WaterInYourBath said:

gemari77 said:

That stuff drives me crazy too. I don't know if it's an American Idol thing, but more and more in recent years, people who I consider SERIOUS singers (mostly R&B and Gospel) have been hit with the oversinging tag (or worse, the loud singing tag), while technically limited singers get put on a pedestal. It could be an American Idol thing and is probably the reason why the last few winners have been weak...while all the soulful, big voiced diva types barely make it past the auditions. It's seeming like a general cultural shift away from appreciating massive talent, to just being satisfied with and celebrating lazy skill and folks who are just good enough to get by.

I'm not speaking about Beyonce or the posters in this thread specifically, but I don't know at what point we went from applauding people who "sang", to standing in the corner frowning at them with our arms folded.

Indeed. Illogical analysis prevails now. If Aretha or Whitney were young and prevalent with music today, they would be absurdly labeled as "oversingers" "forcing" their voices too. Adept power vocaltists are now dispensable "yellers," while the ones who do just yell/scream noise, talk-sing, or are inaudible are described as "passionate singers," or "extremely skillful." Totally backwards.

I don't, fully, agree with either of you. Whitney and Aretha know the importance of breathing properly and singing rather than yelling. Beyonce's voice cracks a lot and she does some serious yelling rather than singing more than half of the time. There is a HUGE difference. Back in the 90s though, and as of late, there does seem to be a serious case of people oversinging and abusing the shit out of melismas.

Then again, I do see where you are coming from though. My friend always complains to me about how people are so used to mediocrity that they can't handle it when something genuinely good comes along, because they don't know how to approach it. I was saying that, in some ways, people like to see an extension of themselves in what they like. Example, when some celebrities like to give off this air of stupidity even when they are making millions of dollars. I guess, in someways, they want to be perceived as being humble since that is what sells.

I was on a predominantly rock music board and I remember starting a r&b thread there and a lot of them were complaining that what bothers them the most about the music is that everything seems so glossy and perfect, even the singing. It's like something that they can't obtain so they shy away from it. (Not sure about everyone, but these were some of the comments I came across.) For me though, singing is still a pretty important aspect of music, especially when there is a vocalist. If the vocalist is shit I don't bother. The only exception is when it's techno, happy, house, and etc. At that point the less than stellar vocalist is drowned out by the rest of the song.

alot of straining.

Either her voice lost ALOT of power or did this song just expose how weak her voice actually is? :-/

Pressure said:

alot of straining.

Either her voice lost ALOT of power or did this song just expose how weak her voice actually is? :-/

Halleluuuuuuuuuuuuuujah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Finally the blind shades are coming down, and people are seeing beyonce for who she is.

beyonce has been using the blueprint of many other innovative artist, to create her fraudulent career. Now people are truely seeing that behind the smoke and mirrors, beyonce has an average voice, overrated dancing skills, (i will give this too her she is AMAZING at poppin coochie and shakin that a$$, and doing her ghetto crunk club dances), when it comes to techinque in dancing she just doesn't have it.

She basically on youtube when she has an off day and watch videos and older artist so she can copy them. Yes beyonce admitted she got her ideas off of youtube, she said thank God for youtube.

So honestly i can't respect her, she has NEVER made her own blueprint.

MyNameIsPiper said:

Identity said:

She fails to connect on this emotionless and bland track, much like everything she comes near now.

I think that's the problem, too. I liked her first album (and the videos that accompanied the songs) much more than the stuff she's recently put out because the excitement and emotion was there. For me, Crazy in Love > "Single Ladies" AND "Girls"...her "anthems" annoy me . Even Independent Women had me giving DC the side-eye. You went from "Pay My Bills" to "Independent Women" that quickly? Why'd you even bother messin' with a dude (read: leech, moocher) like that in the first place?

If you actually were able to comprehend basic English, you'd know that the protagonist in "Bills, Bills, Bills" is telling her man to pay her bills because he ran them up.

"Independent Women" actually was written to defy that dumb misconception.

ratchetchan said:

MyNameIsPiper said:

I think that's the problem, too. I liked her first album (and the videos that accompanied the songs) much more than the stuff she's recently put out because the excitement and emotion was there. For me, Crazy in Love > "Single Ladies" AND "Girls"...her "anthems" annoy me . Even Independent Women had me giving DC the side-eye. You went from "Pay My Bills" to "Independent Women" that quickly? Why'd you even bother messin' with a dude (read: leech, moocher) like that in the first place?

If you actually were able to comprehend basic English, you'd know that the protagonist in "Bills, Bills, Bills" is telling her man to pay her bills because he ran them up.

"Independent Women" actually was written to defy that dumb misconception.

