SoulAlive said:

vainandy said:

Hell, the majority of men I've slept with have been "Secret Lovers" (on their part, not mine, because I don't give a damn what anybody thinks of me) so I can fully understand the lyrics. However, like I always say, lyrics don't mean shit to me if the instruments and melody sounds like shit because that's what makes a song a "song" instead of just a "story". The "sound" of the song sounds like pure adult contemporary crossover which is a sound that I hate with a passion.

I agree,it's the sound/production of "Secret Lovers" that sucks It was their first real 'pop' song and for me,it was hard to accept this type of sound from the same band that gave us "Let's Get Closer" just a few years earlier.

Exactly.

Timmy84 said:

daPrettyman said:

I wonder why they didn't point out that the song "Love Crazy" was a top 10 r&b hit? They also overlooked "Unconditional" from the same project. The "Love Crazy" project did a hell of a lot better than "We're Moving Up," but they didn't make it seem that way.

Unsung has always been a bit inaccurate and sometimes rushing throughout the biographies of their subjects.

How well do I know.

babybugz said:

scriptgirl said:

Atlantic Starr, Starpoint and Midnight Star were all interchangeable to me

Atlantic Starr was the better and most memorable out of those groups.

Starpoint had the MONSTER VOCALS of Renee Diggs (R.I.P.) She could BLOW! Belinda Lipscomb (Midnight Star) was okay, but Sharon Bryant was smooooooooooooooooooooooooth!

One interesting thing I did learn last night was the fact that Sharon was originally supposed to be on "As The Band Turns." I don't remember them saying she recorded any songs for that album, though. It would have been interesting to hear her sing "Secret Lovers," "If Your Heart Isn't In It" and "Silver Shadow."

bboy87 said:

From looking at the special, I got the impression that while the Lewis brothers became the creative force behind the group, they were also the ones who fucked up and caused it to fall apart. They wanted the spotlight and the royalties and that caused the grew to lose many of it's original members and keep watering down their sound

What I felt was not cool about this episode was that they didn't talk about the members who left. Once they got to "As The Band Turns", it was no more mention of the other guys and their careers afterwards. Sharon Bryant's solo project got a brief mention but that's it. WTF?

I know right. I didn't know there were so many female leads in that group lol. And it honestly really wasn't a boring episode it just wasn't juicy (like finding if someone was gay , who got beat up , who fucked who type of episode) They did have some good songs (a lot of the ones that weren't singles)

love atlantic starr , still a bit peed off theres no remaster of 'when the band turns' cd yet? as the original cd is so quiet?

i need that remastered 'silver shadow' original and not the crappy remix that always appears on all the hits cds

vainandy said:

The "sound" of the song sounds like pure adult contemporary crossover which is a sound that I hate with a passion.

I think the main reason why I have a high tolarance for the adult contemporary sound is because I was born in 1979 so in the 80's I was little kid and next to Hip-Hop/R&B that was the main music playing on the radio by the time I got to 2nd grade in 86. I can never hate Whitney she's part of my youth

Timmy84 said:

daPrettyman said:

I wonder why they didn't point out that the song "Love Crazy" was a top 10 r&b hit? They also overlooked "Unconditional" from the same project. The "Love Crazy" project did a hell of a lot better than "We're Moving Up," but they didn't make it seem that way.

Unsung has always been a bit inaccurate and sometimes rushing throughout the biographies of their subjects.

makes u wonder what they are gonna do with sheila's

What the fuck was up with Wayne and that flip up bob on the Love Crazy

album? Was he inspired by the dude from Damian Dane?

I don't remember any of the members that came in after Barbara Weathers. It's terrible what happened with her money too.

phunkdaddy said:

What the fuck was up with Wayne and that flip up bob on the Love Crazy

album? Was he inspired by the dude from Damian Dane?

I didn't get it either.

Harlepolis said:

1sotrue said:

Looking forward to this episode but I wonder if they interview Sharon Bryant as well. I guess the better question to ask is who was the better lead singer for the group Sharon or Barbara?

I have to go with Barbara Weather.

Miss Bryant, in a heartbeat.

