina really just SANG!

Oh yes I agree. She can sing but she is not a good technical singer by any means. Out of her generation (Justin, Brittany, Beyonce, Katy etc) I think she is a far superior vocalist to all of them but she is weak in the control area.

Whitney should NEVER be mentioned in the same sentence with the likes of Christina or even Mariah. Not saying their horrible but their not belters. Christina has the vocals but she just doesnt have the technical skill to do it.

mjscarousal said:

prodigalfan said:

yes, this is what I mean about being technically correct. They hit all the notes, but the singing is so "busy" that you can't "feel" the music.

On this song, Xtina really just SANG!

Oh yes I agree. She can sing but she is not a good technical singer by any means. Out of her generation (Justin, Brittany, Beyonce, Katy etc) I think she is a far superior vocalist to all of them but she is weak in the control area.

Whitney should NEVER be mentioned in the same sentence with the likes of Christina or even Mariah. Not saying their horrible but their not belters. Christina has the vocals but she just doesnt have the technical skill to do it.

YES. I have said from day 1 (Genie)..that SHE would ultimately outlast & out-talent all her contemporaries. I agree with the observations so far in this thread (esp @ XTina's need to exercise control & restraint in her vox).

But mark my words......if she cools the hype addiction & picks her material well........she's gonna be "around" LONG after her peers. She has THAT voice. If she uses it well = legend.

JamFanHot said:

mjscarousal said:

Oh yes I agree. She can sing but she is not a good technical singer by any means. Out of her generation (Justin, Brittany, Beyonce, Katy etc) I think she is a far superior vocalist to all of them but she is weak in the control area.

Whitney should NEVER be mentioned in the same sentence with the likes of Christina or even Mariah. Not saying their horrible but their not belters. Christina has the vocals but she just doesnt have the technical skill to do it.

YES. I have said from day 1 (Genie)..that SHE would ultimately outlast & out-talent all her contemporaries. I agree with the observations so far in this thread (esp @ XTina's need to exercise control & restraint in her vox).

But mark my words......if she cools the hype addiction & picks her material well........she's gonna be "around" LONG after her peers. She has THAT voice. If she uses it well = legend.

Im not a fan but I give props where it is dued. I think her best vocal performance is Reflection.

LOL Legend is an exaggeration but she has the talent where she wouldnt fade. She needs to pick better songs and train with a vocal coach.

JoeBala said:

I always thought and still do that Mariah, Christina, Whitney(although she did do some tracks in the 80's-90's), etc should've done a CD just Piano, Bass and Acoustic guitar. Kind of like an unplugged album. It would sell alot.

JoeBala said:

I always thought and still do that Mariah, Christina, Whitney(although she did do some tracks in the 80's-90's), etc should've done a CD just Piano, Bass and Acoustic guitar. Kind of like an unplugged album. It would sell alot.

Mariah did do an unplugged album and it was amazing. It was very early on in her career before she got married and her husband started controlling her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTV_Unplugged_(Mariah_Carey_EP)

RoseDuchess12 said:

JoeBala said:

I always thought and still do that Mariah, Christina, Whitney(although she did do some tracks in the 80's-90's), etc should've done a CD just Piano, Bass and Acoustic guitar. Kind of like an unplugged album. It would sell alot.

Mariah did do an unplugged album and it was amazing. It was very early on in her career before she got married and her husband started controlling her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTV_Unplugged_(Mariah_Carey_EP)

Yeah I remember that, but still I'd like her to do an album that show her vocal and not the beats taking over. She'd never do it, but she should.

mjscarousal said:

JamFanHot said:

YES. I have said from day 1 (Genie)..that SHE would ultimately outlast & out-talent all her contemporaries. I agree with the observations so far in this thread (esp @ XTina's need to exercise control & restraint in her vox).

But mark my words......if she cools the hype addiction & picks her material well........she's gonna be "around" LONG after her peers. She has THAT voice. If she uses it well = legend.

Im not a fan but I give props where it is dued. I think her best vocal performance is Reflection.

LOL Legend is an exaggeration but she has the talent where she wouldnt fade. She needs to pick better songs and train with a vocal coach.

