Last decade was decade of faux R'N'B mixed with shit hop.

Now days even R'n'b artist try to copy electro pop music.

It's great to be like that because at least electro pop is much more adventureus.

R&B artists that you speak of were doing pop and dance all this time, they are just called that cause of their skin colour, as it's been said numerous times on this site

I've heard some of that "electro pop" or whatever the hell it's being called these days. I hear traces of acid or trance in it, or whatever the hell it's called, which came from house and eventually ruined house just like shit hop came from rap and eventually ruined it. None of it is new, just a continuation of the same things that ruined previous genres.

If folks can't strip off all hints of the elements that ruined the genres and go back to the way they originally were when they sounded strong and funky, then they need to either come up with a completely new and different sounding genre altogether or sit their ass down and don't make any new music at all. I want something that sounds like the 1990s and 2000s never even existed. Something that either continues where we were before music turned into shit or starts over completely from scratch and sounds like nothing we've ever heard before.

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thebanishedone said:

Last decade was decade of faux R'N'B mixed with shit hop.

Now days even R'n'b artist try to copy electro pop music.

It's great to be like that because at least electro pop is much more adventureus.

Umm...isn't electro a type pf sound that has been and can be incoporated into various genres of music?!

Sorry but in my own rnb pretty much sux. Prince is not really an rnb artist. He just uses it from time to time. Most of the time when he does I do not like it. I HATE Future Baby Mama. Soul and Funk are awesome. RNB however is some of the most uninteresting, bland, boring music ever. Hate me if you wanna but when I hear rnb I will usually quickly get away from it. Great voices cant save this shitty genre. Electro however is awesome. Been a fan for a long time.

Prince started out doing r&b and pop at the same time he started his career, and obviously a genre that's still part of his music, just like his taste for rock, jazz, pop, gospel, latin, funk, blues, etc. which he fuses many of those styles within his songs.

Perhaps you didn't listen carefully in "I wanna be your lover", because that's one of the r&b tracks that stood out, and became a classic. It's all there in many of his classic r&b ballads, such as "Adore, Insatiable, How You Don't Call Me Anymore", etc. R&B was born out of rock & roll and blues. That's a genre that is part of Prince's signature, although you cannot put him in one category of music, because his music/artistic/creative skills are not limited, and he's proven that for the past 30 years. Even if some folks may not like r&b, r&b is not dead, because you have plenty of artists that love and sing r&b, and many others who emulate the styles of r&b artists of the 60s and 70s, without a doubt, but many today may also classify r&b as Neo-Soul.

Who could not love the classic r&b ballads of the "Blue light in the basement" eras, like the Delfonics, Stylistics, Blue Magic, Black Ivory, etc., whose styles were borrowed from earlier blues/rock/r&b artists. R&B may not be as much in demand to the mainstream today, but that's because there's so many music styles borrowed from it, but it's definitely not a dead genre.

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2elijah said:

R&B was born out of rock & roll and blues.

It's the other way around. Rock 'N Roll came from R&B and blues mixed with some country & western. Rock 'N Roll was really R&B (or race music) by white people when it started out. That's why some of the acts (like Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis) were played on black radio stations at the time.

MickyDolenz said:

2elijah said:

R&B was born out of rock & roll and blues.

It's the other way around. Rock 'N Roll came from R&B and blues mixed with some country & western. Rock 'N Roll was really R&B (or race music) by white people when it started out. That's why some of the acts (like Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis) were played on black radio stations at the time.

Nope, I don't see it that way. Blues with a touch of the "gospel" , "folk music" sounds and rock and roll came first. Sister Rosetta Tharpe, with her mixture of gospel/rock & roll in the 1930s/1940s is a great example.

Howling Wolf

Howlin' Wolf
(Born Chester Arthur Burnett)

June 10, 1910 - January 10, 1976
Birthplace: West Point, Mississippi

Howlin' Wolf was possibly the most electrifying performer in modern blues history and a recording artist whose only rivals among his contemporaries were Sonny Boy Williamson (Rice Miller), Little Walter, and Muddy Waters. Like these artists, Wolf was a dean of electric Chicago blues during the genre's heyday in the 1950s and early 1960s.