Second THAT!!!! Sharon had MORE Soul, and Barbara was ALL Sheen!!!!!!

daPrettyman said:

I wonder why they didn't point out that the song "Love Crazy" was a top 10 r&b hit? They also overlooked "Unconditional" from the same project. The "Love Crazy" project did a hell of a lot better than "We're Moving Up," but they didn't make it seem that way.

I thought they kind of went after that Soul 2 Soul sound with Love Crazy much like

the pared down lineup of Klymaxx did with Good Love in the early nineties.

phunkdaddy said:

What the fuck was up with Wayne and that flip up bob on the Love Crazy

album? Was he inspired by the dude from Damian Dane?

What about the fact that Wayne and David were these clones of Tubbs from Miami Vice yet the other brother looked nothing like them

bboy87 said:

phunkdaddy said:

What the fuck was up with Wayne and that flip up bob on the Love Crazy

album? Was he inspired by the dude from Damian Dane?

What about the fact that Wayne and David were these clones of Tubbs from Miami Vice yet the other brother looked nothing like them

That's similar to what I said in my post (reply #32)!!!!!

[Edited 1/18/12 4:49am]

Musicslave said:

Timmy84 said:

Don't forget "Touch a Four Leaf Clover", their last one that featured Sharon. Honestly, I can't see anybody over 25 bumping "Always", "All in the Name of Love", "Love Crazy" or "Secret Lovers".

You know what Timmy, considering those crossover hits, one might say that they're not really "Unsung." I mean, they had their share of crossover appeal to the masses. They were like the precursor of the LaFace sound that would come later in the 80's.

prodigalfan said:

Musicslave said:

You know what Timmy, considering those crossover hits, one might say that they're not really "Unsung." I mean, they had their share of crossover appeal to the masses. They were like the precursor of the LaFace sound that would come later in the 80's.

Good observation. You know I guess I don't understand the criteria for being considered "unsung" Cause if any RB group was "unsung" it definitely was NOT the Ojays. That is FOR SURE.

I never understood the O'Jays being included.

@ the other brother not looking like the other two. Gotta love us black folks, some of us don't come out with the same complexion. Black is beautiful baby.

phunkdaddy said:

What the fuck was up with Wayne and that flip up bob on the Love Crazy

album? Was he inspired by the dude from Damian Dane?

Maybe they had the same stylist? That was the same era.

prodigalfan said:

Musicslave said:

You know what Timmy, considering those crossover hits, one might say that they're not really "Unsung." I mean, they had their share of crossover appeal to the masses. They were like the precursor of the LaFace sound that would come later in the 80's.

Good observation. You know I guess I don't understand the criteria for being considered "unsung" Cause if any RB group was "unsung" it definitely was NOT the Ojays. That is FOR SURE.

I wouldn't be surprised if Matthew Knowles had something to do with it. They recorded that episode of Unsung when they were on Music World's label.

daPrettyman said:

phunkdaddy said:

What the fuck was up with Wayne and that flip up bob on the Love Crazy

album? Was he inspired by the dude from Damian Dane?

Maybe they had the same stylist? That was the same era.

Good point.

daPrettyman said:

prodigalfan said:

Good observation. You know I guess I don't understand the criteria for being considered "unsung" Cause if any RB group was "unsung" it definitely was NOT the Ojays. That is FOR SURE.

I wouldn't be surprised if Matthew Knowles had something to do with it. They recorded that episode of Unsung when they were on Music World's label.

Oh!

Sharon and Barbara released solo albums. Sharon had a bit of success on her solo effort, but Barbara didn't even have one hit at all.

Musicslave said:

Timmy84 said:

Don't forget "Touch a Four Leaf Clover", their last one that featured Sharon. Honestly, I can't see anybody over 25 bumping "Always", "All in the Name of Love", "Love Crazy" or "Secret Lovers".

You know what Timmy, considering those crossover hits, one might say that they're not really "Unsung." I mean, they had their share of crossover appeal to the masses. They were like the precursor of the LaFace sound that would come later in the 80's.

