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Should Paris have a twitter?

Yes or No?

Red said:

Dayum - some of you are so freakin harsh. Do you even know an 82 year old on high blood pressure pills and who knows what else? This woman has been under incredible pressure since Michael left - looking after all those kids. Most women Katherine's age could certainly NOT handle it. Do any of you even know what it's like raising spoiled teens? Miraval IS a place that you don't want to have a phone, especially if you've booked yourself multiple specialist/medical appts while there. My mother's 85 - on blood pressure meds and when her pressure's up for whatever reason/stress - she slurs - and that's the least of it. Y'all ridiculous. I'm sure this is about spoiled children and greedy family. Poor woman can't even escape for a week. If I needed to get away from it all - I sure as hell wouldn't tell them where I was going either.

Have a heart people.

Exactly! the woman is an 82 year old senior citizen who is not a spring chick any more.

LittleBlueCorvette said:

I think every deserves blame in this.

From Katherine to Paris to certain siblings.

-Katy, you gotta let the kiddos know where you are at.

-Paris, you can't say things on twitter like "I can't find my grandmother." You know who you are Paris, shit was everywhere before she pressed "send."

-Janet, Randy, Jermaine, ect, you gotta let her speak with her granny.

I agree... I just think Paris reacted frantically because she could not get a hold of her grandmother (which is understandbale)but I guess everything had a spiral effect in this case. I do think she needs to get off twitter though even though she was right about some things.

Randy had no business tweeting the letter to the Estate PUBLICLY in the firs place. If Janet, Jermane, and Randy had an issue with the Estate than they should have professionally addressed them.

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again, thank God for the Jackson family, after Tom & Katie robbed me of my favorite tabloid story of the year.

mjscarousal said:

LittleBlueCorvette said:

I think every deserves blame in this.

From Katherine to Paris to certain siblings.

-Katy, you gotta let the kiddos know where you are at.

-Paris, you can't say things on twitter like "I can't find my grandmother." You know who you are Paris, shit was everywhere before she pressed "send."

-Janet, Randy, Jermaine, ect, you gotta let her speak with her granny.

I agree... I just think Paris reacted frantically because she could not get a hold of her grandmother (which is understandbale)but I guess everything had a spiral effect in this case. I do think she needs to get off twitter though even though she was right about some things.

Randy had no business tweeting the letter to the Estate PUBLICLY in the firs place. If Janet, Jermane, and Randy had an issue with the Estate than they should have professionally addressed them.

[Edited 7/25/12 17:48pm]

Agree about Randy also.

Red said:

Dayum - some of you are so freakin harsh. Do you even know an 82 year old on high blood pressure pills and who knows what else? This woman has been under incredible pressure since Michael left - looking after all those kids. Most women Katherine's age could certainly NOT handle it. Do any of you even know what it's like raising spoiled teens? Miraval IS a place that you don't want to have a phone, especially if you've booked yourself multiple specialist/medical appts while there. My mother's 85 - on blood pressure meds and when her pressure's up for whatever reason/stress - she slurs - and that's the least of it. Y'all ridiculous. I'm sure this is about spoiled children and greedy family. Poor woman can't even escape for a week. If I needed to get away from it all - I sure as hell wouldn't tell them where I was going either.

Have a heart people.

YES! ....

to all that you wrote.

A simple phone call would have prevented this from spiraling out of control. It would've taken less than 30 seconds. Hi, I'm over here at [location] and will be here for a while. I'm well and doing fine. Say hello to everybody for me. Bye. A simple phone call and the guardianship wouldnt have been revoked and temporarily given to someone else. A simple phone call would have stopped the tweets from both Paris and Randy...a simple phone call and Marlon wouldnt have had to go on national TV all upset. A simple phone call, a simple phone call.....oh the wonders a little phone call can do!

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Should Paris have a twitter?

Yes or No?

I think she should stop broadcasting her family drama with her followers. I understand she has a right to say whatever but I think it's best she don't honestly. This family in general always somehow give the media fuel either way.

NaughtyKitty said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Should Paris have a twitter?

Yes or No?

Yep. It's entertaining.

You know it wasnt like Katy was raising those 3 kids in a one room shack by herself. Im sure there is a staff and nannies to help with the kid raising.

luv4u said:

Last thread got too long. Continue posting folks..........

thank you luv4u!

lazycrockett said:

You know it wasnt like Katy was raising those 3 kids in a one room shack by herself. Im sure there is a staff and nannies to help with the kid raising.

mental/emotional pressure. too many people coming at her at one time.

lazycrockett said:

You know it wasnt like Katy was raising those 3 kids in a one room shack by herself. Im sure there is a staff and nannies to help with the kid raising.

that's not the point, is it? the point is paris called tried to call and no one would let her through. this is corrobated by her whiny bitch of a son, marlon. he couldn't get through to her, either.

the nannies aren't the guardians, kat is ... or used to be. you don't get to go sit in a room off to yourself when you're a parent for a week at a time without checking in. even i know that, and i can barely take care of my zebra finch, let alone a kid!

free2bfreeda said:

lazycrockett said:

You know it wasnt like Katy was raising those 3 kids in a one room shack by herself. Im sure there is a staff and nannies to help with the kid raising.

mental/emotional pressure. too many people coming at her at one time.

