Timmy84 said:

daPrettyman said:

Maybe so, but we have to take in consideration that music is everchanging. Toni tried to change with the times. She did hip-hop soul trax, pop ballads, etc.

The biggest mistake she made was trying to leave LaFace/Arista. She thought she could compete with the Destiny's Childs of the late 90s when she should have continued evolving as a pop singer. She should have left the hip-hop tracks to the kids and continued to make pop songs.

She sold out to hip-hop, that's as brunt as I can put it. I can't excuse that she just simply "wanted to change with the times". I could understand it when Prince, Michael and Madonna did it because they still had their trademark sound but it seems like Toni forgot where she came from...

Exactly...she is better off trying acting out or something.

Nothing but a desperate attempt to promote a reality TV show nobody wanted to watch.

I sort of lost interest with her 4th album for sounding too hip hop cause I was getting tired of it that year and didn't end up buying it like her first 3 albums. But I checked it out later and that Neptunes single sounded okay, and she has some non hip-hop sounding songs on the album, so maybe it was just marketed as hip hop and failed to sell as a result? Libra had some good songs too, sounding like what Mariah had out at the time.

Damnit I miss the old Toni.

OK, let's see....there's Tony Toni Tone. That's three Tony's right there that I can think of right off the top of my head that could be posing nude. But wouldn't ya know it, they'd have to go and choose a damn fish.

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vainandy said:

OK, let's see....there's Tony Toni Tone. That's three Tony's right there that I can think of right off the top of my head that could be posing nude. But wouldn't ya know it, they'd have to go and choose a damn fish.

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phunkdaddy said:

TonyVanDam said:

It's never too late to find out if Toni is well trimmed or close shaved.

I prefer bush.

Normally, I would agree. But since we're talking about female bush, here ya go.......

vainandy said:

phunkdaddy said:

I prefer bush.

Normally, I would agree. But since we're talking about female bush, here ya go.......

Timmy84 said:

daPrettyman said:

Maybe so, but we have to take in consideration that music is everchanging. Toni tried to change with the times. She did hip-hop soul trax, pop ballads, etc.

The biggest mistake she made was trying to leave LaFace/Arista. She thought she could compete with the Destiny's Childs of the late 90s when she should have continued evolving as a pop singer. She should have left the hip-hop tracks to the kids and continued to make pop songs.

She sold out to hip-hop, that's as brunt as I can put it. I can't excuse that she just simply "wanted to change with the times". I could understand it when Prince, Michael and Madonna did it because they still had their trademark sound but it seems like Toni forgot where she came from...

It's ironic that her first two albums sounded so much more "adult" than the teenybopper hip-hop stuff that she started doing later.She really should have stuck with what she does best.....warm,soulful songs like "Breathe Again" and smooth pop ballads like "Unbreak My Heart".That's what her audience wants to hear.

jpnyc said:

Nothing but a desperate attempt to promote a reality TV show nobody wanted to watch.

Nobody wanted to watch in the beginning, but now it's a hit because of Tamar. Tamar is definitely the star of the show...DOT COM!!!

Timmy84 said:

daPrettyman said:

Maybe so, but we have to take in consideration that music is everchanging. Toni tried to change with the times. She did hip-hop soul trax, pop ballads, etc.

The biggest mistake she made was trying to leave LaFace/Arista. She thought she could compete with the Destiny's Childs of the late 90s when she should have continued evolving as a pop singer. She should have left the hip-hop tracks to the kids and continued to make pop songs.

She sold out to hip-hop, that's as brunt as I can put it. I can't excuse that she just simply "wanted to change with the times". I could understand it when Prince, Michael and Madonna did it because they still had their trademark sound but it seems like Toni forgot where she came from...

Co-sign!!!!!! Reminds me of Patti n all dem doin' "New Jack Swing"........YUCK!!!!!!

This is not cool.com

woogiebear said:

Timmy84 said:

She sold out to hip-hop, that's as brunt as I can put it. I can't excuse that she just simply "wanted to change with the times". I could understand it when Prince, Michael and Madonna did it because they still had their trademark sound but it seems like Toni forgot where she came from...

Co-sign!!!!!! Reminds me of Patti n all dem doin' "New Jack Swing"........YUCK!!!!!!

Ugh, I finally got to listen to Patti's 1990s albums and I agree, Patti LaBelle and New Jack Swing was a real mismatch.

babybugz said:

This is not cool.com

Timmy84 said:

woogiebear said:

Co-sign!!!!!! Reminds me of Patti n all dem doin' "New Jack Swing"........YUCK!!!!!!

Ugh, I finally got to listen to Patti's 1990s albums and I agree, Patti LaBelle and New Jack Swing was a real mismatch.

Which albums did u listen to?

I actually kind of liked "Burnin'." There were some good mid-tempos and ballads, while the up tempos sounded really dated.

"Gems" was hit and miss (but New Jack was dead by the time it came out).

daPrettyman said:

Timmy84 said:

Ugh, I finally got to listen to Patti's 1990s albums and I agree, Patti LaBelle and New Jack Swing was a real mismatch.

