tinaz said:

PurpleJedi said:

Secret Santa hint for Tinaz;

I seriously just LOL'ED for real!!!

Husky said:

But what now if i say i dont give a lot about Janet Jackson?

She seems to be one of the most favourite artists on 'Music - non Prince' but all i hear is a thin-voiced singer without any character, that once was succesfull thanks to Jam and Lewis, but who seems to be overhyped on here for the last couple of yours.

She is first of all a shallow entertainer (lypsyncher, dancer), but she aint no artist or real musician.

Am i allowed to say that in here, while i show my dislike of Radiohead and Pink Floyd?

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I agree with Janet. I can not say that I hate, rather, I simply do not perceive her as a serious artist. Her voice is so weak that in spite of the many worthy songs in her discography, I just can not listen to her for a long time. One of the weakest voices in the industry among the artists who are in the big leagues.

But Pink Floyd ....
I love them. They have created beautiful melodies and their lyrics are very interesting.
Classic and a great rock band.

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LiLi1992 said:

Husky said:

But what now if i say i dont give a lot about Janet Jackson?

She seems to be one of the most favourite artists on 'Music - non Prince' but all i hear is a thin-voiced singer without any character, that once was succesfull thanks to Jam and Lewis, but who seems to be overhyped on here for the last couple of yours.

She is first of all a shallow entertainer (lypsyncher, dancer), but she aint no artist or real musician.

Am i allowed to say that in here, while i show my dislike of Radiohead and Pink Floyd?

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I agree with Janet. I can not say that I hate, rather, I simply do not perceive her as a serious artist. Her voice is so weak that in spite of the many worthy songs in her discography, I just can not listen to her for a long time. One of the weakest voices in the industry among the artists who are in the big leagues.

But Pink Floyd ....
I love them. They have created beautiful melodies and their lyrics are very interesting.
Classic and a great rock band.

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mjscarousal said:

LiLi1992 said:

I agree with Janet. I can not say that I hate, rather, I simply do not perceive her as a serious artist. Her voice is so weak that in spite of the many worthy songs in her discography, I just can not listen to her for a long time. One of the weakest voices in the industry among the artists who are in the big leagues.

But Pink Floyd ....
I love them. They have created beautiful melodies and their lyrics are very interesting.
Classic and a great rock band.

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So you dont take Janet Jackson seriously,.. when she made some impactful albums Rhythm Nation and Control with quality artistic music NOT only that she is the best non professional female dancer and you dont take her seriously but you take Beyawnce seriously an artist who does nothing in the creative process, copies and has no soul????? Youve lost all credibility and I take nothing you say seriously MJ fan or not...

What does this have to Beyonce? Janet artist of big league, she is a veteran of the stage, so I will not compare her with contemporary artists, because I think it's inappropriate comparison, I compare her with the artists her level and status.
The higher the status of the artist = the higher requirements.
My words are "among the artists who are in the big leagues" do not have pushed you to think that I believe that Janet among these artists? but I think she is mediocre in comparison with the Prince, her brother, Tina Turner, even Madonna. She is the weakest among the best, but Janet level higher than 90% of rnb / pop artists of the past 10 years, what`s it proof? The current state of pop music extremely shabby. She is a good dancer, but I've never been impressed, so I think that she has received a lot of slick credit in this regard.

How can I take seriously the artist, when I can not listen to her songs (which are decent enough) for a long time because of the unsatisfactory level of vocals?

"I simply do not perceive her as a serious artist" = My attitude, not a fact.

I like MJ (though without fanaticism), but none of his family has at least 10% of his talent.
I absolutely don`t care about your credibility, but your aggressive attacks towards me already tired, honestly.

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LiLi1992 said:

Unholyalliance said:

I like Freddie Mercury just as much as the next guy and I love his singing, but sometimes...I tend to think that when he sings...he had a hard time controlling his voice no? Like it seems to me that he couldn't do that so well. I guess it was really rough is a good way to describe it? Like, it didn't seem really fluid to me. I think that him and MJ are in the same boat when it comes to being vocalists in some ways. They weren't the best that ever graced music, but they had something special that could connect with the audience while managing to sound decent. Though, they do sound 100X better than half of the shit on that Rolling Stones list.

