TylerHippie said:

MickyDolenz said:

Not necessarily. A person might play 10 instruments, but that doesn't mean they can play them well. Also someone might play well technically, but make music that is not interesting to listen to. Like Yngwie Malmsteen.

Bruno Mars plays four instruments, at a above average level.to me, he as talent.

Never heard of him. I mostly listen to pre-1990's music.

mjscarousal said:

But see alot of people here will say dumb ish like.. "Just turn off the radio"

What's dumb about it? If you don't like McDonald's food, does it make sense to continue to eat there?

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

But see alot of people here will say dumb ish like.. "Just turn off the radio"

What's dumb about it? If you don't like McDonald's food, does it make sense to continue to eat there?

TylerHippie said:

RKJCNE said:

It's quite annoying how talent has become completely subjective, and that playing an insturment = talent to people.

So playing 4 instruments is not talent?

Just because an artist can play an instrument does not make them more talented than an artist who does not.

People seem to be under this impression that being able to play an instrument is something rare, it's not. It really isn't. I think stage presence and the ability to work a crowd is a much less common talent.

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

But see alot of people here will say dumb ish like.. "Just turn off the radio"

What's dumb about it? If you don't like McDonald's food, does it make sense to continue to eat there?

Well some people have no choice. Like when your ridng with your friends and their listening to this whack music, you cant tell them to change the station, it's their car.

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

But see alot of people here will say dumb ish like.. "Just turn off the radio"

What's dumb about it? If you don't like McDonald's food, does it make sense to continue to eat there?

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TylerHippie said:

If it doesn't have Lil Wayne, Drake( I actually dig him), Nicki Minaj, 808 drums,corny ass eurodance or a techno beat,the subject of money, over mixed hi-hats or excessive use of the "b" and "n-word", it's not a hit.

I'm 19, and this generation is fucking insane. These people are playing the same fucking songs over and over! "Miguel "Sure Thing", that annoying ass Kirt Franklin song, "Far Away" etc...

There needs to be more people like Bruno Mars and Lady Gaga, who actually has talent.

I don't even know what to say anymore...

I fucking hate seeing a rap artist or any artist hold a instrument knowing damn well they can't play the fucking instrument.(T-Pain & Chris Brown "Best Love Song" video, Jay-Z etc...)

Also, I get fucking tired of hearing how some "artist" from this decade, channeled another artist from the 60's 70's or 80's, why the fuck do you need to channel someone? Be original, or at least try.

I grew up in the 80's and all I can say is THANK GOD that I did! It was wonderful seeing Prince, Madonna, Janet Jackson, all from the very beginning of their careers! It was such a great time. I look at the shit out now and just shake my head. Save for Gaga, even if she is copying Madonna at least she puts on a great show and gives it her all!

TylerHippie said:

MickyDolenz said:

What's dumb about it? If you don't like McDonald's food, does it make sense to continue to eat there?

Well some people have no choice. Like when your ridng with your friends and their listening to this whack music, you cant tell them to change the station, it's their car.

Well they did decide to jump in the car.

TylerHippie said:

MickyDolenz said:

What's dumb about it? If you don't like McDonald's food, does it make sense to continue to eat there?

Well some people have no choice. Like when your ridng with your friends and their listening to this whack music, you cant tell them to change the station, it's their car.

They might also get in a car with you and not like what you're playing. What's the difference? I've been in the car with people who only played ringtone rap. It all sounds alike to me, but it's their car so they can play what they want. Really the only problem I have is that they play it extremely loud which hurts my ears, especially with the extra bass.

MickyDolenz said:

TylerHippie said:

Well some people have no choice. Like when your ridng with your friends and their listening to this whack music, you cant tell them to change the station, it's their car.

They might also get in a car with you and not like what you're playing. What's the difference? I've been in the car with people who only played ringtone rap. It all sounds alike to me, but it's their car so they can play what they want. Really the only problem I have is that they play it extremely loud which hurts my ears, especially with the extra bass.

I actually like that sound. Not even gonna lie. My cousins and my brother have that type of music blasting (well not my brother as of recent - must be age idk).