The difference would be people know who LA Reid and Babyface are. No one outside of

music aficianados knows who the Lewis brothers are. It's like Johnathan stated during

the episode people know the music but don't know them. LA and Babyface can walk

the streets of Atlanta, LA, and New York and most people would instantly recognize

them while the same can't be said of Wayne and David.

phunkdaddy said:

Musicslave said:

You know what Timmy, considering those crossover hits, one might say that they're not really "Unsung." I mean, they had their share of crossover appeal to the masses. They were like the precursor of the LaFace sound that would come later in the 80's.

The difference would be people know who LA Reid and Babyface are. No one outside of

music aficianados knows who the Lewis brothers are. It's like Johnathan stated during

the episode people know the music but don't know them. LA and Babyface can walk

the streets of Atlanta, LA, and New York and most people would instantly recognize

them while the same can't be said of Wayne and David.

True.

phunkdaddy said:

Musicslave said:

You know what Timmy, considering those crossover hits, one might say that they're not really "Unsung." I mean, they had their share of crossover appeal to the masses. They were like the precursor of the LaFace sound that would come later in the 80's.

The difference would be people know who LA Reid and Babyface are. No one outside of

music aficianados knows who the Lewis brothers are. It's like Johnathan stated during

the episode people know the music but don't know them. LA and Babyface can walk

the streets of Atlanta, LA, and New York and most people would instantly recognize

them while the same can't be said of Wayne and David.

Very true. I wonder why they didn't produce and write for more artists. The only one I can remember that they did on the side was "Girl Your Love's So Fine" for the Mac Band's debut album.

daPrettyman said:

phunkdaddy said:

The difference would be people know who LA Reid and Babyface are. No one outside of

music aficianados knows who the Lewis brothers are. It's like Johnathan stated during

the episode people know the music but don't know them. LA and Babyface can walk

the streets of Atlanta, LA, and New York and most people would instantly recognize

them while the same can't be said of Wayne and David.

Very true. I wonder why they didn't produce and write for more artists. The only one I can remember that they did on the side was "Girl Your Love's So Fine" for the Mac Band's debut album.

Why when you mentioned the Mac Band, their song "Roses are Red" popped up in my brain and now I can't get it out?

missfee said:

daPrettyman said:

Very true. I wonder why they didn't produce and write for more artists. The only one I can remember that they did on the side was "Girl Your Love's So Fine" for the Mac Band's debut album.

Why when you mentioned the Mac Band, their song "Roses are Red" popped up in my brain and now I can't get it out?

scriptgirl said:

Atlantic Starr, Starpoint and Midnight Star were all interchangeable to me

they were, werent't they??

to me - especially Atlantic Star & Starpoint..

they were "relatively safe", middle-of-the-road r&b groups that had a string of hits for a while, but with no long-term impact or indluence.. & they normally featured female lead singers..

I will watch Atlantic Star's "unsung" next week

after I'm back home

mltijchr said:

scriptgirl said:

Atlantic Starr, Starpoint and Midnight Star were all interchangeable to me

they were, werent't they??

to me - especially Atlantic Star & Starpoint..

they were "relatively safe", middle-of-the-road r&b groups that had a string of hits for a while, but with no long-term impact or indluence.. & they normally featured female lead singers..

I will watch Atlantic Star's "unsung" next week

after I'm back home

I don't see how you guys came up with that. They were definitely NOT interchangable. Midnight Star and Atlantic Starr had totally different sounds. Midnight Star was more of an electo-funk group, while Atlantic Starr had this "uppity" (for lack of a better term) feel to their songs. I think that was largely due to their producer, James Anthony Carmichael. That was his style. His work with LTD, Commodores and Rockie Robbins all has a different feel to it.

"relatively safe" & "middle of the road"?... has the bar been set so high by some prolific artists that every single other act has to follow those footsteps as well?...

Atlantic Starr, Midnight Star and Starpoint were doing their thing and doing a great job at that one. Talented musicians and singers standing in their own right.

Their catalogues are expanded enough and show they had a good amount of years of releasing their work. Not everyone is blessed with a rich vault such as Prince.