I also love me some Marvin, but I feel that he's the only one rock fans ever mention. Ever...

Blasphemy !!!!!
Freddie - a wonderful vocalist. One of the best of all time!

I'm sure that Michael stopped writing and recording songs with Freddie and communicate with him too just because Freddie just eclipsed him on their duet songs. I do not believe the official story (employment of artists), Freddie wanted to work with Michael, I read many books on FM, he respected Michael and he called MJ among his favorite artists.
Michael sounds are usually better in all duets (Paul, Stevie, Mick), but not with Freddie because he is a much better singer.

Sorry, but Freddie sounded like shite on State of Shock.

Aww man the blasphemy up in this thread! Janet, AND Freddie haterade...Fuck it I'm outta here.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Aww man the blasphemy up in this thread! Janet, AND Freddie haterade...Fuck it I'm outta here.

Damn, I think he sounds bad on one song and I'm hating? I think Freddie is one of the greatest, fyi.

smoothcriminal12 said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Aww man the blasphemy up in this thread! Janet, AND Freddie haterade...Fuck it I'm outta here.

Damn, I think he sounds bad on one song and I'm hating? I think Freddie is one of the greatest, fyi.

I would hope so, SC. Otherwise your credibility card will be confiscated and destroyed, just like Lili's!

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Damn, I think he sounds bad on one song and I'm hating? I think Freddie is one of the greatest, fyi.

I would hope so, SC. Otherwise your credibility card will be confiscated and destroyed, just like Lili's!

Nah it's alright. I LOVE Freddie so when I heard State of Shock I was like "Damn. "

LiLi1992 said:

mjscarousal said:

So you dont take Janet Jackson seriously,.. when she made some impactful albums Rhythm Nation and Control with quality artistic music NOT only that she is the best non professional female dancer and you dont take her seriously but you take Beyawnce seriously an artist who does nothing in the creative process, copies and has no soul????? Youve lost all credibility and I take nothing you say seriously MJ fan or not...

key words.

What does this have to Beyonce? Janet artist of big league, she is a veteran of the stage, so I will not compare her with contemporary artists, because I think it's inappropriate comparison, I compare her with the artists her level and status.
The higher the status of the artist = the higher requirements.
My words are "among the artists who are in the big leagues" do not have pushed you to think that I believe that Janet among these artists? but I think she is mediocre in comparison with the Prince, her brother, Tina Turner, even Madonna. She is the weakest among the best, but Janet level higher than 90% of rnb / pop artists of the past 10 years, what`s it proof? The current state of pop music extremely shabby. She is a good dancer, but I've never been impressed, so I think that she has received a lot of slick credit in this regard.

How can I take seriously the artist, when I can not listen to her songs (which are decent enough) for a long time because of the unsatisfactory level of vocals?

"I simply do not perceive her as a serious artist" = My attitude, not a fact.

I like MJ (though without fanaticism), but none of his family has at least 10% of his talent.
I absolutely don`t care about your credibility, but your aggressive attacks towards me already tired, honestly.

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@ Lili.. This is because prince.org is on crack and wont let me edit LOL

I never said that Michael Jacksons family have the same talent as him because NONE of them do. HOWEVER, I just find it beyond funny as hell how you think Janet Jackson is overrated but dont think Beyonce is overrated when she has made no impact influential albums or contributed anything in the music industry. Its just shocking that since your an MJ fan you already know what being original and innovative is... and to go back and insinuate Beyonce is that and that Janet is overrated LOL I dont think Janet Jackson was innovative either but she was creative and more than half her catalogue is filled with classics and creative material... Yes Janet is a weak vocalist and yes she IS a ICON but I NEVER heard anyone compare her to her brother or someone like Tina Turner like they do with BEYAWCE..

This is what makes your arguement beyond dumb and funny... Janet is not nearly as overrated as Beyonce or has received any underserving accolade she doesnt deserve... Janet only has 6 grammys while Beyonce has 16 fuckin grammys along with other wasteless awards for doing absolutely nothing ... AND then you have the audacity to sit sanely type out Janet is overrated BUT Beyonce isnt???