Which albums did u listen to?

I actually kind of liked "Burnin'." There were some good mid-tempos and ballads, while the up tempos sounded really dated.

"Gems" was hit and miss (but New Jack was dead by the time it came out).

Burnin' and Gems. The uptempo ones were Except for "Somebody Loves You", "I Hear Your Voice", "When You've Been Blessed" and "The Love Never Dies" I was eh with the rest of the ballads. Gems was just

daPrettyman said:

jpnyc said:

Nothing but a desperate attempt to promote a reality TV show nobody wanted to watch.

Nobody wanted to watch in the beginning, but now it's a hit because of Tamar. Tamar is definitely the star of the show...DOT COM!!!

And as a result she will have her own show.

Timmy84 said:

woogiebear said:

Co-sign!!!!!! Reminds me of Patti n all dem doin' "New Jack Swing"........YUCK!!!!!!

Ugh, I finally got to listen to Patti's 1990s albums and I agree, Patti LaBelle and New Jack Swing was a real mismatch.

So was Micheal Cooper's Just What I Like album. The ballads that were hit singles were

cool but most of the album was a New Jack mess.

phunkdaddy said:

daPrettyman said:

Nobody wanted to watch in the beginning, but now it's a hit because of Tamar. Tamar is definitely the star of the show...DOT COM!!!

And as a result she will have her own show.

It's coming sooner or later.

daPrettyman said:

Timmy84 said:

Ugh, I finally got to listen to Patti's 1990s albums and I agree, Patti LaBelle and New Jack Swing was a real mismatch.

Which albums did u listen to?

I actually kind of liked "Burnin'." There were some good mid-tempos and ballads, while the up tempos sounded really dated.

"Gems" was hit and miss (but New Jack was dead by the time it came out).

Specifically the song "Feels Like Another One"!!!!!

And NOT JUST Patti LaBelle-there's more artisis who jumped on THAT bandwagon

....and it PRETTY MUCH SUCKED!!!!!!

woogiebear said:

daPrettyman said:

Which albums did u listen to?

I actually kind of liked "Burnin'." There were some good mid-tempos and ballads, while the up tempos sounded really dated.

"Gems" was hit and miss (but New Jack was dead by the time it came out).

Specifically the song "Feels Like Another One"!!!!!

And NOT JUST Patti LaBelle-there's more artisis who jumped on THAT bandwagon

....and it PRETTY MUCH SUCKED!!!!!!

A classic soul/funk act doing new jack swing reeked of real desperation.

rialb said:

leonche64 said:

This is seriously like a decade too late.

Agreed. If this happened in 1996 it would have been HUGE, in 2011 it warrants a meh.

I agree.It's like she's getting desperate to keep her name in the news.It's a shame that she doesn't realize that a good album would do the trick.She's really made a mess of her career.

So, Toni's gonna take a page out of Miss LaToya's Playboy spread from '89?

^^ and it didn't exactly do much for Latoya's career Unlike LaToya,Toni actually has talent.She just wastes it on whack material and questionable career moves.

SoulAlive said:

^^ and it didn't exactly do much for Latoya's career

I beg to differ. Nobody was studying LaToya until she did Playboy. When she turned herself into sex kitten she had steady work...mostly across seas, thank God.

vainandy said:

OK, let's see....there's Tony Toni Tone. That's three Tony's right there that I can think of right off the top of my head that could be posing nude. But wouldn't ya know it, they'd have to go and choose a damn fish.

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Timmy84 said:

^ 1992-1997 Toni > 2000-present Toni anyways.

So true. Those albums stay on steady repeat in my house. Classic material.

It's like she's aging backwards she was so classy and acted so much more mature in her 20's than she does in her 40's.

daPrettyman said:

jpnyc said:

Nothing but a desperate attempt to promote a reality TV show nobody wanted to watch.

Nobody wanted to watch in the beginning, but now it's a hit because of Tamar. Tamar is definitely the star of the show...DOT COM!!!

Trust me, I do NOT watch the show for Tamar.

lavender1983 said:

Timmy84 said:

^ 1992-1997 Toni > 2000-present Toni anyways.

So true. Those albums stay on steady repeat in my house. Classic material.

It's like she's aging backwards she was so classy and acted so much more mature in her 20's than she does in her 40's.

Yeah man but thats also cause of Babyface he was on a incredible inspired run back then wrting the hits for her like "breathe again" thats one of her best songs. Also love the song "how could an angel break my heart" including the remix with 'face.

NMuzakNSoul said:

lavender1983 said:

So true. Those albums stay on steady repeat in my house. Classic material.

It's like she's aging backwards she was so classy and acted so much more mature in her 20's than she does in her 40's.

Yeah man but thats also cause of Babyface he was on a incredible inspired run back then wrting the hits for her like "breathe again" thats one of her best songs. Also love the song "how could an angel break my heart" including the remix with 'face.

Totally. Babyface helped shape the artist that she once was. The musical styling was very sophisticated and suited her better than anything she tries to do today. If it ain't broke don't try to fix it.