lastdecember said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Hey but you never know.......

Not to long ago people said Mariah was through and then she released a HUGER THEN HUGE single and it was over from there. Yes before you all attack me i know Mariah was around longer, but my point is she could come with a huge single out of nowhere and dominate the charts. You never know...

but the term OVER to me means you dont record anymore, not anything to do with Chart Success, we can say her "honeymoon" period is long over (mariah that is) but she has a solid base of fans, is she gonna top charts, possibly, but she aint going sell millions of albums anymore, thats OVER, and its over for most, lets be real on that. Bruce Springsteen just debuted at number with 195,000 albums, that album probably when all is said and done, wont pass 600, 700 thousand overall, so is Bruce "OVER" i mean really we have to be able to seperate OVER and just not recording anymore.

As for Mariah, i dont doubt her having a hit single up her sleeve, she is smarter than most give her credit for, and she is also about 11 years younger than Madonna, that is Huge, plus Mariah still has a pretty good radio support, madonna really doesnt, especially with this album, you most likely arent gonna see a radio hit from Madonna for the most part, is gonna be all about the full album, as it should be at this point for her, she isnt rihanna or katy perry, deal with it

wtf dude? why are you being rude to me i didn't say a damn thing about Madonna.

Gunsnhalen said:

lastdecember said:

but the term OVER to me means you dont record anymore, not anything to do with Chart Success, we can say her "honeymoon" period is long over (mariah that is) but she has a solid base of fans, is she gonna top charts, possibly, but she aint going sell millions of albums anymore, thats OVER, and its over for most, lets be real on that. Bruce Springsteen just debuted at number with 195,000 albums, that album probably when all is said and done, wont pass 600, 700 thousand overall, so is Bruce "OVER" i mean really we have to be able to seperate OVER and just not recording anymore.

As for Mariah, i dont doubt her having a hit single up her sleeve, she is smarter than most give her credit for, and she is also about 11 years younger than Madonna, that is Huge, plus Mariah still has a pretty good radio support, madonna really doesnt, especially with this album, you most likely arent gonna see a radio hit from Madonna for the most part, is gonna be all about the full album, as it should be at this point for her, she isnt rihanna or katy perry, deal with it

wtf dude? why are you being rude to me i didn't say a damn thing about Madonna.

i didnt see where it was rude, it wasnt aimed at you i was just stating about the term OVER that everyone uses, to me OVER is what Michael Jackson is, since he is dead, the Beatles are OVER, if you still record, tour, etc..you arent over, this was not aimed at you but everyone that uses the term over. People said Van Halen were over, now that album like Bruce's debuted high but wont sell a million by any means in the states, by everyone's standard here, they are over? thats all im saying and my apologies to you it was by no means meant to offend.,

I would hardly consider GaGa to be ovah right now. She's been in the public eye since late 2008 and The Fame album; then she released The Fame Monster EP in 2010 and Born This Way in 2011. She's probably working on a new album right now and should release it later this year.

born this way just wasn't that good an album. i totally appreciate that she took her

music in another direction. but i just don't like that direction.

the fame and most of the fame monster were just fun and clever pop songs with a

twist. great melodies and catchy hooks.

i also liked her whole look and stage set ups etc etc during that era. in fact, there

wasn't anything that bothered me about her at all, i liked everything.

then came born this way and i was like "uhm.....ok"

only listened to the album about 5 times just to give it a try and see if there wasn't

anything i'd missed or if it just hadn't clicked with me.

there are some nice songs on there, but as a whole, it's a mess and it drove a lot

of her momentum right down into the ground.

on top of that, the look she's had for most of this 'era' has been horrible.

IstenSzek said:

born this way just wasn't that good an album. i totally appreciate that she took her

music in another direction. but i just don't like that direction.

the fame and most of the fame monster were just fun and clever pop songs with a

twist. great melodies and catchy hooks.

i also liked her whole look and stage set ups etc etc during that era. in fact, there

wasn't anything that bothered me about her at all, i liked everything.

then came born this way and i was like "uhm.....ok"

only listened to the album about 5 times just to give it a try and see if there wasn't

anything i'd missed or if it just hadn't clicked with me.

there are some nice songs on there, but as a whole, it's a mess and it drove a lot

of her momentum right down into the ground.

on top of that, the look she's had for most of this 'era' has been horrible.

I actually hate The Fame and love BTW and FM. Even though FM is just an EP I still love it and BTW is great as well.