Yea Chile...You can have all the seats and yes you have lot all credibility

But whatever I dont care what you think of my posts... I dont take a lick of what you say seriously whether you care or not is up to you... I dont really care its just entertainment to me LOL

mjscarousal said:

@ Lili.. This is because prince.org is on crack and wont let me edit LOL

I never said that Michael Jacksons family have the same talent as him because NONE of them do. HOWEVER, I just find it beyond funny as hell how you think Janet Jackson is overrated but dont think Beyonce is overrated when she has made no impact influential albums or contributed anything in the music industry. Its just shocking that since your an MJ fan you already know what being original and innovative is... and to go back and insinuate Beyonce is that and that Janet is overrated LOL I dont think Janet Jackson was innovative either but she was creative and more than half her catalogue is filled with classics and creative material... Yes Janet is a weak vocalist and yes she IS a ICON but I NEVER heard anyone compare her to her brother or someone like Tina Turner like they do with BEYAWCE..

This is what makes your arguement beyond dumb and funny... Janet is not nearly as overrated as Beyonce or has received any underserving accolade she doesnt deserve... Janet only has 6 grammys while Beyonce has 16 fuckin grammys along with other wasteless awards for doing absolutely nothing ... AND then you have the audacity to sit sanely type out Janet is overrated BUT Beyonce isnt???

Yea Chile...You can have all the seats and yes you have lot all credibility

But whatever I dont care what you think of my posts... I dont take a lick of what you say seriously whether you care or not is up to you... I dont really care its just entertainment to me LOL

Janet "sophisticated and classy" Beyonce "commercial and packaged"

^Tits and Ass nuff said. Neither are artist. get over it.

free2bfreeda said:

Janet "sophisticated and classy" Beyonce "commercial and packaged"

Sophisticated and classy? I don't hate Janet and I like her music a lot more than Beyonce's but I really lost interest in Janet once it became clear that with every album she was going to beat us over the head with how much she enjoys sex. After janet and The Velvet Rope we more than heard enough about Janet and her sex life but she just kept repeating herself.

Creatively I really do not see much difference in how they go about making music. Aren't they basically both lyricists that rely on others to create the music? I think that Janet's music ends up much more enjoyable but I believe that the process of creating that music is very similar.

I like some of beyawnce's music, especially the uptempo ones.

I DISLIKE (HATE) the fact that she has 16 grammys when she didnt do SHIT to deserve them. she is DONTDOSHITANCE.

I dislike Rihanna because she is a puppet and is only a generic single seller, when it comes to actual albums, her record sells and single sells dont add up and seem hijacked.

I dislike Britney spears because she is a puppet, seems like she is only touring and stuff now because she dont DO SHIT just like the rest, music and other things are handed to her, all she does is mimic what she is suppose to do thru auto tune machine.she cant dance anymore and her performances are lifeless.

Justin bieber JUST SUCKS ASS, and his voice is annoying.

JANET IS THE QUEEN FORGET BEYAWNCE AND MADONNA AND THE REST OF THE LESSORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I MEAN COMMON, THE SONG AND VIDEO FOR PLEASURE PRINCIPLE SLAYS ANYTHING THESE HACKS HAVE DONE OR WILL DO.

its not the first time ive paid the fare, would you get the argue of material possesion thank you for the ride no where!!!!!!!!!!!!

Janet Jackson. She has some catchy songs, but that paper thin, whispery voice is annnoying. I want to throw a rock at the TV when she is doing interviews. She just comes across as "fake". Beyonce is much more real in her interviews, appearances and performances. IMO, Janet TRIES to be sexy and it comes across as that. Beyonce is just sexy without trying. Of course, this JMO.

Free2BMe said:

Janet Jackson. She has some catchy songs, but that paper thin, whispery voice is annnoying. I want to throw a rock at the TV when she is doing interviews. She just comes across as "fake". Beyonce is much more real in her interviews, appearances and performances. IMO, Janet TRIES to be sexy and it comes across as that. Beyonce is just sexy without trying. Of course, this JMO.

