Nick715 said:

http://amywinehouse.com/

Her site is back up, no info yet but an amazing B&W photo of her is shown.

Mindflux said:

aaliyahcashmere89 said:

Can't believe some people want to debate if her death was of a drug overdose? Who would ever think that Amy Stans were this blind?

As I said, you're not getting it! I'm not debating whether she died of a drugs overdose or not - in fact, it is highly likely that she died as a result of her lifestyle. For the very last time, I am saying that it doesn't matter what she died of, it is a tragedy and your dismissing it as not mattering as much if she died because of taking drugs is both heartless and misguided.

And, for the record, I'm not an "Amy Stans", I don't even own any of her records. But I appreciated her talent and I'm, more importantly, a human being.

[Edited 7/23/11 16:03pm]

I think your the one who doesn't understand. I liked her music but I'm just not shocked that she died from her drug habit. It's a tragedy but one most people saw coming

purplethunder3121 said:

Nick715 said:

http://amywinehouse.com/

Her site is back up, no info yet but an amazing B&W photo of her is shown.

That is a beautiful photo and she was quite striking before the drugs took their hold, but after she got her health back the last couple of years, she was looking good again.

thekidsgirl said:

Wow, this is really sad

I know everyone is ""not surprised", but I still had hope that she'd be able to clean up her act and get healthy one day.

My best friend and I were debating over whether she would be able to recapture the essence of her last album again just 2 days ago.

Yeah, I was one of those people who thought she'd come out the other side and be fine.

In a way right now I feel like...there's no way this isn't gonna sound fucked up, but I kinda feel like the public at large helped contribute to her death. So many people were talking shit about her messing up at concerts and stuff and just talking shit about her in general...when someone is in a position in their life like that where they're trying to get their life together, it's just incredibly cruel to sit back and shit on them and all that negative energy and derision from others doesn't help them either. Kinda fucking with a fragile person like that...

purplethunder3121 said:

Nick715 said:

http://amywinehouse.com/

Her site is back up, no info yet but an amazing B&W photo of her is shown.

Thank you. Love this picture.

GeminiBrown said:

duccichucka said:

Commenting here on this board really has no great purpose other than to let

fellow boarders know that I am sorry she died and that she has gained peace;

I guess we can all share in this remorse.

But as soon as I felt remorse, I realized that I was only personally pained

for her because she is a celebrity; don't forget the people who died in Norway

and the famine in Somalia. They weren't celebrities but everywhere, isn't

human life sacred?

So True.

Every life is important. The loss of hers has a right to be mourned just like those who lost their lives in Norway and Somalia. Being famous doesn't mean her life is less important or that no one should care that she was gone because she was a world name and had money.

And it's possible to care about what happened to Amy and the people in Somalia and Norway.

I understand Ducci's intentions may have been good, but this isn't the time or the place for the preaching and applause and it's in incredibly poor taste.

Mindflux said:

TonyVanDam said:

He sure did.

You 2 should stop displaying your self-righteous ignorance - its not becoming and is disrespectful. You reallly think drug addiction is as easy to beat as just listening to someone teling you to stop? Blame and righteous indignation instead of compassion - nice one! RIP Amy - a tragic loss of talent.

I wanted to visit to see what you all were saying... I read she did indeed die of a drug overdose?

If this is the case, I'm not shocked: I'm just sad.

I would imagine Amy Winehouse... knew drugs were gonna kill her sooner or later, but she just could not...stop even to save her own life. A lot of people are in this predicament whether it be due to drugs, alcohol, obesity, or just an overall unhealthy lifestyle.

May she rest in peace. I wish something could have been done to help her. I wish somehow she had the strength to save herself. But you know... she's not unique as far as that goes.

I bet she was scared shitless she was going to die. I'm sure it crossed her mind.

Thoughts and prayers to her family and friends.