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Oh yeah, definitely not a pretty girl.

aardvark15 said:

Blame Adele. Hopefully though we'll get another album in 2013.

Blame Adele?? I think we should all thank her instead.

SoulAlive said:

dm3857 said:

why do you think that is though?

These days,it's just harder to hold the public's attention.Fans are extremely fickle.Back in the day,there was a such thing as "fan loyalty".Nowadays,people move on very quickly.I honestly don't think that any of these newer artists will have the same longevity that Prince,Madonna and Michael had.

There will never be acts like this again.

They are legends... Like another poster said, you be lucky if you had a 10 year career but that is not saying a whole lot or should be applauded. The music industry is not how it use to be and artists are not innovative. It is much harder to get the publics attentiion because everything has been done or people are just rebelling and listening to the music THEY want and not relying on the radio...

Grown people 40s-60s and even some 30s are not listening to the mainstream radio... its the oldies or gospel station... the contemporary artists they are listening to are Maxwell, Mint, Kelly, Jill, Musiq, etc

And even people my age now are not listening to the radio and listening to older music because the music on the radio is shit.... or just listening to other genres....

It seems this era is more interested in exploring other avenues of music. Of course not everyone is but its definitly alot more than before...

Spinlight said:

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Oh yeah, definitely not a pretty girl.

Gaga MAKES herself look ugly with the excessive makeup, over the top hair dues and tacky clothing. I dont think shes un attractive either but she does make herself look ugly... alot.

Empress said:

aardvark15 said:

Blame Adele. Hopefully though we'll get another album in 2013.

Blame Adele?? I think we should all thank her instead.

Not when you love Gaga...

I'm assuming - those that think she's over aren't really paying attention; because the noise has shifted from North America to other parts of the world - where she's performing almost every night between April and July - BEFORE announcing the leg of her Fall 2012/13 tour. There's more to this world that the good ole USA and there's more to this woman that music. She SHOULD slow it down - but can't.

I know she's made a pretty penny.

She's made all that money and doesn't even have a house yet lol. Talk about being tight.

Red said:

I'm assuming - those that think she's over aren't really paying attention; because the noise has shifted from North America to other parts of the world - where she's performing almost every night between April and July - BEFORE announcing the leg of her Fall 2012/13 tour. There's more to this world that the good ole USA and there's more to this woman that music. She SHOULD slow it down - but can't.

Read: title of thread

IstenSzek said:

born this way just wasn't that good an album. i totally appreciate that she took her

music in another direction. but i just don't like that direction.

the fame and most of the fame monster were just fun and clever pop songs with a

twist. great melodies and catchy hooks.

i also liked her whole look and stage set ups etc etc during that era. in fact, there

wasn't anything that bothered me about her at all, i liked everything.

then came born this way and i was like "uhm.....ok"

only listened to the album about 5 times just to give it a try and see if there wasn't

anything i'd missed or if it just hadn't clicked with me.

there are some nice songs on there, but as a whole, it's a mess and it drove a lot

of her momentum right down into the ground.

on top of that, the look she's had for most of this 'era' has been horrible.

I prefer the born this way era a hell of a lot more then the fame era, fame monster era was alright but with born this way I feel shes making some of her best songs, I would (if made to chose) the born this way album over anything else so far, and I also love the imagery shes chosing for this album the whole black & white images and her outfits have been amazing.

mjscarousal said:

SoulAlive said:

These days,it's just harder to hold the public's attention.Fans are extremely fickle.Back in the day,there was a such thing as "fan loyalty".Nowadays,people move on very quickly.I honestly don't think that any of these newer artists will have the same longevity that Prince,Madonna and Michael had.

There will never be acts like this again.

They are legends... Like another poster said, you be lucky if you had a 10 year career but that is not saying a whole lot or should be applauded. The music industry is not how it use to be and artists are not innovative. It is much harder to get the publics attentiion because everything has been done or people are just rebelling and listening to the music THEY want and not relying on the radio...

Grown people 40s-60s and even some 30s are not listening to the mainstream radio... its the oldies or gospel station... the contemporary artists they are listening to are Maxwell, Mint, Kelly, Jill, Musiq, etc

And even people my age now are not listening to the radio and listening to older music because the music on the radio is shit.... or just listening to other genres....