I get the exact opposite from them. Janet has a quiet brilliance. Her shyness is endearing to me. She don't have shit to prove because her career speaks for itself. All I get from Beyonce is "Hey, y'all! I'm Beyonce, y'all! I really do write my own songs, y'all! I'm desperate to be an icon, y'all!" And I think all that wild seizure-inducing gyrating and weave slinging is her trying too hard to be sexy.

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Free2BMe said:

Janet Jackson. She has some catchy songs, but that paper thin, whispery voice is annnoying. I want to throw a rock at the TV when she is doing interviews. She just comes across as "fake". Beyonce is much more real in her interviews, appearances and performances. IMO, Janet TRIES to be sexy and it comes across as that. Beyonce is just sexy without trying. Of course, this JMO.

Youve lost all credibility as well... you can take your seat....

LOL its funny because Beyonce is not real in her interviews... comes off as rehearsed, fake and cold just like when she is singing... Janet is alot more realer especially in her 90s interviews... Currently I agree that her interviews are not as interesting but her interviews during her peak were well enjoyable

Also.. Beyonce tries WAYYY to hard to be sexy... that was never Janets "image" it latered became that when she got comfortable with her body after RN.. However, each of her projects had a specific theme as well as videos and it was not centered around trying to constantly be sexy like it is with Beyonce.

Beyonce would never walk a red carpet with jeans, no makeup etc, where a afro, cut her hair, wear baggish pants.. or well tomboyish clothes etc like Janet would AND has.. she doesnt take risks... its very formulative and just certained around being sexy or at least trying.... Beyonce is not unattractive but their are women that are more attractive/ gorgeous than her in reality and in the public eye.. its really all hype and makeup and when thats gone she looks plain.I think Kelly Rowland is even more attractive than her even without trying and she is way more sincere in her interviews... I also think Janet is "naturally" more attractive than her and doesnt need makeup..

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mjscarousal said:

Free2BMe said:

Janet Jackson. She has some catchy songs, but that paper thin, whispery voice is annnoying. I want to throw a rock at the TV when she is doing interviews. She just comes across as "fake". Beyonce is much more real in her interviews, appearances and performances. IMO, Janet TRIES to be sexy and it comes across as that. Beyonce is just sexy without trying. Of course, this JMO.

Youve lost all credibility as well... you can take your seat....

LOL its funny because Beyonce is not real in her interviews... comes off as rehearsed, fake and cold just like when she is singing... Janet is alot more realer especially in her 90s interviews... Currently I agree that her interviews are not as interesting but her interviews during her peak were well enjoyable

Also.. Beyonce tries WAYYY to hard to be sexy... that was never Janets "image" it latered became that when she got comfortable with her body after RN.. However, each of her projects had a specific theme as well as videos and it was not centered around trying to constantly be sexy like it is with Beyonce.

Beyonce would never walk a red carpet with jeans, no makeup etc, where a afro, cut her hair, wear baggish pants.. or well tomboyish clothes etc like Janet would AND has.. she doesnt take risks... its very formulative and just certained around being sexy or at least trying.... Beyonce is not unattractive but their are women that are more attractive/ gorgeous than her in reality and in the public eye.. its really all hype and makeup and when thats gone she looks plain.I think Kelly Rowland is even more attractive than her even without trying and she is way more sincere in her interviews... I also think Janet is "naturally" more attractive than her and doesnt need makeup..

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LOL! YOUR opinion doesn't negate MY opinion. It has NOTHING to do with credibility. It has everything to do with OPINION.

Terrib3Towel said:

Janet and Michael's soft, whispery voices always annoyed me and came off as "fake" to me. I know for a fact MJ's voice wasn't that light, in concert it was much deeper "normal" if you would. His fans say he spoke so light to conserve his voice, which makes sense I guess. I can't speak for Janet cuz I don't follow her like that. As far as Beyonce, from the small amount of interviews I've saw of her, she comes off as a complete dumbass. Her diction and syntax seem "off" to me. Something tells me Beyonce isn't the sharpest tool in the box. But who needs to be smart when all you have to do is shake your ass and you gets millions?