Blessings also to the Dap Kings who were her backing band for a long time. I just found this quote from Sharon Jones:

"“She was a very sad young woman. She said she wanted to be married and have babies. I think that’s why she would hide behind her drinking before she started with the drugs. My prayers have been out for her and they’re going to stay out for her,” Jones said. “And the Dap-Kings, those guys stood with her. She had such great talent. We have nothing but love for her.”

armpit said:

thekidsgirl said:

Wow, this is really sad

I know everyone is ""not surprised", but I still had hope that she'd be able to clean up her act and get healthy one day.

My best friend and I were debating over whether she would be able to recapture the essence of her last album again just 2 days ago.

Yeah, I was one of those people who thought she'd come out the other side and be fine.

In a way right now I feel like...there's no way this isn't gonna sound fucked up, but I kinda feel like the public at large helped contribute to her death. So many people were talking shit about her messing up at concerts and stuff and just talking shit about her in general...when someone is in a position in their life like that where they're trying to get their life together, it's just incredibly cruel to sit back and shit on them and all that negative energy and derision from others doesn't help them either. Kinda fucking with a fragile person like that...

I honestly don't think tabloid shit was to blame in the slightest. The girl had her demons, deep rooted before all that. She was a tortured soul when it came to love and her addictive personality dug her early grave. I saw the danger signs when her label Universal gave her a free reign in a tropical island to create her new album. When in fact she used that time to get fucked on booze and drugs in the sun.

Timmy84 said:

I'm thinking out loud: does ANYONE really beat drug addiction? I don't care if you're famous or not, I'm seeing for real - and should've - that drug addiction is really a hard thing to overcome. You can be off cocaine for 20 years and then be high on some shit like Demerol for 15 years. Plus girl also had an alcohol problem. You can't easily defeat addiction no matter how many warnings you get. The brain triggers something in you when you take drugs.

right. It is sad. I work in a hospital. I see late 60s year old addicts. They've had 40 - 50 year addictions. Really sad and frustrating not only for the addicts and their loved ones but also the professionals who invest time and effort to help the addicts beat their addictions. It is very hard to sober up. You never stop working at it.

Such a talented young lady. No matter how many times I see this it always hurts to see young people with so much potential get caught up in drugs and their inner demons leave this world so early. Yet sometimes you feel relief for them in some ways as their suffering is over.

aaliyahcashmere89 said:

Mindflux said:

As I said, you're not getting it! I'm not debating whether she died of a drugs overdose or not - in fact, it is highly likely that she died as a result of her lifestyle. For the very last time, I am saying that it doesn't matter what she died of, it is a tragedy and your dismissing it as not mattering as much if she died because of taking drugs is both heartless and misguided.

And, for the record, I'm not an "Amy Stans", I don't even own any of her records. But I appreciated her talent and I'm, more importantly, a human being.

[Edited 7/23/11 16:03pm]

I think your the one who doesn't understand. I liked her music but I'm just not shocked that she died from her drug habit. It's a tragedy but one most people saw coming

1) Nobody has said she died from her drug habit. Its not known at this point, so you're making an assumption.And even if it is, so what?

2) I understand what you said. What I objected to was you saying you were "angry with her more than anything" and blaming her for her own demise. Its objectionable, but you just don't see it - but, frankly, I'm past caring.

You clearly have a problem remembering more than one post back, so shall we just end it here?

TheDigitalGardener said:

Timmy84 said:

I'm thinking out loud: does ANYONE really beat drug addiction?

I'm not doing too badly, nearly 6 years now.

That is a real accomplishment. Good for you!

prodigalfan said:

Timmy84 said:

I'm thinking out loud: does ANYONE really beat drug addiction? I don't care if you're famous or not, I'm seeing for real - and should've - that drug addiction is really a hard thing to overcome. You can be off cocaine for 20 years and then be high on some shit like Demerol for 15 years. Plus girl also had an alcohol problem. You can't easily defeat addiction no matter how many warnings you get. The brain triggers something in you when you take drugs.

right. It is sad. I work in a hospital. I see late 60s year old addicts. They've had 40 - 50 year addictions. Really sad and frustrating not only for the addicts and their loved ones but also the professionals who invest time and effort to help the addicts beat their addictions. It is very hard to sober up. You never stop working at it.