Well, yeahhhh..way too soon for the legend moniker..but as an eventuality...if she made the right moves (vocal coach wouldn't hurt, in addition to the the right material, I agree). She's got the instrument....just gotta showcase it right.

I am not a huge fan, but damn Stripped was a great album. It came out when i was in 5th grade & the singles where EVERYWHERE. Her image was seen as more adult & dirty... and boy did that bitch look dirty fah real

I'm Ok & Voice Within are the shit

Sadly she really feel off, Bionic was... a mess. And the album before it was just ok imo. I think she could have done much better thing's in the 00's.

wow,

I have heard nothing but good things about this album. I guess I will buy it. I always put Christina in the same catergory as pop princess...

But if Stripped is anything like this song, I listen to it.

JoeBala said:

RoseDuchess12 said:

Mariah did do an unplugged album and it was amazing. It was very early on in her career before she got married and her husband started controlling her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTV_Unplugged_(Mariah_Carey_EP)

Yeah I remember that, but still I'd like her to do an album that show her vocal and not the beats taking over. She'd never do it, but she should.

Well her sales are slumping, so hopefully on this new album she's releasing this year, she'll find a happy medium between her love of hip-pop fusion and her fans' love of her old great writing and fabulous ballad style (e.g. The Wind, Vanishing).

But beyond Mariah, Christina's "Stripped" is a great album.

Gunsnhalen said:

I am not a huge fan, but damn Stripped was a great album. It came out when i was in 5th grade & the singles where EVERYWHERE. Her image was seen as more adult & dirty... and boy did that bitch look dirty fah real

I'm Ok & Voice Within are the shit

Sadly she really feel off, Bionic was... a mess. And the album before it was just ok imo. I think she could have done much better thing's in the 00's.

Stripped is her best album.... and she was EVERYWHERE.... she really fell off is an understatement

Aguilera--- girl reflection is my song--yah feel me!!

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Christina's major problems tend to be her constantly changing sound and image; her excessive overruns; and her ego. IMO, the girl has one of the best voices in the new era with the exception of the often used overruns. At times, her image is excessive and really proves nothing good in her favor. I don't think changing music genres every album is a terrible thing personally but I can see how it confuses some who listen to her music. As for that ego the size of the sun...well watching one episode of 'The Voice' will let you know how out of control it can be. If she didn't have these faults, I don't think people would have as much negative things to say about her.

Her debut album is exceptional...great songs and vocals from beginning to end. When she grew tired of being 'controlled' as she believed she was, she did 'Stripped'. 'Stripped' is an amazing album and seemed like a more mature sound from her debut. 'B2B' showed her geniune love of jazz and blues. In her E! True Hollywood Story some years back, her mother commented on how when Christina was little she would beg her to put on the 'fun music' which consisted of BB King and Etta James albums.

As much as 'Bionic' is shit on, it wasn't the worst album ever made on any level. For me, it's biggest problems were that it was super choppy, seemed very rushed, and was a genre that she really didn't need to take on. I realize that electronica/dance pop (whatever it's called now) is the new 'In Sound' at the moment but if you have a great voice like she does it really does nothing for you as a vocalist. Personally, I think 'Lift Me Up' is an amazing song from that album as is 'You Lost Me'. Christina is a great ballad singer, but that's maybe because most ballads require some level of control to pull off well.

I think if Christina managed to stick with one theme for at least 2 albums it would work for her and also if she dropped the bitchy ego and got some vocal coaches to teach her vocal control it would be good for her. She's the real deal...always was out of the bubblegum pop era. Beyonce has a great voice but I think Christina and P!nk are better vocalists than her. All just my

Christina's major problems tend to be her constantly changing sound and image; her excessive overruns; and her ego. IMO, the girl has one of the best voices in the new era with the exception of the often used overruns. At times, her image is excessive and really proves nothing good in her favor. I don't think changing music genres every album is a terrible thing personally but I can see how it confuses some who listen to her music. As for that ego the size of the sun...well watching one episode of 'The Voice' will let you know how out of control it can be. If she didn't have these faults, I don't think people would have as much negative things to say about her.