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Yep, that what's really important STAGE PRESENCE.... have a tight ass, washboard stomach and a couple of dancers twisting in the background. Hell, you really don't have know how to sing... just lip-sync.

Thank goodness there's been a lot of music recorded and produced before it all when to horse manure. Yes, good music is being created you just have to look for it. I'm still buying music, I'm just not buying much of what's being produced today. :shrug;

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

They might also get in a car with you and not like what you're playing. What's the difference? I've been in the car with people who only played ringtone rap. It all sounds alike to me, but it's their car so they can play what they want. Really the only problem I have is that they play it extremely loud which hurts my ears, especially with the extra bass.

I actually like that sound. Not even gonna lie. My cousins and my brother have that type of music blasting (well not my brother as of recent - must be age idk).

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But I don't wanna go deaf though. I read many people who worked with Michael Jackson in the studio had to wear earplugs when he listened to music.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

I actually like that sound. Not even gonna lie. My cousins and my brother have that type of music blasting (well not my brother as of recent - must be age idk).

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But I don't wanna go deaf though. I read many people who worked with Michael Jackson in the studio had to wear earplugs when he listened to music.

When I heard Michael played his music that loud, I had a newfound respect for him! I almost was like "my brother does the same thing "

TD3 said:

Yep, that what's really important STAGE PRESENCE.... have a tight ass, washboard stomach and a couple of dancers twisting in the background. Hell, you really don't have know how to sing... just lip-sync.

Thank goodness there's been a lot of music recorded and produced before it all when to horse manure. Yes, good music is being created you just have to look for it. I'm still buying music, I'm just not buying much of what's being produced today. :shrug;

Stage presence is about alot more than that, and I don't appreciate your extremely condescending tone.

And for the record I don't give a fuck about any artist who lip synchs.

RKJCNE said:

TylerHippie said:

So playing 4 instruments is not talent?

Just because an artist can play an instrument does not make them more talented than an artist who does not.

People seem to be under this impression that being able to play an instrument is something rare, it's not. It really isn't. I think stage presence and the ability to work a crowd is a much less common talent.

I definitely see two sides of the coin. Not everybody can play instruments and not everybody can go onstage and entertain with ten people backing you up in a choreographed stage show. There's hard work in both, believe it or not (to those who just only believe that all you have to do is sing like a gospel singer and play instruments ).

RKJCNE said:

TD3 said:

Yep, that what's really important STAGE PRESENCE.... have a tight ass, washboard stomach and a couple of dancers twisting in the background. Hell, you really don't have know how to sing... just lip-sync.

Thank goodness there's been a lot of music recorded and produced before it all when to horse manure. Yes, good music is being created you just have to look for it. I'm still buying music, I'm just not buying much of what's being produced today. :shrug;

Stage presence is about alot more than that, and I don't appreciate your extremely condescending tone.

And for the record I don't give a fuck about any artist who lip synchs.

Nah, that was sarcasm,

I know many people don't a fuck about whether artist lip synch or not. I 'wonder, could there be a connection between not being able to sing and the quality of music.

TylerHippie said:

Unholyalliance said:

Not that it isn't, but learning how to play isn't exactly rocket science.

It's not easy either. It takes people years to master drums, guitar and piano. Plus singing. Come on.

It depends how dedicated they are to learning how to play. What you are calling 'talent' is really hard work and dedication.

TD3 said:

RKJCNE said:

Stage presence is about alot more than that, and I don't appreciate your extremely condescending tone.

And for the record I don't give a fuck about any artist who lip synchs.

Nah, that was sarcasm,

I know many people don't a fuck about whether artist lip synch or not. I 'wonder, could there be a connection between not being able to sing and the quality of music.

Nah. Some people don't have traditionally "strong" voices but their quality of music helped their voices shine, like Diana Ross for instance. Comparing her to Aretha was always stupid but if you put her work by itself she actually has some rich quality music. People would say "that's changed" but I'm one of the few who don't believe it. The more things the more they stay the same.

Unholyalliance said:

TylerHippie said:

It's not easy either. It takes people years to master drums, guitar and piano. Plus singing. Come on.

It depends how dedicated they are to learning how to play. What you are calling 'talent' is really hard work and dedication.