If you go back to the early styles of blues/folk music style of Robert Johnson and others, then over to the 30s, 40s and 50s at some of the blues legends like Howling Wolf with his deep blues roots, and rock & roll and rockabilly style of legends like chuck berry, their music was mixed with the blues/rock sounds. Then in the 50s you had the acapella style groups basically introducing the early form of r&b ballads.

If you hear BBKing, without question you hear his mix of blues-rock., which you can throw in some sounds of country music, because country music is a jump off of blues and folk music. In the mid 60s to almost late 70s, is when you had the new form of r&b ballads/love songs of groups like the Delfonics, Stylistics, etc., all the sounds developed from the early blues/gospel/rock era.

Speaking of Jerry Lee Lewis, his style was the same as Chuck Berry. Elvis used to frequent black clubs (according to what James Brown stated in his book) to get a feel of that "gospel/blues" sound he loved from listening to black groups.

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2elijah said:

MickyDolenz said:

It's the other way around. Rock 'N Roll came from R&B and blues mixed with some country & western. Rock 'N Roll was really R&B (or race music) by white people when it started out. That's why some of the acts (like Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis) were played on black radio stations at the time.

Nope, I don't see it that way. Blues with a touch of the "gospel" sound and rock and roll came first. If you go back to the early styles of Robert Johnson, then way over to the mid 40s and 50s at some of the blues legends like Howling Wolf with his deep blues roots, and rock and roll and rockabilly style of legends like chuck berry, their music was mixed with the blues/rock sounds.

If you hear BBKing, without question you hear his mix of blues-rock., which you can throw in some sounds of country music, because country music is a jump off of blues music. In the mid 60s to almost late 70s, is when you had the r&b ballads/love songs of groups like the Delfonics, Stylistics, etc., all developed from blues/gospel/rock.

Rock N Roll was originally black slang for sex, not music. At the time acts like Little Richard and Chuck Berry were called R&B or race music. That's why many older whites complained about Rock N Roll acts were "corrupting the youth" with "black" music. Rock N Roll as the title of a music genre was named later, supposedly by Alan Freed. Like doo wop as a title was coined in the mid 1960's, not when the music was out in the 1950's. They were called vocal groups. Acts like The Delfonics were called soul, not R&B. When it 1st came into popularity, soul was considered watered down R&B by some of the older R&B fans. In the same way some bop jazz listeners called fusion watered down and designed to crossover.

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MickyDolenz said:

2elijah said:

Nope, I don't see it that way. Blues with a touch of the "gospel" sound and rock and roll came first. If you go back to the early styles of Robert Johnson, then way over to the mid 40s and 50s at some of the blues legends like Howling Wolf with his deep blues roots, and rock and roll and rockabilly style of legends like chuck berry, their music was mixed with the blues/rock sounds.

If you hear BBKing, without question you hear his mix of blues-rock., which you can throw in some sounds of country music, because country music is a jump off of blues music. In the mid 60s to almost late 70s, is when you had the r&b ballads/love songs of groups like the Delfonics, Stylistics, etc., all developed from blues/gospel/rock.

Rock N Roll was originally black slang for sex, not music. At the time acts like Little Richard and Chuck Berry were called R&B or race music. Rock N Roll as the title of a music genre was named later, supposedly by Alan Freed. Like doo wop as a title was coined in the mid 1960's, not when the music was out in the 1950's. They were called vocal groups. Acts like The Delfonics were called soul, not R&B. When it 1st came into popularity, soul was considered watered down R&B by some of the older R&B fans. In the same way some bop jazz listeners called fusion watered down and designed to crossover.

Yeah, yeah, I know all about music from black musicians, being referred to as "race" or "jungle" music. The term R&B became more of a popular use during the mid/late 60s to present day. Delfonics were referred to as an r&b group and soul and r&b were considered the same type of music, lumped in the same category, just like the early days of "Soul Train" when the music of African-American musicians/artists/groups was referred to as either soul/funk/r&b, like Isaac Hayes, Barry White, etc. just to name a few.

It's like today, many are referring to r&b as Neo-Soul when in my opinion, it's really just r&b. Point is, r&b was formed out of blues/gospel/boogie/rock. Back in the 20s - 50s many black musicians/artists were referred to as blues or blues/rock, rock&roll, rockabilly or jazz artists. No disrespect. To my recollection the term r&b was used more in the mid 60s through present day. Looks like we will not agree on this, so we will have to agree to disagree.