Really? That's strange, because aaliyahcashmere89, with her wealth of unknown experience, said that Amy could have beaten her addictions "if she'd wanted to" especially as she had a "strong fan base" and, therefore, basically it serves her right! Seriously, read her posts!

Something tells me you, as a health professional, might offer a different opinion?

TMZ now reporting that there 'were signs of life' when she was first found, but passed before she could be transported, dammit!

Also this official statement:

In a statement, Superintendent Raj Kohli said, "Next of kin have been informed, and I can confirm that officers are now satisfied that the deceased is Amy Winehouse."

As for the cause of death, and speculation that Amy -- who had battled drug and alcohol problems for years -- may have OD'ed, Kohli said, "I am aware of reports suggesting this death is the result of a suspected drugs overdose, but I would like to re-emphasize that no post-mortem examination has yet taken place and it would be inappropriate to speculate on the cause of death."

Oh, fuck me & TMZ, I made the mistake of paging down and it shows her body being removed on a stretcher, ugh!

[Edited 7/23/11 16:29pm]

Honestly, I just think addiction is just like anything else. Once you start, it's just so easy to fall off the wagon.

This is a bad comparison, but I'm just getting back on the wagon after gaining back some weight I lost.

I lost 12 lbs... I needed to lose more, but it was a BITCH to lose those 12 pounds. I was being all healthy--exercising every day... or nearly every day... let's say MOST days. i was going to the gym.

Then...I missed a day. Then I missed two. Then I started back into my old eating habits. Well...sure enough, the weight came back. And.. yes it impacts my health...like with my blood pressure and stress.

So now I'm back "clean and sober" so to speak, again. It's just so hard for me even though I KNOW I need to do it for my health NOW and/or later.

I can't even even imagine how difficult it must be to kick a drug addiction. Shit, I'm having problems with this weight issue... and.. working-out for cardiovascular reasons. I can't even do that. And you feel like such a failure when.... you just can't seem to manage, you know what I'm sayin?

So...I just think... it must have been holy hell for Amy Winehouse.

PDogz said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

I hear what you are saying though.

It (drug addiction) alters your way of thinking for life, even if you are clean, I guess you never recover mentally.

It's hard, if not impossible, to un-ring the bell. Though I have personally known one amazing person that was able to stay clean (aside from the occasional cigarette) for the last 20 years of his life, before passing away last year. But yeah, the demons were always hiding right around the corner.

that is because addiction is a 2 component problem. Not only is there physical addiction (that we have medicines to help addicts overcome)... there is also a mental addiction; the way the addict copes with life's difficulties.

If drugs are used to cope with problems... to overcome this is so much harder. It takes a lot of therapy to figure out what it is you are dealing with, then finding a better way to cope. It is this component that creeps up with a 20 year recovered addict and then a child passes or a divorce and then suddenly the addict has relapsed.

I don´t want to be disrespectful and i wish her heaven.

It´s really sad news tbh.

But her behavor was a disgrace for the music scene...

[Edited 7/23/11 16:32pm]

From Mark Ronson:

she was my musical soulmate & like a sister to me. this is one of the saddest days of my life

Philly76 said:

I don´t want to be disrespectful and i wish her heaven.

It´s really sad news tbh.

But her behavor was a disgrace for the music scene...

[Edited 7/23/11 16:32pm]

Yeah, cuz the music scene is full of folks who don't indulge in alcohol & drugs. Her talent is what matters, not her troubles.

Philly76 said:

I don´t want to be disrespectful and i wish her heaven.

It´s really sad news tbh.

But her behavor was a disgrace for the music scene...

[Edited 7/23/11 16:32pm]

If you are going to come away with remarks like that you might as well say the same thing of 60% of the worlds greatest artists/bands,

She was just living a rock and roll lifestyle even tho r&r wasn't her genre.

aaliyahcashmere89 said:

Mindflux said:

People of all ages die for all sorts of reasons all the time. Sorry, this is all evidently doing a fly-by on you. Don't worry about it.