Yep, if you ain't dedicated to it, playing instruments means hogwash.

Timmy84 said:

RKJCNE said:

Just because an artist can play an instrument does not make them more talented than an artist who does not.

People seem to be under this impression that being able to play an instrument is something rare, it's not. It really isn't. I think stage presence and the ability to work a crowd is a much less common talent.

I definitely see two sides of the coin. Not everybody can play instruments and not everybody can go onstage and entertain with ten people backing you up in a choreographed stage show. There's hard work in both, believe it or not (to those who just only believe that all you have to do is sing like a gospel singer and play instruments ).

Example: Chaka Khan: in my thirty years of seeing that sista in concert, she mostly stands flat footed and sings. Does she interact with the crowd? Yes, to some degree. When you can sing and you have damn good band supporting you... the good singing, the music, is the stage presence.

Jill Scott can do the same.

Timmy84 said:

TD3 said:

Nah, that was sarcasm,

I know many people don't a fuck about whether artist lip synch or not. I 'wonder, could there be a connection between not being able to sing and the quality of music.

Nah. Some people don't have traditionally "strong" voices but their quality of music helped their voices shine, like Diana Ross for instance. Comparing her to Aretha was always stupid but if you put her work by itself she actually has some rich quality music. People would say "that's changed" but I'm one of the few who don't believe it. The more things the more they stay the same.

If you can't sing the quality of music isn't going to save you. Ross and Franklin recorded some songs that were dudes and their respective talents couldn't save those songs either. Ross can sing, she can not get down like Franklin but you know what? There's a lot things Dinah Washington could do that Aretha Franklin would have to sale her soul to the devil.

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

Nah. Some people don't have traditionally "strong" voices but their quality of music helped their voices shine, like Diana Ross for instance. Comparing her to Aretha was always stupid but if you put her work by itself she actually has some rich quality music. People would say "that's changed" but I'm one of the few who don't believe it. The more things the more they stay the same.

If you can't sing the quality of music isn't going to save you. Ross and Franklin recorded some songs that were dudes and their respective talents couldn't save those songs either. Ross can sing, she can not get down like Franklin but you know what? There's a lot things Dinah Washington could do that Aretha Franklin would have to sale her soul to the devil.

Yeah and not every singer will be right for every song. There's definitely been many cases where legendary artists will do covers of other people's songs and come off sounding mechanical lol

Music isn't dead...it just took a long vacation...

purplethunder3121 said:

Music isn't dead...it just took a long vacation...

More like WE'RE dying.

I just can't believe (Mostly what Vainandy said) that you all have segregated gay clubs over there (Black gay and white gay), because in our country we have gay clubs that are full of people of all races, and the music that is played is a variety of stuff, hardcore trance, Judy Garland, hip hop, Kylie, Lena Horne, Prince and Shirley Bassey may all follow each other, and then a drag queen will hop up and perform. In NZ we have white people, Polynesians (Maori and Pacific Islander), Asian (Thai and Philippino mostly) and they all get on fine, every now and then we get black people too, as there is an African nightclub up the road, and everyone mingles. Your gay clubs all sound sad.

But I agree about music, the shit hop of today sounds alot like the stuff 10 years ago, and the same for the nu metal and rock music. Pop is mainly dominated by scantily clad sex kittens with squeaky voices (Think Bratz set to music), and every song has the line "feat" in the artist description, theres no instruments just drum machines with 80s sampling and overblinged dudes saying fuck every second word.

Lady Gaga has sold out and Bruno Mars is way overrated, sadly he stands head and shoulders amongst Diddy, Kanye, Kesha etc.

Adorecream said:

I just can't believe (Mostly what Vainandy said) that you all have segregated gay clubs over there (Black gay and white gay), because in our country we have gay clubs that are full of people of all races, and the music that is played is a variety of stuff, hardcore trance, Judy Garland, hip hop, Kylie, Lena Horne, Prince and Shirley Bassey may all follow each other, and then a drag queen will hop up and perform. In NZ we have white people, Polynesians (Maori and Pacific Islander), Asian (Thai and Philippino mostly) and they all get on fine, every now and then we get black people too, as there is an African nightclub up the road, and everyone mingles. Your gay clubs all sound sad.