Her debut album is exceptional...great songs and vocals from beginning to end. When she grew tired of being 'controlled' as she believed she was, she did 'Stripped'. 'Stripped' is an amazing album and seemed like a more mature sound from her debut. 'B2B' showed her geniune love of jazz and blues. In her E! True Hollywood Story some years back, her mother commented on how when Christina was little she would beg her to put on the 'fun music' which consisted of BB King and Etta James albums.

As much as 'Bionic' is shit on, it wasn't the worst album ever made on any level. For me, it's biggest problems were that it was super choppy, seemed very rushed, and was a genre that she really didn't need to take on. I realize that electronica/dance pop (whatever it's called now) is the new 'In Sound' at the moment but if you have a great voice like she does it really does nothing for you as a vocalist. Personally, I think 'Lift Me Up' is an amazing song from that album as is 'You Lost Me'. Christina is a great ballad singer, but that's maybe because most ballads require some level of control to pull off well.

I think if Christina managed to stick with one theme for at least 2 albums it would work for her and also if she dropped the bitchy ego and got some vocal coaches to teach her vocal control it would be good for her. She's the real deal...always was out of the bubblegum pop era. Beyonce has a great voice but I think Christina and P!nk are better vocalists than her. All just my

In total agreement with the above and in my opinion, something else that doesn't help her is the time between albums. While other pop acts might take 2-3 years between albums of all new material (less time if you're Rihanna), Christina took 4 years between Back To Basics and Bionic. By the time Bionic finally came out, Britney had already released a slew of electronic dance pop singless and albums (like Blackout and Circus), Beyonce and Rihanna had singles out seemingly every other week, and of course Gaga was beginning to get major mainstream success. In comparison it looked liked Christina was playing catch up with everyone else. 4 years between albums is an eternity in pop music.

mjscarousal said:

Gunsnhalen said:

I am not a huge fan, but damn Stripped was a great album. It came out when i was in 5th grade & the singles where EVERYWHERE. Her image was seen as more adult & dirty... and boy did that bitch look dirty fah real

I'm Ok & Voice Within are the shit

Sadly she really feel off, Bionic was... a mess. And the album before it was just ok imo. I think she could have done much better thing's in the 00's.

Stripped is her best album.... and she was EVERYWHERE.... she really fell off is an understatement

You ain't neva lie

I mean.. i get she did the 50's thing on her next album. She had some good tunes but overall to me it was zzzzzzz

Bionic was just a mess idc what she say's that girl was trend hoppin to save her life.

UnderMySun said:

Christina's major problems tend to be her constantly changing sound and image; her excessive overruns; and her ego. IMO, the girl has one of the best voices in the new era with the exception of the often used overruns. At times, her image is excessive and really proves nothing good in her favor. I don't think changing music genres every album is a terrible thing personally but I can see how it confuses some who listen to her music. As for that ego the size of the sun...well watching one episode of 'The Voice' will let you know how out of control it can be. If she didn't have these faults, I don't think people would have as much negative things to say about her.

Her debut album is exceptional...great songs and vocals from beginning to end. When she grew tired of being 'controlled' as she believed she was, she did 'Stripped'. 'Stripped' is an amazing album and seemed like a more mature sound from her debut. 'B2B' showed her geniune love of jazz and blues. In her E! True Hollywood Story some years back, her mother commented on how when Christina was little she would beg her to put on the 'fun music' which consisted of BB King and Etta James albums.

As much as 'Bionic' is shit on, it wasn't the worst album ever made on any level. For me, it's biggest problems were that it was super choppy, seemed very rushed, and was a genre that she really didn't need to take on. I realize that electronica/dance pop (whatever it's called now) is the new 'In Sound' at the moment but if you have a great voice like she does it really does nothing for you as a vocalist. Personally, I think 'Lift Me Up' is an amazing song from that album as is 'You Lost Me'. Christina is a great ballad singer, but that's maybe because most ballads require some level of control to pull off well.