Well she should have raised her kids better, cause they seem to be the only one coming at her.

Red said:

Dayum - some of you are so freakin harsh. Do you even know an 82 year old on high blood pressure pills and who knows what else? This woman has been under incredible pressure since Michael left - looking after all those kids. Most women Katherine's age could certainly NOT handle it. Do any of you even know what it's like raising spoiled teens? Miraval IS a place that you don't want to have a phone, especially if you've booked yourself multiple specialist/medical appts while there. My mother's 85 - on blood pressure meds and when her pressure's up for whatever reason/stress - she slurs - and that's the least of it. Y'all ridiculous. I'm sure this is about spoiled children and greedy family. Poor woman can't even escape for a week. If I needed to get away from it all - I sure as hell wouldn't tell them where I was going either.

Have a heart people.

no one is saying that kat can't take a vacation. the crux of issue is why she couldn't have at least taken one phone call from paris - just one - in all that time, esp. when the girl is tweeting all over the universe? if she is a guardian, at least call her up and lay down your authority and tell her to stop doing that.

have a heart? i could say the same for katherine. she wants to get away from it all, but she certainly had visitors judging by the photos the family released. i guess she just didn't want to be around mj's kids, which must make them feel really, really, really great.

if she's so overwhelmed by mj3, then why is she going to fight tj for guardianship? maybe you answered that question: greedy family. the real money goes where ever the kids are.

NaughtyKitty said:

A simple phone call would have prevented this from spiraling out of control. It would've taken less than 30 seconds. Hi, I'm over here at [location] and will be here for a while. I'm well and doing fine. Say hello to everybody for me. Bye. A simple phone call and the guardianship wouldnt have been revoked and temporarily given to someone else. A simple phone call would have stopped the tweets from both Paris and Randy...a simple phone call and Marlon wouldnt have had to go on national TV all upset. A simple phone call, a simple phone call.....oh the wonders a little phone call can do!

but it ISN'T that simple. Ever tried to take a relaxing bath in your home with two or more kids in the house? Know how many times they rap on the door...fighting, crying, whining? It can be bloody infuriating that you can't find a quiet corner of peace for an hour.

Sure she has staff - but who is holding the key to the bank vault? Gimme Gimme Gimme. SOMEONE did know where Katherine was and wanted her to have that time. Tell the children and Paris would have been calling Gramma constantly with " Randy won't let me do this. Janet won't let me do that."

I think Paris is one spoiled BRAT!

Yea I love Janet which you already know (and also is why I am more harder on her than on the others here) but she is wrong here and I am not to blinded by my fandom to express that or see it.... you shouldnt be either...

Its very clear whats going on...

She has done alot of things since Michaels passing that has made me raise my eye at her in disguist BUT in this particular case its just beyond bizarre. I dont see why she would side with her shady brothers to go against the Estate firstly. I dont see why she along with other siblings could not have called the children up to let them know that Katherine was in AZ and was just resting.

Instead, Jermaine tweeted it which I felt he should have called instead when the missing report was out. Why block the children from talking to the grandmother?

So no... Janet is not excluded from Randy and Jermaine since all three made bold claims and did bold actions that were questionable. I'm just rather shock that she would get involved because she usually doesnt get involved in Jackson drama.

You sure about that?

Janet made some shocking statements about Michael in recent interviews over the past three years that I feel were misleading and very media driven. She made alot of open end remarks that gave the viewer room to misinterpret alot of things. She also gave confusing interviews that changed everytime someone asked her the same question pertaining to Michael. What I learned from those inerviews was ....she wasnt at all close with Michael as she likes to portray for the media because she was clueless about alot of things that fans are more knowledgable about but when it was time to promote her tour.... she made sure all that MJ talk was out.

Im not knocking the things Janet has done when Michael was alive but thats the thing all those things were done when he was alive and Im not saying that to demean what she did...

Its easy for people to get away with saying anything when people are not here to defend themselves like she has done over the past three years regarding Michael. She really hasnt defended Michael over the last three years objectively speaking and Im a huge Janet fan I was highly upset by that and really surprised since she did all those past things and since she is his SISTER. I was expecting her to be more knowledgable about certain things that she wasnt.

Such as Michaels autospy report which she evidently didnt read....