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meisme said:

Sorry but in my own rnb pretty much sux. Prince is not really an rnb artist. He just uses it from time to time. Most of the time when he does I do not like it. I HATE Future Baby Mama. Soul and Funk are awesome. RNB however is some of the most uninteresting, bland, boring music ever. Hate me if you wanna but when I hear rnb I will usually quickly get away from it. Great voices cant save this shitty genre. Electro however is awesome. Been a fan for a long time.

R&B doesnt even sound like R&B anymore

mjscarousal said:

R&B doesnt even sound like R&B anymore

What is it supposed to sound like?

People got tired of the same ol song most of those artists who are doing “R&B’ or Black Pop are just not interesting or putting any effort in their music. I considered Maxwell and Musiq Soulchild etc to be real R&B and they still manage to put out decent music. The 106 & park crowd are just not hot anymore. I used to be really into it but I rarely listen now.

Electro pop is corny, noisy, obnoxious and trendy. I think 95% of it sounds ridiculously unlistenable. Not all of us drop acid and wear skinny jeans. It's basically what teen pop was in the late 90s and very early 2000s, and I predict it will fall out of favor very soon. R&B and hip hop will always be around, because black people aren't going to give them up. And in the world of pop music, the pendulem ALWAYS swings back toward black music at some point. So enjoy Gaga, Katy & Co. for now, I have a feeling next year when people are officially sick of those tarts, hip hop will be ruling the roust again.

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Unholyalliance said:

mjscarousal said:

R&B doesnt even sound like R&B anymore

What is it supposed to sound like?

Rhythm and Blues... not POP or Hip Hop

NaQu said:

Electro pop is corny, noisy, obnoxious and trendy. I think 95% of it sounds ridiculously unlistenable. Not all of us drop acid and wear skinny jeans. It's basically what teen pop was in the late 90s and very early 2000s, and I predict it will fall out of favor very soon. R&B and hip hop will always be around, because black people aren't going to give them up. And in the world of pop music, the pendulem ALWAYS swings back toward black music at some point. So enjoy Gaga, Katy & Co. for now, I have a feeling next year when people are officially sick of those tarts, hip hop will be ruling the roust again.

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Probably because the music genre’s always go in circles but still Hip Hop & R&B have to step up. Hip Hop is kind of stale now except for Lupe, J. Cole, Kanye and a few others. Can’t blame people for exposing their selves to others things.

To me, everyone venturing out in 2010-2011 to this so-called "electro" or Euro style is reminiscent of every soul artist recording a new wave jam in 1983 or 1984. People have to stop assuming that these efforts are not genuine just because some of them crossover with this style.

vainandy said:

I've heard some of that "electro pop" or whatever the hell it's being called these days. I hear traces of acid or trance in it, or whatever the hell it's called, which came from house and eventually ruined house just like shit hop came from rap and eventually ruined it. None of it is new, just a continuation of the same things that ruined previous genres.

If folks can't strip off all hints of the elements that ruined the genres and go back to the way they originally were when they sounded strong and funky, then they need to either come up with a completely new and different sounding genre altogether or sit their ass down and don't make any new music at all. I want something that sounds like the 1990s and 2000s never even existed. Something that either continues where we were before music turned into shit or starts over completely from scratch and sounds like nothing we've ever heard before.

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Actually I think the 90's was the best era in hip hop. After that dirty south shit started coming in at the end of that decade, hip hop truely became shit hop.

MickyDolenz said:

2elijah said:

R&B was born out of rock & roll and blues.

It's the other way around. Rock 'N Roll came from R&B and blues mixed with some country & western. Rock 'N Roll was really R&B (or race music) by white people when it started out. That's why some of the acts (like Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis) were played on black radio stations at the time.

mjscarousal said:

Unholyalliance said:

What is it supposed to sound like?

Rhythm and Blues... not POP or Hip Hop

Rhythm & Blues hasn't existed since the 1950's. There's no "blues" in what is now called R&B or "rhythm" for that matter.

HohnerCatcher said:

To me, everyone venturing out in 2010-2011 to this so-called "electro" or Euro style is reminiscent of every soul artist recording a new wave jam in 1983 or 1984. People have to stop assuming that these efforts are not genuine just because some of them crossover with this style.

You know what I mean? It had a similar reaction. In time you look back and see it as a bit of a trend but still some jams came out of that era.