daood said:

Harlepolis said:

I think it was either "Don't Wanna Change The World" or "You Know How To Love Me", I'm not sure.

Thanks! It was "You Know How To Love Me." Now listen to that song (You Know How To Love Me) and those two and tell me there is not a qualitative difference in the music arrangement and the complimentary vocal melody.

I figure it was that one. She's actually more famous for that one than "Don't Wanna Change the World" and oddly YKHTLM was only No. 12 R&B. But it WAS No. 6 dance though lol

Timmy84 said:

Harlepolis said:

I think it was either "Don't Wanna Change The World" or "You Know How To Love Me", I'm not sure.

"Don't Wanna Change the World" was her only No. 1 so it could be that one but "You Know How to Love Me" hit more charts. I guess either one is correct but I hear more YKHTLM than DWCTW nowadays.

YKHTLM is a more catchy song.

Wasn't most of her material primarily ballads?

robertlove said:

Whitney Houston! I loooooove her voice, but most of her material doesn't do it for me. It's all too save for me, just like Mariah.

[Edited 6/17/11 11:12am]

You didn't love "Love Is a Contact Sport" by Whitney??

daood said:

Timmy84 said:

"Don't Wanna Change the World" was her only No. 1 so it could be that one but "You Know How to Love Me" hit more charts. I guess either one is correct but I hear more YKHTLM than DWCTW nowadays.

YKHTLM is a more catchy song.

Wasn't most of her material primarily ballads?

And jazz songs too.

daood said:

Harlepolis said:

I think it was either "Don't Wanna Change The World" or "You Know How To Love Me", I'm not sure.

Thanks! It was "You Know How To Love Me." Now listen to that song (You Know How To Love Me) and those two and tell me there is not a qualitative difference in the music arrangement and the complimentary vocal melody.

Of course there is. One is a mid-tempo, the other two are ballads The former emphasized on the rhythm, the latter two emphasized on the lyrics and the mood of what was conveyed in the lyrics(which was usually Madame Hyman's forte in general).

THIS BITCH RIGHT HUR

I LOVE her voice, but the material she puts out so rarely gives it justice.

Harlepolis said:

daood said:

Thanks! It was "You Know How To Love Me." Now listen to that song (You Know How To Love Me) and those two and tell me there is not a qualitative difference in the music arrangement and the complimentary vocal melody.

Of course there is. One is a mid-tempo, the other two are ballads The former emphasized on the rhythm, the latter two emphasized on the lyrics and the mood of what was conveyed in the lyrics(which was usually Madame Hyman's forte in general).

Have to agree with that. She was a genius with that. She did something Whitney and 'em didn't do. Maybe that's why I probably would listen to all of her material than I would of Whitney or Patti. She doesn't oversing, soul music is not always about shouting, it's about expression and Phyllis surely had that in bundles!

Harlepolis said:

daood said:

Thanks! It was "You Know How To Love Me." Now listen to that song (You Know How To Love Me) and those two and tell me there is not a qualitative difference in the music arrangement and the complimentary vocal melody.

Of course there is. One is a mid-tempo, the other two are ballads The former emphasized on the rhythm, the latter two emphasized on the lyrics and the mood of what was conveyed in the lyrics(which was usually Madame Hyman's forte in general).

Okay, when I spoke of difference what I should have stated is that a lot of her ballad arrangements is not as melodic as YKHTLM. That to me was the missing element. Isn't she the one in a duet with Michael Henderson on the song, "We Both Need Each Other." That song is a ballad and its a catchy song. The two that are listed here are not.

daood said:

Does Cheryl Lynn fit this category as well?

Encore

Fidelity

If You Were Mine

I Just Wanna Be Your Fantasy

It's Gonna Be Right

Got To Be Real

Shake It Up Tonight

Sleep Walking

Sweet Kind Of Life

imo...no

Shango said:

daood said:

Does Cheryl Lynn fit this category as well?

Encore

Fidelity

If You Were Mine

I Just Wanna Be Your Fantasy

It's Gonna Be Right

Got To Be Real

Shake It Up Tonight

Sleep Walking

Sweet Kind Of Life

imo...no

Ms. Lynn's material was top notch.

Timmy84 said: Ms. Lynn's material was top notch.

And sangin' like fya on one of Sinbad's 90's Summer Jams

Shango said:

Timmy84 said: Ms. Lynn's material was top notch.

And sangin' like fya on one of Sinbad's 90's Summer Jams

Yessir! I still remember that. She and Evelyn... GODDAMN!!!!