I dont think her past intentions when Michael as alive should justify certain questionable inaccurate comments she has made since Michael has passed which I feel is far more important since he isnt here to defend himself....

Which was a tear jerker and at the time took alot for her to do but her comments that she said at BET... I honestly dont believe now...... I dont.

It appears the family just view Michael as a bank account. Looking back at that video... its hard for me to take her comments sincerely when the family behaves like this.... for money.

She also asked for a reimbursement which I just found out last week and a bit odd I know she wanst obligated to do that but c'mon...

So technically she didnt pay for anything but the attire worn. If my brother passed away I wouldnt be asking for money back.... because ... well... THATS MY BROTHER not a stranger or a friend Im doing a favor for..

Michael paid for David Ruffins funeral and didnt pay seeking a payback... c'mon now that was her brother and Im willing to bet everything if anything happened to Janet he would pay for everything not seeking nothing in return and you can take that to the bank...

I didnt forget but you seem to think that justifies her odd behavior with blocking Katherine from the children, from attempting to take the kids against their will and uniting with her shady brothers in a letter against the Estate... Jermaine and Randy just want MONEY

Yo Michael wasnt perfect... and neither is Janet You need to get beyond your fandom hun on this one because Janet was partially wrong here

This right here is why its hard for me to take anything you say seriously... She LIED about those interventions and she couldnt recall those interventions and gave very misleading inacurrate information I think the only reason why you agree with her is because its JANET Jackson..

Even in this madness you dont see no wrong on HER part in this Jackson drama...

Michael was NOT an ADDICT and if Janet read his autosy report... it says PROPOFOL NOT Prescription medication which NONE was found in his system when he passed. She relied on TMZ for her information instead of researching for herself and taking the time to reading that long ass sheet that Im willing to bet you didnt even read... You can not get addicted to anesthesia which just temporarily slows done sensation and consciousness. You cant get addicted to something you cant feel or unaware of.. it just puts you to sleep. I do think it was unethical for insomnia but he was by no means an addict for using it because he couldnt sleep..

No your fucking Jaded .. You sat up here and just posted a bunch of media spun shit in that post and now turn around and insists Janet has received the same with

In this case she has but with certain things she hasnt... She has not business going to the house trying to take those kids and blocking Katherine from them.. yea she was wrong there...

Your sitting back looking at people angry because your mad people calling the perfect Jackson out because it turns out she is just like her greedy family.. get over it.. Michael wasnt perfect.. NEITHER IS JANET

and Michael is looking down from heaven shaking his head in disgust at his greedy selfish family for dragging HIS KIDS in this mess and running after HIS MONEY.. He probably shouting for joy he didnt add his family in his will looking at this trainwreck...

[Edited 7/25/12 18:46pm]

Red said:

^Bitch not Brat.

lazycrockett said:

free2bfreeda said:

mental/emotional pressure. too many people coming at her at one time.

Well she should have raised her kids better, cause they seem to be the only one coming at her.

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[Edited 7/25/12 20:59pm]

How come Paris is the only one acting out?

Haven't heard from Prince?

not taking any sided, but I know I would get in trouble had one of my aunts or uncles told me something and I didn't listen?

NaughtyKitty said:

A simple phone call would have prevented this from spiraling out of control. It would've taken less than 30 seconds. Hi, I'm over here at [location] and will be here for a while. I'm well and doing fine. Say hello to everybody for me. Bye. A simple phone call and the guardianship wouldnt have been revoked and temporarily given to someone else. A simple phone call would have stopped the tweets from both Paris and Randy...a simple phone call and Marlon wouldnt have had to go on national TV all upset. A simple phone call, a simple phone call.....oh the wonders a little phone call can do!

VERY GOOD POST

[Edited 7/25/12 18:54pm]

mjscarousal said:

NaughtyKitty said:

A simple phone call would have prevented this from spiraling out of control. It would've taken less than 30 seconds. Hi, I'm over here at [location] and will be here for a while. I'm well and doing fine. Say hello to everybody for me. Bye. A simple phone call and the guardianship wouldnt have been revoked and temporarily given to someone else. A simple phone call would have stopped the tweets from both Paris and Randy...a simple phone call and Marlon wouldnt have had to go on national TV all upset. A simple phone call, a simple phone call.....oh the wonders a little phone call can do!

VERY GOOD POST

[Edited 7/25/12 18:54pm]

We don't even know if she did tell them?

THe other kids have been quiet in this whole thing. Maybe Paris is just crying out for attention, we don't know everything yet. Kids tend to do that when they miss someone (father.)

mjscarousal said:

Seanman said: Just what is your problem, anyway? I mean, seriously? What is your beef with Janet of all people?

Yea I love Janet which you already know (and also is why I am more harder on her than on the others here) but she is wrong here and I am not to blinded by my fandom to express that or see it.... you shouldnt be either...

