silverchild said:

Timmy84 said:

I think doing that special was not a good idea. Obviously Michael wasn't ready and didn't wanna do it... of course it didn't help Whitney Houston either.

Nope. Just not a good time.

And on top of that, when Michael told Tommy Mottola that he was threatening to leave Sony, Tommy acted out and shut down everything that Invincible was about to be. That album would've took him through 3 years and it was promising to be even more massive than it was. Things really looked dim for Mike and it got even worse from there.

Well Mike was the cash cow, and about to become a free agent when all of this went down with his 'Invincible' album.

angel345 said:

silverchild said:

Nope. Just not a good time.

And on top of that, when Michael told Tommy Mottola that he was threatening to leave Sony, Tommy acted out and shut down everything that Invincible was about to be. That album would've took him through 3 years and it was promising to be even more massive than it was. Things really looked dim for Mike and it got even worse from there.

Well Mike was the cash cow, and about to become a free agent when all of this went down with his 'Invincible' album.

What do you mean by that? Michael had to damn spend money to get that album out there. Sony limited the promotion for Invincible. The momentum slowed for that album solely because of the media making Michael out to be this "mad man" for going out of a rampage about Tommy and what he was doing. Maybe it wasn't the smartest thing for Michael to do at that point, but it turned out to be all true in the end.

Cloudbuster said:

Timmy84 said:

Not that I'm saying you're wrong, silverchild, but if he was blackballed as you say, how come he was still making top ten hits into 2001?

You gotta admit that by 2001 there had been a near 15 year media crusade to undermine his achievements and smear his character. His every movement was attacked, his music disparaged and he was reduced to nothing but a caricature which inevitably he was forced to become.

He was "strange", and so were his fans as far as the wider world was concerned. He was an object of ridicule with very few willing to understand what had happened to him and why.

And this was reflected at radio, particulary in the US by the mid nineties. He was still having hits pretty much everywhere else in the world but US radio tuned him out. And the UK "news" papers were especially hostile by that point, the only thing he was worth by then was a good ol' fashioned rubbernecking, uncooth species that we are.

They wanted him ruined and they got their wish. It became embarrassing to be a Michael Jackson fan. "Oh my God! You like HIM?!!"

His work still garnered sales and airplay but there had been a steady decline post Bad with "crazy" Michael stories taking precendence over any value his music may have had.

You've only gotta remind yourself of the shit that was said about him by many here on the org prior to his death to know that this is true.

silverchild said:

angel345 said:

Well Mike was the cash cow, and about to become a free agent when all of this went down with his 'Invincible' album.

What do you mean by that? Michael had to damn spend money to get that album out there. Sony limited the promotion for Invincible. The momentum slowed for that album solely because of the media making Michael out to be this "mad man" for going out of a rampage about Tommy and what he was doing. Maybe it wasn't the smartest thing for Michael to do at that point, but it turned out to be all true in the end.

Let me make this simple: Sony didn't want to see him go. His contract was up, and he wanted to go. They wasn't having it, so they gave hinm hell. The source: Micheal Jackson. Got it?

angel345 said:

silverchild said:

What do you mean by that? Michael had to damn spend money to get that album out there. Sony limited the promotion for Invincible. The momentum slowed for that album solely because of the media making Michael out to be this "mad man" for going out of a rampage about Tommy and what he was doing. Maybe it wasn't the smartest thing for Michael to do at that point, but it turned out to be all true in the end.

Let me make this simple: Sony didn't want to see him go. His contract was up, and he wanted to go. They wasn't having it, so they gave hinm hell. The source: Micheal Jackson. Got it?

Sony was always giving him hell. In the end, it was at its breaking point. True, he wanted to go, but it was Michael who wanted an early exit from his contract. So, technically, it wasn't up.

Honestly, this wasn't just about an album or contract. This was about Michael wanting licensing from Sony.

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silverchild said:

angel345 said:

Let me make this simple: Sony didn't want to see him go. His contract was up, and he wanted to go. They wasn't having it, so they gave hinm hell. The source: Micheal Jackson. Got it?