I was speaking of Janet's paper-thin,soft, whispery SINGING VOICE. BTW, Beyonce's diction is just "country". She just doesn't try to fake it or hide her Texas drawl. I like that about her. She is articulate and doesn't come across as something that she is not. With Beyonce, it's damn if she does and damn if she doesn't. The hate against her isn't justified. IMO, it's all about jealousy. She DOES have the talent, charisma, voice, looks,etc. We are not speaking of someone who doesn't deserve the success and accolades. We are not speaking of a talentless bimbo who can't sing or dance. Beyonce is much more than just a dance artist and some fans of other artists seem to forget that or try to diminish that fact.

Terrib3Towel said:

Janet and Michael's soft, whispery voices always annoyed me and came off as "fake" to me. I know for a fact MJ's voice wasn't that light, in concert it was much deeper "normal" if you would. His fans say he spoke so light to conserve his voice, which makes sense I guess. I can't speak for Janet cuz I don't follow her like that. As far as Beyonce, from the small amount of interviews I've saw of her, she comes off as a complete dumbass. Her diction and syntax seem "off" to me. Something tells me Beyonce isn't the sharpest tool in the box. But who needs to be smart when all you have to do is shake your ass and you gets millions?

Beyonce is from "da hood". And all the money, blonde hair weaves, makeup and fancy dresses can't hide it.

kitbradley said:

Terrib3Towel said:

Janet and Michael's soft, whispery voices always annoyed me and came off as "fake" to me. I know for a fact MJ's voice wasn't that light, in concert it was much deeper "normal" if you would. His fans say he spoke so light to conserve his voice, which makes sense I guess. I can't speak for Janet cuz I don't follow her like that. As far as Beyonce, from the small amount of interviews I've saw of her, she comes off as a complete dumbass. Her diction and syntax seem "off" to me. Something tells me Beyonce isn't the sharpest tool in the box. But who needs to be smart when all you have to do is shake your ass and you gets millions?

Beyonce is from "da hood". And all the money, blonde hair weaves, makeup and fancy dresses can't hide it.

Since when is upper middle class hood?

Free2BMe said:

Terrib3Towel said:

Janet and Michael's soft, whispery voices always annoyed me and came off as "fake" to me. I know for a fact MJ's voice wasn't that light, in concert it was much deeper "normal" if you would. His fans say he spoke so light to conserve his voice, which makes sense I guess. I can't speak for Janet cuz I don't follow her like that. As far as Beyonce, from the small amount of interviews I've saw of her, she comes off as a complete dumbass. Her diction and syntax seem "off" to me. Something tells me Beyonce isn't the sharpest tool in the box. But who needs to be smart when all you have to do is shake your ass and you gets millions?

I was speaking of Janet's paper-thin,soft, whispery SINGING VOICE. BTW, Beyonce's diction is just "country". She just doesn't try to fake it or hide her Texas drawl. I like that about her. She is articulate and doesn't come across as something that she is not. With Beyonce, it's damn if she does and damn if she doesn't. The hate against her isn't justified. IMO, it's all about jealousy. She DOES have the talent, charisma, voice, looks,etc. We are not speaking of someone who doesn't deserve the success and accolades. We are not speaking of a talentless bimbo who can't sing or dance. Beyonce is much more than just a dance artist and some fans of other artists seem to forget that or try to diminish that fact.

No...Beyonce is not from the hood but she is not articulate at all and at times sounds "uneducated" ( Im really not trying to bash her just being honest) That has nothing to do with coming from Texas.. there are plenty of articulate people that come from Texas and other "country" states... like seriously... I myself have alot of family from the country and are VERY articulate.. they have a accent but are able to intelligently express their ideas clearly.. you accent does not affect your ability to express your thoughts.

All that your posts suggest is" I am a Beyonce stan and Beyonce is the best singer in the world and deserves to be a legend because their is nobody like her and Janet sucks because she is a weak singer"

You asked for people to be diplomatic with critiquing Beyonce BUT you are beyond biased when it comes to Janet??? You seem to bash her because she is a weak vocalist (which everybody knows) but fail to mention influential as well as impactful albums that she had. No she isnt the greatest singer in the world but she has a pretty strong catalogue of hits and made some really influential material was creative and took risks something Beyonce has never done but you seem to think somebody is hating when that is a pretty objective true statement.