But I agree about music, the shit hop of today sounds alot like the stuff 10 years ago, and the same for the nu metal and rock music. Pop is mainly dominated by scantily clad sex kittens with squeaky voices (Think Bratz set to music), and every song has the line "feat" in the artist description, theres no instruments just drum machines with 80s sampling and overblinged dudes saying fuck every second word.

Lady Gaga has sold out and Bruno Mars is way overrated, sadly he stands head and shoulders amongst Diddy, Kanye, Kesha etc.

The clubs aren't segregated. Anyone is welcome in any club. They just happen to be predominately white or predominately black. The crowd that happens to come, comes according to the type of music that is played that they want to hear or the type of man they are looking for.

I'm white and have always loved disco, funk, and R&B music. I also love some black men. Naturally, when I first came out of the closet in 1990, I went to the black club. The black club, at that time, played house music. The white club, at that time, played some house music but they also played some other music like Depeche Mode and a lot of Hi NRG type music. The house music in the black club was much more funky than the house music in the white club. The white club played a lot of Euro type techno music which just wasn't as funky as the house music over in the black club which was much more danceable. The two clubs were right across the street from each other and the white club usually closed earlier than the black club so some of the white people came over to the black club when it got real late. At that time, there was only one black person that went to the white club. The blacks just didn't want to go over there because it wasn't as much fun.

However, as the late 1990s rolled on in and funky black house music practically became extinct, shit hop took over the black club. The older blacks despised it, and who could blame them. It was too slow to dance to and Lord knows, it was boring as hell. The older blacks started going to the white club because the trance stuff was at least tolerable. People with taste got to where they couldn't stand to be in the same room with the shit hop. The black club turned into a thugged out Romper Room with nothing but youngsters because all the older blacks were over in the white club. By the time the mid 2000s came along, older people started just staying home and having get togethers where they could play good disco or house music and not have to listen to the bullshit. A lot of them have since died though (many had AIDS since the late 1980s). A lot of them moved off to big cities such as Chicago and Atlanta, only to call back down here talking about how it's just as boring over there as it is here in Jackson. Most of them had never had computers or internet. A computer is still a major purchase and a lot of people still can't afford one. I told them that shit hop wasn't just a local thing, that it was a worldwide virus that just wouldn't go away but they still had in their head that Chicago was still throwing down that house music like they had been leaders in the late 1980s and that Jackson was just behind. Well, when they got up there, they found out that Jackson is no further behind than the rest of the nation. The whole nation has been taken over with shit hop. So, there's just no party any more. Everyone older is either dead or moved away, except for a very few who just don't go out anymore because it's so damn boring.

The funny thing is, this younger generation vs. the older generation is totally different than previous generations. When I first started going out in 1990, I used to see an old queen here and there and they didn't like our scene because we were playing all this fast stuff and they wanted to hear show tunes and some of them even liked classical music. Just an all around slower generation that just couldn't keep up with us because we were too fast for them. But with this younger generation, it's the exact opposite. We still want to party and we want to party hard but these youngsters have tastes as soft, slow, and dull as a Lawrence Welk concert. I've never seen anything like it before in my life. Young people that can't keep up with older people. It's rediculous.

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vainandy said:

Young people that can't keep up with older people. It's rediculous.

Don't you know that dancing is not "keepin' it real"? Why do you think MC Hammer, Heavy D, & Vanilla Ice died out? Breakdancing is now only popular in Japan.

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

Young people that can't keep up with older people. It's rediculous.

Don't you know that dancing is not "keepin' it real"? Why do you think MC Hammer, Heavy D, & Vanilla Ice died out? Breakdancing is now only popular in Japan.

Who's breakdancing? Hell, I'm not about to break my neck. I'm talkin' about ass shakin'.

vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

Don't you know that dancing is not "keepin' it real"? Why do you think MC Hammer, Heavy D, & Vanilla Ice died out? Breakdancing is now only popular in Japan.

Who's breakdancing? Hell, I'm not about to break my neck. I'm talkin' about ass shakin'.

THANK YOU.

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