paisleypark4 said:

arX said:

A point worth emphasising alongside the fact that there still exists great music today that people might just need to put some effort to look for amidst the universe of material being constantly published in this modern age (versus the restricted outlets of the past).

Yeah, some people still are lookign for the mainstream to "turn around" but it's not. We have so much access to more now than we ever did to go and look back. Like someone else said not EVERYTHING from the 80's and 90's were good..just as it is today and before.

I remember when someone here said that "not everything that existed before 2000 was all good either" and at the time I almost laughed at what he said but now that I look back, yeah he's right, there were a lot of bad shit even going back to the '60s and '70s in terms of music especially R&B lol

I agree with the basic premise and said something very similar to this at least 3 years ago:

If the rhythm and blues/soul audiences bemoan the state of R&B, they need to know that a prime suspect for its demise is in the mirror.

We make sweeping judgments based on what's playing on the radio, or television. But that judgment is incomplete without initiative. The Web takes away our excuse to FIND WHATEVER WE ARE LOOKING FOR. So when an major label musician isn't selling, it's up to us to support her. If that musician gets dropped by the label, it's up to us to support him independently. And if that artist is unknown, we need to browse and we'll find him, or her, or someone like them.

Your web browser will tell the truth, and it will set you free.

namepeace said:

I agree with the basic premise and said something very similar to this at least 3 years ago:

If the rhythm and blues/soul audiences bemoan the state of R&B, they need to know that a prime suspect for its demise is in the mirror.

We make sweeping judgments based on what's playing on the radio, or television. But that judgment is incomplete without initiative. The Web takes away our excuse to FIND WHATEVER WE ARE LOOKING FOR. So when an major label musician isn't selling, it's up to us to support her. If that musician gets dropped by the label, it's up to us to support him independently. And if that artist is unknown, we need to browse and we'll find him, or her, or someone like them.

Your web browser will tell the truth, and it will set you free.

Cues Michael Jackson's "Man In The Mirror"

namepeace said:

I agree with the basic premise and said something very similar to this at least 3 years ago:

If the rhythm and blues/soul audiences bemoan the state of R&B, they need to know that a prime suspect for its demise is in the mirror.

We make sweeping judgments based on what's playing on the radio, or television. But that judgment is incomplete without initiative. The Web takes away our excuse to FIND WHATEVER WE ARE LOOKING FOR. So when an major label musician isn't selling, it's up to us to support her. If that musician gets dropped by the label, it's up to us to support him independently. And if that artist is unknown, we need to browse and we'll find him, or her, or someone like them.

Your web browser will tell the truth, and it will set you free.

And it's sad to see consumers still begging the radio to change its tune. YOU CAN FORGET ABOUT IT.

namepeace said:

I agree with the basic premise and said something very similar to this at least 3 years ago:

If the rhythm and blues/soul audiences bemoan the state of R&B, they need to know that a prime suspect for its demise is in the mirror.

We make sweeping judgments based on what's playing on the radio, or television. But that judgment is incomplete without initiative. The Web takes away our excuse to FIND WHATEVER WE ARE LOOKING FOR. So when an major label musician isn't selling, it's up to us to support her. If that musician gets dropped by the label, it's up to us to support him independently. And if that artist is unknown, we need to browse and we'll find him, or her, or someone like them.

Your web browser will tell the truth, and it will set you free.

Timmy84 said:

namepeace said:

I agree with the basic premise and said something very similar to this at least 3 years ago:

If the rhythm and blues/soul audiences bemoan the state of R&B, they need to know that a prime suspect for its demise is in the mirror.

We make sweeping judgments based on what's playing on the radio, or television. But that judgment is incomplete without initiative. The Web takes away our excuse to FIND WHATEVER WE ARE LOOKING FOR. So when an major label musician isn't selling, it's up to us to support her. If that musician gets dropped by the label, it's up to us to support him independently. And if that artist is unknown, we need to browse and we'll find him, or her, or someone like them.