Can't believe some people want to debate if her death was of a drug overdose? Who would ever think that Amy Stans were this blind?

You have stated your views more than once, more than twice, more than three times, even. We completely get it, we hear you.

At this point it'd be great to just take the thread back onto the actual topic, which is Amy Winehouse and remembering her. Thanks.

rest

in

peace

Philly76 said:

I don´t want to be disrespectful and i wish her heaven.

It´s really sad news tbh.

But her behavor was a disgrace for the music scene...

[Edited 7/23/11 16:32pm]

Well I just wonder how much enabling went on?

I just wonder how many "yes-men" she had around her?

I just think it's a complicated situation. And like I said, I don't think she was necessarily proud of her behavior. I bet she felt like a failure in certain respects.... like "why can't get this under control"?

I read she had respiratory problems, right? I'm sure went she went on her binges she was happy to wakeup.

Anyway... I'm just really sad she didn't make it, regardless of her cause of death.

[Edited 7/23/11 16:40pm]

Mindflux said:

prodigalfan said:

right. It is sad. I work in a hospital. I see late 60s year old addicts. They've had 40 - 50 year addictions. Really sad and frustrating not only for the addicts and their loved ones but also the professionals who invest time and effort to help the addicts beat their addictions. It is very hard to sober up. You never stop working at it.

Really? That's strange, because aaliyahcashmere89, with her wealth of unknown experience, said that Amy could have beaten her addictions "if she'd wanted to" especially as she had a "strong fan base" and, therefore, basically it serves her right! Seriously, read her posts!

Something tells me you, as a health professional, might offer a different opinion?

How do you know I have no experience with drug addictions? I grew up in the 80's and watched crack take over half of my family. Some of them lived and some of them died. The ones who lived got help. The ones who died choose to be in the streets. I never wrote the her ''strong fan base'' would help her beat addiction YOU wrote that. I never wrote she deserved to die. YOU wrote that. Many people have overcome drug addiction. I've SEEN it with my own eyes. She did drugs and she died from them. It's a sad thing but thats what happens when you don't seek help/want help.

I wish the people talking shit in this thread would realize that what they're doing is tantamount to pissing on someone's grave. Sure, she wasn't perfect, but neither are you. Would you really like it if on announcement of your passing or the passing of someone close to you, people badmouthed them/you and picked over all your life choices?

I'm kind of disappointed in humanity right now. I expected more from you guys than what I'm seeing. You all ought to be ashamed. If you don't have anything decent to say, then the right and respectful thing to do is to stay mum and not comment here.

armpit said:

GeminiBrown said:

So True.

Every life is important. The loss of hers has a right to be mourned just like those who lost their lives in Norway and Somalia. Being famous doesn't mean her life is less important or that no one should care that she was gone because she was a world name and had money.

And it's possible to care about what happened to Amy and the people in Somalia and Norway.

I understand Ducci's intentions may have been good, but this isn't the time or the place for the preaching and applause and it's in incredibly poor taste.

I agree.

aaliyahcashmere89 said:

Mindflux said:

Really? That's strange, because aaliyahcashmere89, with her wealth of unknown experience, said that Amy could have beaten her addictions "if she'd wanted to" especially as she had a "strong fan base" and, therefore, basically it serves her right! Seriously, read her posts!

Something tells me you, as a health professional, might offer a different opinion?

How do you know I have no experience with drug addictions? I grew up in the 80's and watched crack take over half of my family. Some of them lived and some of them died. The ones who lived got help. The ones who died choose to be in the streets. I never wrote the her ''strong fan base'' would help her beat addiction YOU wrote that. I never wrote she deserved to die. YOU wrote that. Many people have overcome drug addiction. I've SEEN it with my own eyes. She did drugs and she died from them. It's a sad thing but thats what happens when you don't seek help/want help.

You've said your bs, now please leave the thread alone and go away.