It seems this era is more interested in exploring other avenues of music. Of course not everyone is but its definitly alot more than before...

i feel ya, but idk.. i would like to think that music is still evolving and there is still much more for artist to create and innovate.. but at the same time i ask myself, what hasnt already been done before? of coarse, we will always have "big names" in music. but do you believe we will ever have a performer on the level of say Michael or Elvis.. is there really anything else that can be done?

mjscarousal said:

SoulAlive said:

These days,it's just harder to hold the public's attention.Fans are extremely fickle.Back in the day,there was a such thing as "fan loyalty".Nowadays,people move on very quickly.I honestly don't think that any of these newer artists will have the same longevity that Prince,Madonna and Michael had.

There will never be acts like this again.

They are legends... Like another poster said, you be lucky if you had a 10 year career but that is not saying a whole lot or should be applauded. The music industry is not how it use to be and artists are not innovative. It is much harder to get the publics attentiion because everything has been done or people are just rebelling and listening to the music THEY want and not relying on the radio...

Grown people 40s-60s and even some 30s are not listening to the mainstream radio... its the oldies or gospel station... the contemporary artists they are listening to are Maxwell, Mint, Kelly, Jill, Musiq, etc

And even people my age now are not listening to the radio and listening to older music because the music on the radio is shit.... or just listening to other genres....

It seems this era is more interested in exploring other avenues of music. Of course not everyone is but its definitly alot more than before...

I was in Harlem yesterday and I was over at a vendor table - this woman was selling Oldies Music and this kid, teenager...maybe 15-17 comes up with his father I guess and I over-hear the dad saying "You never heard of the Temptations?" And the kid shakes his head and they walk away.

dm3857 said:

mjscarousal said:

There will never be acts like this again.

They are legends... Like another poster said, you be lucky if you had a 10 year career but that is not saying a whole lot or should be applauded. The music industry is not how it use to be and artists are not innovative. It is much harder to get the publics attentiion because everything has been done or people are just rebelling and listening to the music THEY want and not relying on the radio...

Grown people 40s-60s and even some 30s are not listening to the mainstream radio... its the oldies or gospel station... the contemporary artists they are listening to are Maxwell, Mint, Kelly, Jill, Musiq, etc

And even people my age now are not listening to the radio and listening to older music because the music on the radio is shit.... or just listening to other genres....

It seems this era is more interested in exploring other avenues of music. Of course not everyone is but its definitly alot more than before...

i feel ya, but idk.. i would like to think that music is still evolving and there is still much more for artist to create and innovate.. but at the same time i ask myself, what hasnt already been done before? of coarse, we will always have "big names" in music. but do you believe we will ever have a performer on the level of say Michael or Elvis.. is there really anything else that can be done?

I am not sure if this was meant to be rhetorical but no.... and that is OKAY

There is NO one out NOW on the LEVEL of MJs talent of performers and that is okay.... Those performers are once in a lifetime, generation etc... Alot of todays performers just repeat whats already been done and alot of them arent good. I have yet to be BLOWN away or mesmerized by any of these performers out now... no one.

People want that void filled and they think that everyone will be a legend or will be great and that is not so.... There are alot of artists that I enjoy currently but they will never be legends not necessarily because their music isnt good but because their not innovative or have contributed something that hasnt been done already.... There is MORE to that status and level than just making good music..... there is more to that status than just being a good performer...

musicjunky318 said:

mjscarousal said:

There will never be acts like this again.

They are legends... Like another poster said, you be lucky if you had a 10 year career but that is not saying a whole lot or should be applauded. The music industry is not how it use to be and artists are not innovative. It is much harder to get the publics attentiion because everything has been done or people are just rebelling and listening to the music THEY want and not relying on the radio...

Grown people 40s-60s and even some 30s are not listening to the mainstream radio... its the oldies or gospel station... the contemporary artists they are listening to are Maxwell, Mint, Kelly, Jill, Musiq, etc

And even people my age now are not listening to the radio and listening to older music because the music on the radio is shit.... or just listening to other genres....

It seems this era is more interested in exploring other avenues of music. Of course not everyone is but its definitly alot more than before...

I was in Harlem yesterday and I was over at a vendor table - this woman was selling Oldies Music and this kid, teenager...maybe 15-17 comes up with his father I guess and I over-hear the dad saying "You never heard of the Temptations?" And the kid shakes his head and they walk away.

I said that wasnt for all cases... I didnt say ALL teenagers or children in the world. Things like that makes me REALLY sad...