Oh yeah, Queen Ev'Lyn Kang indeed also "gettin' loose", ha !

Jennifer Hudson

Her songs are either cheesy as fuck or trying so hard to be cool that it's laughable.

Alej said:

Jennifer Hudson

Her songs are either cheesy as fuck or trying so hard to be cool that it's laughable.

Jennifer's music just plain SUCKS.

Timmy84 said:

Alej said:

Jennifer Hudson

Her songs are either cheesy as fuck or trying so hard to be cool that it's laughable.

Jennifer's music just plain SUCKS.

I'm guilty of having her debut album

I must say that the only song that I really like and can play over and over is Giving Myself. The rest of the album is just

Shango said:

daood said:

Does Cheryl Lynn fit this category as well?

Encore

Fidelity

If You Were Mine

I Just Wanna Be Your Fantasy

It's Gonna Be Right

Got To Be Real

Shake It Up Tonight

Sleep Walking

Sweet Kind Of Life

imo...no

Okay

MidniteMagnet said:

robertlove said:

Whitney Houston! I loooooove her voice, but most of her material doesn't do it for me. It's all too save for me, just like Mariah.

[Edited 6/17/11 11:12am]

You didn't love "Love Is a Contact Sport" by Whitney??

Never heard that one! I'll give it a listen.

I like some tracks of her (One of these days, All the man, learned from the best, Susan for example), but i could never finish a whole album by her.

With a voice like that, i wished she had done something different, maybe even jazz or something.

In this clip, she really gives me chills, but it's not with her own material:

Timmy84 said:

Shango said:

Encore

Fidelity

If You Were Mine

I Just Wanna Be Your Fantasy

It's Gonna Be Right

Got To Be Real

Shake It Up Tonight

Sleep Walking

Sweet Kind Of Life

imo...no

Ms. Lynn's material was top notch.

i love cheryl lynn, she has amazing songs, but not that many. Believe me I have some of her albums and wish she would have had more hit songs.

Fidelity is Encore part 2.

Have to agree Whitney first came to mind! to many love songs in her output man she could have done so much more with her talents!!

Jazz would have been a great fit for her! even blues i mean obviously the pop/rock/R&B thing did her good but the constant love songs where annoying as hell.

Celine Dion is another amazing voice to many cheesy love songs Mariah as well.

I think i would put Boys II Men, Steve Perry, Taylor Dayne.

I love all of them but once again TO MANY love songs i don't hate love songs at all but when you have a strong voice. You could have a lot to say[or your writer ] and doing love song after love song just get's silly.

And a special shout to my boy R. Kelly post 90's songs... do i even need to say why?

Luckily he got back on the track big time with Love Letter! i love it so much i almost forgive him for Double Up, Chocolate Factory, Untitled, TP2 & TP3

post-2005 Mariah

Beverly Knight. She might had actually made it big if it wasn't for her fuck awful songs.

Mariah Carey post 2000- she was trying to go Miss Hip Hop and with the talent she had her music became watered down.

Tamia- not all the time because her biggest hits were actually good songs but after Stranger In My House they tried to give her stupid synthetic R&B material.

Keyshia Cole- her voice is not bad but they try to hard to make her the next Mary J Blige by giving her overbearing music to gloss over her voice.

Toni Braxton- After her 2000 album The Heat she started doing bad songs and over sexualizing herself and she was not the same Toni Braxton we loved.

Shakira- even though not a favorite I do think Shakira can sing her English debut music ablum was pretty good but her best music was pre blonde Shakira. Donde Esta Las Ladrones was a fantastic album.

Rick Astley

Mariah Carey

Diana Ross (post-1982)

Celine Dion

Whitney Houston

Jennifer Hudson

Charice

Celine Dion

Tamia

Janelle Monae

Layzie said:

Jennifer Hudson

Charice

Celine Dion

Tamia

Janelle Monae

SWEET. BABY. JESUS.

Those two give me cancer. CANCER.

TotalAlisa said: Fidelity is Encore part 2.

yeah, that's what i always thought it as well

Harlepolis said:

Timmy84 said:

I have to agree. Her first two albums were flawless though. I'm scared to hear full albums after that. Goddess of Love definitely is something I'm fearful of listening especially with Phyllis' heart not really being in it.

Ya'll are crazy

Even Goddess of Love have some winning moments if you take out that Riding The Tiger atrocity. But overall, Phyllis Hyman's discography is top notch.

right! I love Phyllis albums... there maybe a few bombs on the album... but some gems as well. I am in the process of building my own collection of Phyllis material and so far everything I have I .