Sony was always giving him hell. In the end, it was at its breaking point. True, he wanted to go, but it was Michael who wanted an early exit from his contract. So, technically, it wasn't up.

Honestly, this wasn't just about an album or contract. This was about Michael wanting licensing from Sony.

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http://www.youtube.com/wa...r6CRcrQxDw

Cloudbuster said:

Timmy84 said:

Not that I'm saying you're wrong, silverchild, but if he was blackballed as you say, how come he was still making top ten hits into 2001?

You gotta admit that by 2001 there had been a near 15 year media crusade to undermine his achievements and smear his character. His every movement was attacked, his music disparaged and he was reduced to nothing but a caricature which inevitably he was forced to become.

He was "strange", and so were his fans as far as the wider world was concerned. He was an object of ridicule with very few willing to understand what had happened to him and why.

And this was reflected at radio, particulary in the US by the mid nineties. He was still having hits pretty much everywhere else in the world but US radio tuned him out. And the UK "news" papers were especially hostile by that point, the only thing he was worth by then was a good ol' fashioned rubbernecking, uncooth species that we are.

They wanted him ruined and they got their wish. It became embarrassing to be a Michael Jackson fan. "Oh my God! You like HIM?!!"

His work still garnered sales and airplay but there had been a steady decline post Bad with "crazy" Michael stories taking precendence over any value his music may have had.

You've only gotta remind yourself of the shit that was said about him by many here on the org prior to his death to know that this is true.

Funny thing for me is 2001 is actually when I became a hardcore fan of his.

I can't believe June 25th in right around the corner...and he's been out of our lives for three years

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

I can't believe June 25th in right around the corner...and he's been out of our lives for three years

Yes I know it really sucks.

They'll air This is it and some other Michael Jackson documentaries on TV, which is good. Also on VH1 europe, they're having an hour "Michael Jackson weekend" special. So he's being honored but it feels so strange !!!!!!!! Why MICHAEL

I celebrate June 25th. I don't mourn it. He transcended...

Timmy84 said:

I celebrate June 25th. I don't mourn it. He transcended...

Yep ! It just really sucks that I never could attend any of his live shows and This is it was gonna be my chance ! However I always celebrate his musical and humanitarian legacy

Timmy84 said:

I celebrate June 25th. I don't mourn it. He transcended...

That's how I look at it now. I guess i'll have a michael marathon this week I haven't watched or listen to him in a good while.

Timmy84 said:

I celebrate June 25th. I don't mourn it. He transcended...

Well said. I marvel at the man's genius everyday. Those three years have went by way too fast.

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I am currently watching 39 minutes of 'Ghost'

[Edited 6/23/12 21:36pm]

I went to Walmart the other day,and did'nt see the Single Cd anywhere. I also have not seen the Pepsi cans at any of the stores.

Here's a few PRO QUALITY snippets from Victory in honor of Michael. These weren't supposed to be uploaded on YT but some people are hardheaded

Thanks Jeff for sharing

I LOVE YOU MICHAEL God Bless you...

mjscarousal said:

I LOVE YOU MICHAEL God Bless you...

Ditto

Just watching Living With Michael Jackson here on Local TV suffering cause it's dubbed to make him look like a total idiot, sometimes wrongly translated and edited in a new way. It makes me wanna throw up. I just sent them a letter of complaint.

dag said:

Just watching Living With Michael Jackson here on Local TV suffering cause it's dubbed to make him look like a total idiot, sometimes wrongly translated and edited in a new way. It makes me wanna throw up. I just sent them a letter of complaint.

They still air that on television? That's sickening...

I always thought this was one of the best Michael documentaries that came out in 09.

silverchild said:

dag said:

Just watching Living With Michael Jackson here on Local TV suffering cause it's dubbed to make him look like a total idiot, sometimes wrongly translated and edited in a new way. It makes me wanna throw up. I just sent them a letter of complaint.

They still air that on television? That's sickening...

Sick, isn't it?