[Edited 3/19/12 14:47pm]

mjscarousal said:

dm3857 said:

i feel ya, but idk.. i would like to think that music is still evolving and there is still much more for artist to create and innovate.. but at the same time i ask myself, what hasnt already been done before? of coarse, we will always have "big names" in music. but do you believe we will ever have a performer on the level of say Michael or Elvis.. is there really anything else that can be done?

I am not sure if this was meant to be rhetorical but no.... and that is OKAY

There is NO one out NOW on the LEVEL of MJs talent of performers and that is okay.... Those performers are once in a lifetime, generation etc... Alot of todays performers just repeat whats already been done and alot of them arent good. I have yet to be BLOWN away or mesmerized by any of these performers out now... no one.

People want that void filled and they think that everyone will be a legend or will be great and that is not so.... There are alot of artists that I enjoy currently but they will never be legends not necessarily because their music isnt good but because their not innovative or have contributed something that hasnt been done already.... There is MORE to that status and level than just making good music..... there is more to that status than just being a good performer...

hahahahahahahhaha

oh gurl u trippin

hoooo i needed that

Spinlight said:

mjscarousal said:

I am not sure if this was meant to be rhetorical but no.... and that is OKAY

There is NO one out NOW on the LEVEL of MJs talent of performers and that is okay.... Those performers are once in a lifetime, generation etc... Alot of todays performers just repeat whats already been done and alot of them arent good. I have yet to be BLOWN away or mesmerized by any of these performers out now... no one.

People want that void filled and they think that everyone will be a legend or will be great and that is not so.... There are alot of artists that I enjoy currently but they will never be legends not necessarily because their music isnt good but because their not innovative or have contributed something that hasnt been done already.... There is MORE to that status and level than just making good music..... there is more to that status than just being a good performer...

hahahahahahahhaha

oh gurl u trippin

hoooo i needed that

WHO?

Because now your the one showing just how much a ignorant fool you are.... CRACK IS WACK

Dont fuck with me today, you will get cussed out tired of ur troll behind..

[Edited 3/19/12 14:56pm]

For having so much hype and shit around it I will say BTW's numbers are a little dissapointing. Did it even hit 3 million in the U.S.? It seems after Judas everything just sank.

musicjunky318 said:

For having so much hype and shit around it I will say BTW's numbers are a little dissapointing. Did it even hit 3 million in the U.S.? It seems after Judas everything just sank.

Records simply don't sell anymore, period.

The Fame (including sales packaged w/ TFM): 3 mil

The Fame Monster (standalone sales): 1 mil

Born This Way: 2 mil

All US figures.

[Edited 3/19/12 14:58pm]

mjscarousal said:

Spinlight said:

hahahahahahahhaha

oh gurl u trippin

hoooo i needed that

WHO?

Because now your the one showing just how much a ignorant fool you are.... CRACK IS WACK

Dont fuck with me today, you will get cussed out tired of ur troll behind..

[Edited 3/19/12 14:56pm]

You're a child and ya don't scare anyone on the org. So take a note from Bobby Brown and Cool It Now before you lose control.

Anyway, your original statement was bogus so I laughed at it. An MJ stan who thinks MJ is the be all end all? Natch.

Spinlight said:

musicjunky318 said:

For having so much hype and shit around it I will say BTW's numbers are a little dissapointing. Did it even hit 3 million in the U.S.? It seems after Judas everything just sank.

Records simply don't sell anymore, period.

The Fame (including sales packaged w/ TFM): 3 mil

The Fame Monster (standalone sales): 1 mil

Born This Way: 2 mil

All US figures.

[Edited 3/19/12 14:58pm]

Adele & Taylor Swift have 5 million+ selling albums. Why can't Gaga reach those numbers with all her hype????

Spinlight said:

mjscarousal said:

WHO?

Because now your the one showing just how much a ignorant fool you are.... CRACK IS WACK

Dont fuck with me today, you will get cussed out tired of ur troll behind..

[Edited 3/19/12 14:56pm]

You're a child and ya don't scare anyone on the org. So take a note from Bobby Brown and Cool It Now before you lose control.

Anyway, your original statement was bogus so I laughed at it. An MJ stan who thinks MJ is the be all end all? Natch.

LOL.... you are something else....

Firstly YOURE the child..