I think if Christina managed to stick with one theme for at least 2 albums it would work for her and also if she dropped the bitchy ego and got some vocal coaches to teach her vocal control it would be good for her. She's the real deal...always was out of the bubblegum pop era. Beyonce has a great voice but I think Christina and P!nk are better vocalists than her. All just my

In total agreement with the above and in my opinion, something else that doesn't help her is the time between albums. While other pop acts might take 2-3 years between albums of all new material (less time if you're Rihanna), Christina took 4 years between Back To Basics and Bionic. By the time Bionic finally came out, Britney had already released a slew of electronic dance pop singless and albums (like Blackout and Circus), Beyonce and Rihanna had singles out seemingly every other week, and of course Gaga was beginning to get major mainstream success. In comparison it looked liked Christina was playing catch up with everyone else. 4 years between albums is an eternity in pop music.

^^I agree 100% with you. If she wants to take that long between albums than she needs to either put out an exceptionally outstanding pop album that strays away from the trends that others are heavily following or she needs to get out of the pop genre altogether. P!nk takes big breaks between her albums but her albums are all well done and they don't conform to what's popular. Christina has the vocal abilities to do more than just pop music. Beyonce didn't want to be an RnB singer...she wanted to be a pop star so I don't see why Christina couldn't go from Pop to RnB...her voice would be just as great in that genre IMO.

UnderMySun said:

Christina's major problems tend to be her constantly changing sound and image; her excessive overruns; and her ego. IMO, the girl has one of the best voices in the new era with the exception of the often used overruns. At times, her image is excessive and really proves nothing good in her favor. I don't think changing music genres every album is a terrible thing personally but I can see how it confuses some who listen to her music. As for that ego the size of the sun...well watching one episode of 'The Voice' will let you know how out of control it can be. If she didn't have these faults, I don't think people would have as much negative things to say about her.

Her debut album is exceptional...great songs and vocals from beginning to end. When she grew tired of being 'controlled' as she believed she was, she did 'Stripped'. 'Stripped' is an amazing album and seemed like a more mature sound from her debut. 'B2B' showed her geniune love of jazz and blues. In her E! True Hollywood Story some years back, her mother commented on how when Christina was little she would beg her to put on the 'fun music' which consisted of BB King and Etta James albums.

As much as 'Bionic' is shit on, it wasn't the worst album ever made on any level. For me, it's biggest problems were that it was super choppy, seemed very rushed, and was a genre that she really didn't need to take on. I realize that electronica/dance pop (whatever it's called now) is the new 'In Sound' at the moment but if you have a great voice like she does it really does nothing for you as a vocalist. Personally, I think 'Lift Me Up' is an amazing song from that album as is 'You Lost Me'. Christina is a great ballad singer, but that's maybe because most ballads require some level of control to pull off well.

I think if Christina managed to stick with one theme for at least 2 albums it would work for her and also if she dropped the bitchy ego and got some vocal coaches to teach her vocal control it would be good for her. She's the real deal...always was out of the bubblegum pop era. Beyonce has a great voice but I think Christina and P!nk are better vocalists than her. All just my

In total agreement with the above and in my opinion, something else that doesn't help her is the time between albums. While other pop acts might take 2-3 years between albums of all new material (less time if you're Rihanna), Christina took 4 years between Back To Basics and Bionic. By the time Bionic finally came out, Britney had already released a slew of electronic dance pop singless and albums (like Blackout and Circus), Beyonce and Rihanna had singles out seemingly every other week, and of course Gaga was beginning to get major mainstream success. In comparison it looked liked Christina was playing catch up with everyone else. 4 years between albums is an eternity in pop music.

Christina was always in someone else's shadow.

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She never owned an era.

Gunsnhalen said:

I am not a huge fan, but damn Stripped was a great album. It came out when i was in 5th grade & the singles where EVERYWHERE. Her image was seen as more adult & dirty... and boy did that bitch look dirty fah real

I'm Ok & Voice Within are the shit

Sadly she really feel off, Bionic was... a mess. And the album before it was just ok imo. I think she could have done much better thing's in the 00's.

You think so?

I actually made a point of buying that cd and came away from it underwhelmed and disappointed because I know Christina has the talent to do better shit than she does.

The only stuff I could really truly get into on there was "Beautiful" and "Walk Away".