Could you guys help me? What does the mayor in Ghost say? The line I don't understand goes "Don't force us............ Because we will if we have to." What are the missing words?

dag said:

silverchild said:

They still air that on television? That's sickening...

Sick, isn't it?

Could you guys help me? What does the mayor in Ghost say? The line I don't understand goes "Don't force us............ Because we will if we have to." What are the missing words?

to get rough with you?

An news on the tracklist of the second disc of Bad 25?

Nvncible1 said:

dag said:

Sick, isn't it?

Could you guys help me? What does the mayor in Ghost say? The line I don't understand goes "Don't force us............ Because we will if we have to." What are the missing words?

to get rough with you?

Thanks.

mikematronik said:

An news on the tracklist of the second disc of Bad 25?

Nops havent heard much

So what opinions do ya'll have on the work the estate has done the past 3 years? So far we've had This is it documentary, This is it album (with she's out of my life demo, planet earth demo and The song This is it) Michael album(with some new songs and some fake ones lol), Michael Jackson The immortal cirque de soleil tour + album. This year BAD 25, new cd with demos + bad 88 tour .

GoldDolphin said:

So what opinions do ya'll have on the work the estate has done the past 3 years? So far we've had This is it documentary, This is it album (with she's out of my life demo, planet earth demo and The song This is it) Michael album(with some new songs and some fake ones lol), Michael Jackson The immortal cirque de soleil tour + album. This year BAD 25, new cd with demos + bad 88 tour .

I'm just gonna say this: kudos to Motown/Universal because they have preserved Mike's legacy far more better than others. We usually bat an eye to Motown's crazy history here on the org all the time, but what a bang-up job they have done!

- Hello World: The Motown Solo Collection

- Jackson 5 : I Want You Back! (The Unreleased Masters)

- Jackson 5 : Live at the Forum

- Jackson 5 : Looking Through The Windows/Skywriter/G.I.T.: Get It Together/Dancing Machine/Moving Violation reissues

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silverchild said:

GoldDolphin said:

So what opinions do ya'll have on the work the estate has done the past 3 years? So far we've had This is it documentary, This is it album (with she's out of my life demo, planet earth demo and The song This is it) Michael album(with some new songs and some fake ones lol), Michael Jackson The immortal cirque de soleil tour + album. This year BAD 25, new cd with demos + bad 88 tour .

I'm just gonna say this: kudos to Motown/Universal because they have preserved Mike's legacy far more better than others. We usually bat an eye to Motown's crazy history here on the org all the time, but what a bang-up job they have done!

- Hello World: The Motown Solo Collection

- Jackson 5 : I Want You Back! (The Unreleased Masters)

- Jackson 5 : Live at the Forum

- Jackson 5 : Looking Through The Windows/Skywriter/G.I.T.: Get It Together/Dancing Machine/Moving Violation reissues

[Edited 6/24/12 15:22pm]

I agree, I was gonna mention them. Now they just need to release some damn tour videos as well, isn't kinda crazy that there isnt any offical Jackson 5 footage? :O

GoldDolphin said:

silverchild said:

I'm just gonna say this: kudos to Motown/Universal because they have preserved Mike's legacy far more better than others. We usually bat an eye to Motown's crazy history here on the org all the time, but what a bang-up job they have done!

- Hello World: The Motown Solo Collection

- Jackson 5 : I Want You Back! (The Unreleased Masters)

- Jackson 5 : Live at the Forum

- Jackson 5 : Looking Through The Windows/Skywriter/G.I.T.: Get It Together/Dancing Machine/Moving Violation reissues

[Edited 6/24/12 15:22pm]

I agree, I was gonna mention them. Now they just need to release some damn tour videos as well, isn't kinda crazy that there isnt any offical Jackson 5 footage? :O

I have a rare VHS tape of Jackson 5 concerts from 1970 and 1974. The 1974 segment is actually the Africa documentary that is currently trying to get the greeen light for release. So proud I have the entire thing.

But yes, tour videos will be nice at this point. They went all out for the Live at the Forum collection.