Ditto

"Bills, Bills, Bills" wasn't about the group needing men to pay all their bills. The song said, "hey, if you use my telephone more than me, pay the bill, if you drive my car more than me, at least fill the tank up and if you swiping my credit card more than me, pay the bill"

She tryin to be R Kelly LOL!

Sounds like something he would sing right after "when a woman loves"!

nd33 said:

She tryin to be R Kelly LOL!

Sounds like something he would sing right after "when a woman loves"!

And "when a woman loves" sound like somethin Sam Cooke would sing after "you send me". Can go on and on.

s' good

surprises me that she can actually sing
I don't like her cliche stage posing though

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nd33 said:

She tryin to be R Kelly LOL!

Sounds like something he would sing right after "when a woman loves"!

I can't believe anyone is trying to go up for R. Kelly and "When a Woman Loves" as being anything original.

Rightly said:

s' good

bsurprises me that she can actually sing
I don't like her cliche stage posing though

[Edited 5/30/11 2:01am]

Where you been like...the past 13 years. "rock" city?? And I don't mean Detroit.

NMuzakNSoul said:

nd33 said:

She tryin to be R Kelly LOL!

Sounds like something he would sing right after "when a woman loves"!

And "when a woman loves" sound like somethin Sam Cooke would sing after "you send me". Can go on and on.

Yeah you guys are totally right!

But although the R Kellys song's backing is a total rip off, he has a unique twist on the vocal nuances.

What I mean is that it sounds like Beyonce heard that particular R Kelly song a couple months ago when it came out and then immediately hit the studio and imitated the vocal style for it, as if to catch the next musical wave of whatever...

ratchetchan said:

nd33 said:

She tryin to be R Kelly LOL!

Sounds like something he would sing right after "when a woman loves"!

I can't believe anyone is trying to go up for R. Kelly and "When a Woman Loves" as being anything original.

Nobody said the song is 'original'. BTW, there's nothing original about Beyonce's song either. It’s evident that 'When A Woman Loves' is inspired by Sam Cooke but nd33 is right. This '1+1' song does sound like something he would write and the vocal styling (minus the straining) are reminiscent to his in ‘When A Woman Loves’.

ratchetchan said:

MyNameIsPiper said:

I think that's the problem, too. I liked her first album (and the videos that accompanied the songs) much more than the stuff she's recently put out because the excitement and emotion was there. For me, Crazy in Love > "Single Ladies" AND "Girls"...her "anthems" annoy me . Even Independent Women had me giving DC the side-eye. You went from "Pay My Bills" to "Independent Women" that quickly? Why'd you even bother messin' with a dude (read: leech, moocher) like that in the first place?

If you actually were able to comprehend basic English, you'd know that the protagonist in "Bills, Bills, Bills" is telling her man to pay her bills because he ran them up.

"Independent Women" actually was written to defy that dumb misconception.

I understand that you refuse to comprehend anything that paints Beyonce in a negative light, but it'swhatever. I'll highlight my previous statement to help you out.

Not a fan of her performance on this song. She sounds way too over rehearsed and determined to give a technically great vocal.

Therefore, emotionally it falls flat for me.

Now if you want to hear the song without the bells and whistles, I urge you to check out The Dream's demo version "Nothing But Love". It's more raw and gets to the emotional core of the song.

BTW, I checked out Wikipedia and find it highly interesting how Beyunsay has the lead writer credit on this track. She gets no respect from me in that department. I can't stand when artists do this.

amit1234 said:

Not a fan of her performance on this song. She sounds way too over rehearsed and determined to give a technically great vocal.

Therefore, emotionally it falls flat for me.

Now if you want to hear the song without the bells and whistles, I urge you to check out The Dream's demo version "Nothing But Love". It's more raw and gets to the emotional core of the song.

BTW, I checked out Wikipedia and find it highly interesting how Beyunsay has the lead writer credit on this track. She gets no respect from me in that department. I can't stand when artists do this.

Eurgh. As a writer and producer The Dream and Tricky C are as good as it gets, but as a singer The Dream leaves a lot to be desired I think.

Too laid back. This will fail on the charts. It doesn't bounce.

MidniteMagnet said:

gemari77 said:

That stuff drives me crazy too. I don't know if it's an American Idol thing, but more and more in recent years, people who I consider SERIOUS singers (mostly R&B and Gospel) have been hit with the oversinging tag (or worse, the loud singing tag), while technically limited singers get put on a pedestal. It could be an American Idol thing and is probably the reason why the last few winners have been weak...while all the soulful, big voiced diva types barely make it past the auditions. It's seeming like a general cultural shift away from appreciating massive talent, to just being satisfied with and celebrating lazy skill and folks who are just good enough to get by.