Yes, Beyonce is a better singer than some of her peers out now BUT their are alot of female singers that sing better than her that are out now and some that have a better catalogue of music ex. Monae, Badu.. etc when you talk about Beyonce you talk as if she makes such orignal, authentic material when all she does is make the same shit that Perry and Rihanna does the only difference is she has a fairly descent voice...

So you can stop with the tired bullshit that someone is hating on her or just bashing her for no reason. These are all true valid arguements...why not try listening to other music instead of relying on the radio.. your opinion might change

Free2BMe said:

Terrib3Towel said:

Janet and Michael's soft, whispery voices always annoyed me and came off as "fake" to me. I know for a fact MJ's voice wasn't that light, in concert it was much deeper "normal" if you would. His fans say he spoke so light to conserve his voice, which makes sense I guess. I can't speak for Janet cuz I don't follow her like that. As far as Beyonce, from the small amount of interviews I've saw of her, she comes off as a complete dumbass. Her diction and syntax seem "off" to me. Something tells me Beyonce isn't the sharpest tool in the box. But who needs to be smart when all you have to do is shake your ass and you gets millions?

I was speaking of Janet's paper-thin,soft, whispery SINGING VOICE. BTW, Beyonce's diction is just "country". She just doesn't try to fake it or hide her Texas drawl. I like that about her. She is articulate and doesn't come across as something that she is not. With Beyonce, it's damn if she does and damn if she doesn't. The hate against her isn't justified. IMO, it's all about jealousy. She DOES have the talent, charisma, voice, looks,etc. We are not speaking of someone who doesn't deserve the success and accolades. We are not speaking of a talentless bimbo who can't sing or dance. Beyonce is much more than just a dance artist and some fans of other artists seem to forget that or try to diminish that fact.

Oh I wasn't speaking directly to you about Janet's voice, I was just expressing my thoughts on the subject at hand. And Beyonce's inabillity to produce coherent sentences have nothing to do with being from Texas. Houston, TX is one of the largest cities in the world, it's not "country" at all. I've lived in Texas my whole life and I'm from a VERY small town with about 6,000 people and I still speak better than Beyonce "Texas drawl" and all. Chances are if she wasn't famous, she would be working at Wendy's as a janitor.

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mjscarousal said:

You asked for people to be diplomatic with critiquing Beyonce BUT you are beyond biased when it comes to Janet??? You seem to bash her because she is a weak vocalist (which everybody knows) but fail to mention influential as well as impactful albums that she had. No she isnt the greatest singer in the world but she has a pretty strong catalogue of hits and made some really influential material was creative and took risks something Beyonce has never done but you seem to think somebody is hating when that is a pretty objective true statement.

You mentioned a couple of times that Janet was "creative and took risks." How so? Is her material any more creative and risky than Beyonce's? They are basically both pop/r & b singers, I don't really see much difference between the type of music that they do.

rialb said:

mjscarousal said:

You asked for people to be diplomatic with critiquing Beyonce BUT you are beyond biased when it comes to Janet??? You seem to bash her because she is a weak vocalist (which everybody knows) but fail to mention influential as well as impactful albums that she had. No she isnt the greatest singer in the world but she has a pretty strong catalogue of hits and made some really influential material was creative and took risks something Beyonce has never done but you seem to think somebody is hating when that is a pretty objective true statement.

You mentioned a couple of times that Janet was "creative and took risks." How so? Is her material any more creative and risky than Beyonce's? They are basically both pop/r & b singers, I don't really see much difference between the type of music that they do.

Let me think about the difference...O YAH JANET DID IT FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!

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ScarletScandal said:

Gunsnhalen said:

This asshole...

aardvark15 said:

rialb said:

You mentioned a couple of times that Janet was "creative and took risks." How so? Is her material any more creative and risky than Beyonce's? They are basically both pop/r & b singers, I don't really see much difference between the type of music that they do.

Let me think about the difference...O YAH JANET DID IT FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Sure, but that is hardly the point. Is Janet really any more creative or risky than Beyonce?