Its very clear whats going on...

She has done alot of things since Michaels passing that has made me raise my eye at her in disguist BUT in this particular case its just beyond bizarre. I dont see why she would side with her shady brothers to go against the Estate firstly. I dont see why she along with other siblings could not have called the children up to let them know that Katherine was in AZ and was just resting.

Instead, Jermaine tweeted it which I felt he should have called instead when the missing report was out. Why block the children from talking to the grandmother?

So no... Janet is not excluded from Randy and Jermaine since all three made bold claims and did bold actions that were questionable. I'm just rather shock that she would get involved because she usually doesnt get involved in Jackson drama.

This right here is why its hard for me to take anything you say seriously... She LIED about those interventions and she couldnt recall those interventions and gave very misleading inacurrate information I think the only reason why you agree with her is because its JANET Jackson..

Even in this madness you dont see no wrong on HER part in this Jackson drama...

Michael was NOT an ADDICT and if Janet read his autosy report... it says PROPOFOL NOT Prescription medication which NONE was found in his system when he passed. She relied on TMZ for her information instead of researching for herself and taking the time to reading that long ass sheet that Im willing to bet you didnt even read... You can not get addicted to anesthesia which just temporarily slows done sensation and consciousness. You cant get addicted to something you cant feel or unaware of.. it just puts you to sleep. I do think it was unethical for insomnia but he was by no means an addict for using it because he couldnt sleep..

Seanman said: Are you that fucking jaded that something the media is trying to put its spin on can totally make you forget that yes, JANET LOVED HER BROTHER MICHAEL JACKSON? I'm sitting back looking at everyone jumping to conclusions, pointing fingers and making accusations about a situation you know absolutely NOTHING about, and it's just really pathetic. If anything, I'll bet Michael is looking down at people like you and shaking his head at how gullible you are.

No your fucking Jaded .. You sat up here and just posted a bunch of media spun shit in that post and now turn around and insists Janet has received the same with

In this case she has but with certain things she hasnt... She has not business going to the house trying to take those kids and blocking Katherine from them.. yea she was wrong there...

Your sitting back looking at people angry because your mad people calling the perfect Jackson out because it turns out she is just like her greedy family.. get over it.. Michael wasnt perfect.. NEITHER IS JANET

and Michael is looking down from heaven shaking his head in disgust at his greedy selfish family for dragging HIS KIDS in this mess and running after HIS MONEY.. He probably shouting for joy he didnt add his family in his will looking at this trainwreck...

[Edited 7/25/12 18:46pm]

you gotta remember that katherine is janet's mother, i know most mj fans feel everything should revolve around mike's kids once they came to live with her but janet is gonna care for her mother regardless.if katherine didnt want to take any calls during her rest,that goes for lil miss paris to. she wasnt left home alone, she didnt start whining about talking to her grandma until trent said she was missing.yall keep saying she did all these bad things to mike after he died but when somebody ask what did she do you bring up some interviews when she aknowledged that her brother had a problem, guess what he did have problems thats why he's no longer here.janet didnt drag those kids into nothing, the letter was not addressed to the kids, paris but herself in the mix by jumping on twitter and getting involved in grown folks business. so now she had no right going to the house to get the kids? wasnt everybody crying about how they need to let the kids see grandma? janet dont want them damn kids, she want her mother away from the madness.

Personally I feel Paris is not old enough to be on twitter-heck, A LOT of people twice or even three times her age are not mature enough to be on twitter and post all kinds of crazy things On the other hand, I understand why Paris uses twitter-it's her taste of freedom. She's had a very monitored and controlled life, so as any normal teen, she uses twitter to express herself. After this episode, I think she'll understand that she shouldn't be posting about family issues on a public forum.

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Katherine Jackson SUPPORTED TJ Jackson's efforts to obtain temporary guardianship of Michael Jackson's 3 children ... so says TJ in court docs obtained by TMZ.

TJ filed the docs with the court before today's hearing -- and in the papers, TJ claims Katherine was being manipulated by family members who were hellbent on controlling Katherine.

In fact, TJ claims one of his aunts -- either Janet or Rebbie -- arranged for a person toIMPERSONATE A DOCTOR to convince Katherine to blow off a concert series and instead fly with her conspiratorial children to Arizona.

TJ claims he had been assisting with the care of MJ's children since MJ died ... and even before Katherine disappeared, she placed them in his care.

According to the docs, TJ claims he finally spoke with Katherine on July 24 -- and during the conversation, she "indicated to me that she supported me in taking steps that I deemed appropriate to protect [MJ's children]."

TJ was eventually awarded temporary guardianship over Paris, Prince and Blanket.

After the hearing, Katherine contradicted TJ's story ... insisting she was "devastated" by the court's decision.