Your web browser will tell the truth, and it will set you free.

And it's sad to see consumers still begging the radio to change its tune. YOU CAN FORGET ABOUT IT.

Thats your clue right there. Consumers. True consumers get what they need on tap. Time was you turned on the radio and got R&B, no diggin involved.

The record industry moved on to a new sound and those interested in hits followed. Those who are not either do the moaning you are talking about, because now they are in rehab and know not where to turn (its no use bleating about google either: wrong generation!), or they are connoseurs who go diggin. Fact is though, demand (from the big record company clients) has shifted and therefore the supply drops along with the quality.

R Kelly was a a one man R&B industry for a while there (as far as popularity goes). The shift away from the mainstream was kinda gradual, and thats the point: its still out there, it always was and just because the big record companies aint interested dont mean it shouldnt be heard. It just takes an enterprising sort.

A business man would see this as an opportunity, instead of blaming the victims (even if they are pathetic, in a helpless kinda way)

DexterDayglo said:

Timmy84 said:

And it's sad to see consumers still begging the radio to change its tune. YOU CAN FORGET ABOUT IT.

Thats your clue right there. Consumers. True consumers get what they need on tap. Time was you turned on the radio and got R&B, no diggin involved.

The record industry moved on to a new sound and those interested in hits followed. Those who are not either do the moaning you are talking about, because now they are in rehab and know not where to turn (its no use bleating about google either: wrong generation!), or they are connoseurs who go diggin. Fact is though, demand (from the big record company clients) has shifted and therefore the supply drops along with the quality.

R Kelly was a a one man R&B industry for a while there (as far as popularity goes). The shift away from the mainstream was kinda gradual, and thats the point: its still out there, it always was and just because the big record companies aint interested dont mean it shouldnt be heard. It just takes an enterprising sort.

A business man would see this as an opportunity, instead of blaming the victims (even if they are pathetic, in a helpless kinda way)

I agree with everything you wrote but definitely the one in bold.

paisleypark4 said:

enfantdumilieu said:

Prince is R&B and he's popular, isnt he? I love his music and always did. Also, I care a lot about other R&B Artists outthere like BSlade, Secret Rendezvous, Snax, Jamie Lidell etc. ... So this probably makes me an R&B freak ... But I have never followed any Billboard trends as I dont do now, I play what I play and which skin you're in doesnt matter to me .... Black audience, White audience, who cares??

Talking with some sense here..watch out nah. I was just listening to Bslade ont he bus...ooh lawd people are missing out but I dont care...its BEING HEARD.

I too as a kid always followed up on the funk from the 80s more than what was given to me on a platter by the radio. I knew there was so much more..and there still IS!

B. Slade's aMAZINGLY talented, but so was Tonex. LOVE that brotha's brain/musical sense!

whitechocolatebrotha said:

paisleypark4 said:

Talking with some sense here..watch out nah. I was just listening to Bslade ont he bus...ooh lawd people are missing out but I dont care...its BEING HEARD.

I too as a kid always followed up on the funk from the 80s more than what was given to me on a platter by the radio. I knew there was so much more..and there still IS!

B. Slade's aMAZINGLY talented, but so was Tonex. LOVE that brotha's brain/musical sense!

B. Slade's music is just damn good!!!! I applaud him for keeping it gully as the people down south would say.

Love Letter.

neonlights said:

Love Letter.

Have to admit, I love it when he went back to straight R&B. I just hate it when he think he's a "thug"... but Love Letter was a nice step forward.

[Edited 12/13/11 16:16pm]

Timmy84 said:

paisleypark4 said:

Yeah, some people still are lookign for the mainstream to "turn around" but it's not. We have so much access to more now than we ever did to go and look back. Like someone else said not EVERYTHING from the 80's and 90's were good..just as it is today and before.