I'm not speaking about Beyonce or the posters in this thread specifically, but I don't know at what point we went from applauding people who "sang", to standing in the corner frowning at them with our arms folded.

I don't get it either. Aside from Madonna, all my favorite singers can SANG. That's what I look for in a singer. I think one of the issues is that most people can't sing for shit and they want to be able to sing along to songs that they like. It's hard to sing along with someone like Mariah Carey or Ledisi or Beyonce so that kind of singing is deemed oversinging. The only reason I can find for Kesha being so popular is that her stuff is so easy to sing along to.

Look at Adam Lambert. He had a HUGE voice on Idol and when his album came out, they watered his vocals way down. He's soulful and you don't hear that on his crap CD. Even Gaga is much more vocally talented that one can surmise from listening to her songs. It's soo stupid.

Do any of you watct The Voice? Blake Shelton was bitching at one of the male contestants because he did some runs and he thought it took away from the song. The dude barely did 1 vocal run!

People don't even like belting anymore either. They call it screaming. You can't scream with vibrato for God's sake. *rolls eyes*

Thank God for someone speaking the Gospel Truth.

MyNameIsPiper said:

ratchetchan said:

If you actually were able to comprehend basic English, you'd know that the protagonist in "Bills, Bills, Bills" is telling her man to pay her bills because he ran them up.

"Independent Women" actually was written to defy that dumb misconception.

I understand that you refuse to comprehend anything that paints Beyonce in a negative light, but it'swhatever. I'll highlight my previous statement to help you out.

Sorry, I generally stop reading things on the internet after the first infraction of stupidity.

trueiopian said:

ratchetchan said:

I can't believe anyone is trying to go up for R. Kelly and "When a Woman Loves" as being anything original.

Nobody said the song is 'original'. BTW, there's nothing original about Beyonce's song either. It’s evident that 'When A Woman Loves' is inspired by Sam Cooke but nd33 is right. This '1+1' song does sound like something he would write and the vocal styling (minus the straining) are reminiscent to his in ‘When A Woman Loves’.

Nothing about "1+1" sounds like Piss Kelly would write it because the lyrics aren't THAT stupid.

KIIIIIII @ "straining". First of all, Beyoncé doesn't strain. Second of all, THAT'S ALL PISS DOES ON "WHEN A WOMAN LOVES".

ratchetchan said:

trueiopian said:

Nobody said the song is 'original'. BTW, there's nothing original about Beyonce's song either. It’s evident that 'When A Woman Loves' is inspired by Sam Cooke but nd33 is right. This '1+1' song does sound like something he would write and the vocal styling (minus the straining) are reminiscent to his in ‘When A Woman Loves’.

Nothing about "1+1" sounds like Piss Kelly would write it because the lyrics aren't THAT stupid.

KIIIIIII @ "straining". First of all, Beyoncé doesn't strain. Second of all, THAT'S ALL PISS DOES ON "WHEN A WOMAN LOVES".

I don't know much about Algeeeeba, but I know 1 + 1 = 2.

Beyonce does strain. That's all she does n this 1+1 song. I guess it's her attempt at being more 'soulful'.

trueiopian said:

ratchetchan said:

Nothing about "1+1" sounds like Piss Kelly would write it because the lyrics aren't THAT stupid.

KIIIIIII @ "straining". First of all, Beyoncé doesn't strain. Second of all, THAT'S ALL PISS DOES ON "WHEN A WOMAN LOVES".

I don't know much about Algeeeeba, but I know 1 + 1 = 2.

Beyonce does strain. That's all she does n this 1+1 song. I guess it's her attempt at being more 'soulful'.

No. The roughness you hear on "1+1" is probably her crying voice - which leads me to believe that the final vocal was one of the first takes. It's called emoting. It's not straining because that entire song is in her tessitura. A singer strains on notes outside of their tessitura, and the consequence is usually an off-pitch note, and/or a crack - which is what Piss does in that ripoff of a song. "WHENNNNNNNN UHHHHHHHHH UHHHHHHHHHH" pushing so damn hard he can't even enunciate.

Beyoncé will NEVER strain and go off-key for you coons to have something to cry about.

ratchetchan said:

trueiopian said:

I don't know much about Algeeeeba, but I know 1 + 1 = 2.

Beyonce does strain. That's all she does n this 1+1 song. I guess it's her attempt at being more 'soulful'.