Second, YOU REPLIED to me

If you cant take the shit your stir then SHUT THE FUCK UP... YOU WANT attention and you like to argue with people...

you instigate shit and then question why someone bitches at you. I'm not here to scare anyone or to intimidate anyone unlike you TRY to do on here but all it does it makes you look like the toddler...

I said there is no one out NOW CURRENTLY OF THIS GENERATION that is on the level of MJ PERFORMANCES wise AND THERE ISNT... That in no way implied he was the end of all of everything... There is no one on the talent of Stevie Wonder of this generation, James Brown etc... I used Michael because the poster above me implied THE SAME THING DUMBASS..

mjscarousal said:

Spinlight said:

You're a child and ya don't scare anyone on the org. So take a note from Bobby Brown and Cool It Now before you lose control.

Anyway, your original statement was bogus so I laughed at it. An MJ stan who thinks MJ is the be all end all? Natch.

LOL.... you are something else....

Firstly YOURE the child..

Second, YOU REPLIED to me

If you cant take the shit your stir then SHUT THE FUCK UP... YOU WANT attention and you like to argue with people...

you instigate shit and then question why someone bitches at you. I'm not here to scare anyone or to intimidate anyone unlike you TRY to do on here but all it does it makes you look like the toddler...

I said there is no one out NOW CURRENTLY OF THIS GENERATION that is on the level of MJ PERFORMANCES wise AND THERE ISNT... That in no way implied he was the end of all of everything... There is no one on the talent of Stevie Wonder of this generation, James Brown etc... I used Michael because the poster above me implied THE SAME THING DUMBASS..

No, as in child, I mean your age. You're young. A child. A baby. Your behavior? Dunno what you want to call that.

Quit yammering so much, cuz I'm not reading all that crap. I disagree with your assessment about the current level of talent in the industry.

You don't need to feel compelled to reply. I could not care less if you do or don't.

Spinlight said:

mjscarousal said:

LOL.... you are something else....

Firstly YOURE the child..

Second, YOU REPLIED to me

If you cant take the shit your stir then SHUT THE FUCK UP... YOU WANT attention and you like to argue with people...

you instigate shit and then question why someone bitches at you. I'm not here to scare anyone or to intimidate anyone unlike you TRY to do on here but all it does it makes you look like the toddler...

I said there is no one out NOW CURRENTLY OF THIS GENERATION that is on the level of MJ PERFORMANCES wise AND THERE ISNT... That in no way implied he was the end of all of everything... There is no one on the talent of Stevie Wonder of this generation, James Brown etc... I used Michael because the poster above me implied THE SAME THING DUMBASS..

No, as in child, I mean your age. You're young. A child. A baby. Your behavior? Dunno what you want to call that.

Quit yammering so much, cuz I'm not reading all that crap. I disagree with your assessment about the current level of talent in the industry.

You don't need to feel compelled to reply. I could not care less if you do or don't.

So? And your old as hell acting like your 4 years old just to stir up shit...

Now you and me both know what group of artists Im speaking on.

I am not speaking on the non commercial artists (Mint, Erykah, etc).... Im primarily talking about mainstream performers like Gaga, Beyonce, Rihanna, Chris etc.. AKA mainstream performers pushed in the forefront and marketed 24/7 as being the shit when their really overrated hacks... YOU and ME both know their not on a MJ level of talent or performer wise SO WHY are you arguing with me?

You make yourself look like a complete fool EVERY SINGLE TIME

Lastly,

I dont give a fuck if Michael Jackson is or is not your favorite artist. I dont care if you are a stan or not BUT its rather TIRED and beyond IMMATURE that you bash the MJ fans here JUST because your not a stan..

GROW UP

The End.

musicjunky318 said:

Spinlight said:

Records simply don't sell anymore, period.

The Fame (including sales packaged w/ TFM): 3 mil

The Fame Monster (standalone sales): 1 mil

Born This Way: 2 mil

All US figures.

[Edited 3/19/12 14:58pm]

Adele & Taylor Swift have 5 million+ selling albums. Why can't Gaga reach those numbers with all her hype????

Because her demographic is not as wide as Adele's and Taylor Swift's. There's still people who can pull five, six million just on how to please the demographic their audiences are under. The fact that Gaga, a dance-pop artist in 2012, is still pulling in 2, 3 million is amazing IMHO. I'd brag about three million my damn self.

mjscarousal said:

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You must need a nap!

Damn! I can only hope this heffa is so done Meat outfits I mean really