I remember when someone here said that "not everything that existed before 2000 was all good either" and at the time I almost laughed at what he said but now that I look back, yeah he's right, there were a lot of bad shit even going back to the '60s and '70s in terms of music especially R&B lol

Timmy84 said:

whitechocolatebrotha said:

B. Slade's aMAZINGLY talented, but so was Tonex. LOVE that brotha's brain/musical sense!

B. Slade's music is just damn good!!!! I applaud him for keeping it gully as the people down south would say.

paisleypark4 said:

Timmy84 said:

B. Slade's music is just damn good!!!! I applaud him for keeping it gully as the people down south would say.

Man that new track Ordinary speaks the TRUTH

Yessir. I've played it like 100 times since I heard it.

paisleypark4 said:

Timmy84 said:

I remember when someone here said that "not everything that existed before 2000 was all good either" and at the time I almost laughed at what he said but now that I look back, yeah he's right, there were a lot of bad shit even going back to the '60s and '70s in terms of music especially R&B lol

True man, it is because when we reflect in any subjuct..usually people remember the good and forget the bad.

Right and some others often say "it was an innocent time" but that's because they were kids then, of course they're gonna say it was an "innocent time". People trip me out when they say that, especially on here or TUMBLR or YouTube I'm always seeing that comment and I'm starting to laugh at it. Like it's really comedy lol

Timmy84 said:

paisleypark4 said:

True man, it is because when we reflect in any subjuct..usually people remember the good and forget the bad.

Right and some others often say "it was an innocent time" but that's because they were kids then, of course they're gonna say it was an "innocent time". People trip me out when they say that, especially on here or TUMBLR or YouTube I'm always seeing that comment and I'm starting to laugh at it. Like it's really comedy lol

paisleypark4 said:

Timmy84 said:

Right and some others often say "it was an innocent time" but that's because they were kids then, of course they're gonna say it was an "innocent time". People trip me out when they say that, especially on here or TUMBLR or YouTube I'm always seeing that comment and I'm starting to laugh at it. Like it's really comedy lol

Mmhmm...wasnt nothing Innocent about Icka Prick In my day...as a kid singing I Wanna Sex U Up in the first grade lol

Yanno?!

When I was little, Clarence Carter's "Strokin'" was played around my house and believe me at the age of four I knew exactly what the fuck Clarence was talking about! Innocent my ass!

Timmy84 said:

paisleypark4 said:

Mmhmm...wasnt nothing Innocent about Icka Prick In my day...as a kid singing I Wanna Sex U Up in the first grade lol

Yanno?!

When I was little, Clarence Carter's "Strokin'" was played around my house and believe me at the age of four I knew exactly what the fuck Clarence was talking about! Innocent my ass!

paisleypark4 said:

Timmy84 said:

Yanno?!

When I was little, Clarence Carter's "Strokin'" was played around my house and believe me at the age of four I knew exactly what the fuck Clarence was talking about! Innocent my ass!

OH LORD I WAS JUST singing that the other day. My mom used to look at the tv and say "nasty ol man!"

My dad has the CD with that song on it.

I love R&B from just about every decade although those old blues songs kinda make me feel a certain not so good way. Maybe cuz they sound like dirty old farts but whatevs. Its still all good music and I'm not fully understanding the R&B snobs who say the genre has changed and is no longer good or that certain artists and their music don't qualify as R&B etc.

All I know is I feel these artists and the vibe they give/have given:

Marvyn Gaye

Smokey

Rick James

Keyshia Cole

Monica

EWF

Chaka

Mary J

Dramatics

Stylistics

Teddy Pendergrass

Harold Melvin & Blue Notes

Lloyd

Temptations

Four Tops

Lyfe Jennings

Drake (yep he do that R&B too)

New Edition

Patti

Gladys

Ike Turner (but I aint giving up no money)

R. Kelly (but I aint giving up no money)

Chris Brown (but I aint giving up no money)

Kem

Jaheim

Luther

Stevie

Jodeci

Bobby Womack

OJays

Spinners

AND THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M FEELING THIS MONTH!!!!