No. The roughness you hear on "1+1" is probably her crying voice - which leads me to believe that the final vocal was one of the first takes. It's called emoting. It's not straining because that entire song is in her tessitura. A singer strains on notes outside of their tessitura, and the consequence is usually an off-pitch note, and/or a crack - which is what Piss does in that ripoff of a song. "WHENNNNNNNN UHHHHHHHHH UHHHHHHHHHH" pushing so damn hard he can't even enunciate.

Beyoncé will NEVER strain and go off-key for you coons to have something to cry about.

at any "emoting" in 1+1.

and how is "When a Woman Loves" a rip-off? It's not and he didn't go off pitch and he did that "When uhh" mess on purpose.

at coons.

trueiopian said:

ratchetchan said:

No. The roughness you hear on "1+1" is probably her crying voice - which leads me to believe that the final vocal was one of the first takes. It's called emoting. It's not straining because that entire song is in her tessitura. A singer strains on notes outside of their tessitura, and the consequence is usually an off-pitch note, and/or a crack - which is what Piss does in that ripoff of a song. "WHENNNNNNNN UHHHHHHHHH UHHHHHHHHHH" pushing so damn hard he can't even enunciate.

Beyoncé will NEVER strain and go off-key for you coons to have something to cry about.

at any "emoting" in 1+1.

and how is "When a Woman Loves" a rip-off? It's not and he didn't go off pitch and he did that "When uhh" mess on purpose.

at coons.

[Racial slur N word snip - luv4u]

That "song" is a rip-off of 50s soul with a bunch of lard added in and personality sucked out. It damn sure ain't a tribute, more like an insult with that vocal and that pretentiousness. And no singer cracks on purpose unless they're REALLY stupid. It adds NOTHING.

ratchetchan said:

trueiopian said:

at any "emoting" in 1+1.

and how is "When a Woman Loves" a rip-off? It's not and he didn't go off pitch and he did that "When uhh" mess on purpose.

at coons.

[Racial slur N word snip - luv4u]

That "song" is a rip-off of 50s soul with a bunch of lard added in and personality sucked out. It damn sure ain't a tribute, more like an insult with that vocal and that pretentiousness. And no singer cracks on purpose unless they're REALLY stupid. It adds NOTHING.

What's up with all the derogatory terms?

Rip off? He already mentioned he was paying homage to the old school artists with that song. And his voice didn't crack. He was using his "crying voice".

[Edited 6/5/11 22:57pm]

trueiopian said:

ratchetchan said:

[Racial slur N word snip - luv4u]

That "song" is a rip-off of 50s soul with a bunch of lard added in and personality sucked out. It damn sure ain't a tribute, more like an insult with that vocal and that pretentiousness. And no singer cracks on purpose unless they're REALLY stupid. It adds NOTHING.

What's up with all the derogatory terms?

Rip off? He already mentioned he was paying homage to the old school artists with that song. And his voice didn't crack. He was using his "crying voice".

[Edited 6/5/11 22:57pm]

LMAO! They mad!

What does R Kelly have to do with anything anyway? R Kelly >>> Beyonce

Fin.

trueiopian said:

ratchetchan said:

[Racial slur N word snip - luv4u]

That "song" is a rip-off of 50s soul with a bunch of lard added in and personality sucked out. It damn sure ain't a tribute, more like an insult with that vocal and that pretentiousness. And no singer cracks on purpose unless they're REALLY stupid. It adds NOTHING.

What's up with all the derogatory terms?

Rip off? He already mentioned he was paying homage to the old school artists with that song. And his voice didn't crack. He was using his "crying voice".

[Edited 6/5/11 22:57pm]

And I said it wasn't a tribute/homage. It's shit. Deal with it.

And his voice cracked. Get some ears. A vocal crack is not the same as one's voice breaking because they're crying.

ViintageJunkiie said:

trueiopian said:

What's up with all the derogatory terms?

Rip off? He already mentioned he was paying homage to the old school artists with that song. And his voice didn't crack. He was using his "crying voice".

[Edited 6/5/11 22:57pm]

LMAO! They mad!

What does R Kelly have to do with anything anyway? R Kelly >>> Beyonce

Fin.

Whats-her-anus brought up Piss FIRST, but since you want to be heard and not just seen today, I guess I'll deign to address your dumb ass since you're too pussy to do so.

A child molesting, walking golden shower isn't better than anyone. ESPECIALLY if IT is a shitty singer and artist.

*WAITS for someone to sit here and go up for "Trapped in the Closet" parts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.... 509, 510, 511...*

[Edited 6/7/11 0:36am]

I actually love the song. Something 1/2 way mature & raw from her for a change.

The song needs a set of drums of though, it would've made it more dramatic.

[Edited 6/7/11 0:55am]

This turned into some cracker jack ass thread LOL!