Van Hunt wrote several songs for Patterson

Burin', The Best, Separate, Sure Boy, etc.

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P2daP said:

Van Hunt wrote several songs for Patterson

Burin', The Best, Separate, Sure Boy, etc.

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Good point! Many overlook that notion about Van Hunt.

[img:$uid]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/Lieutelant/Emoticons/sulk2.gif[/img:$uid] I will not choose. Both of these brothers are bad asses.

gunner82 said:

rebelenterprise said:

HMMM... the thing is, I don't think either artists, like myself, tried to copy Prince note 4 note, they were just influenced by him, as well as Sly, P-Funk, EWF & various others. That being said, both artists are extremely talented, but D'Angelo's "Voodoo" is an album that made me want to continue creating the music that I make now. But I did hear several songs from Van Hunt's "On The Jungle Floor" that made me say "DAMN!".

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I never said "note 4 note" they're trying to copy. Btw I'm digging some of your tracks

Thanks 4 diggin' em! Something new is coming VERY SOON. I'll definitely let the org know.

gunner82 said:

D'Angelo came first with great music, dropped two really good albums, then let drugs ruin his career. Van hunt has three pretty awesome albums & is very underrated....[judging off of what they've released thus far] who's friggin' music is better?

D'Angelo, by leaps and bounds.

Missionary or D'oggystyle?

HonestMan13 said:

Alej said:

I'll tell y'all who's better: Rahsaan Patterson !!!

too many tired player cliches in his music but he does have a nice voice

If a nice voice is the sound of a man wih severe constipation having an epileptic fit, that is.

There's no doubt that his voice is amazingly flexible, but I can't take that whiney tone he has.

They both have killer debut albums.

For me, it's easily Van Hunt. He's a fantastic songwriter and one of my favorites.

The middle eight section of "Ur Personal Army" is more sophisticated and musically interesting than

anything D'Angelo has ever written. I prefer Hunt's lyrics over Archer's as well: Hunt has one of the best lyrics I've ever heard:

I see your freak

A twinkle in the tall grass

D'Angelo's "Untitled" is one of the best songs I've ever heard and his album production on Voodoo was amazing, but Van Hunt is a much more interesting songwriter (D'angelo writes 'vamps') and musician.

IMO

I love them both. I wont choose.

dreamfactory313 said:

I love them both. I wont choose.

Yeah, actually, that is a convincing choice and I fell for a fallacious argument: the question makes it seem like there is only one answer but you could like each artist equally.

In the end, I'm reaching for Popular before Voodoo 7 outta 10 times.

D'Angelo.

Van Hunt is cool, hell I might even listen to Van more, but D'Angelo is the better artist.

Even if Van was given the protion that D had, I don't think he'd be as ig as D was.

Van hunt is very talented, but D is just extremely talented... And whatever the haters will say, his two albums are already part of music history. This is not true of any of Van Hunt's (as good as they are, including Popular Machine which was my 2009-2010 album). Too bad D wasted most of his career because his sheer talent was very close to (if not on par with) our little purple man's IMO, except that our little purple man worked a lot harder and was not on drugs....

LittleBLUECorvette said:

D'Angelo.

Van Hunt is cool, hell I might even listen to Van more, but D'Angelo is the better artist.

Even if Van was given the protion that D had, I don't think he'd be as ig as D was.

I understand that this entire argument is subjective (if pushed and being paid for, I think some of us could/would offer an opinion as to why one is a better musician) but saying D'Angelo is a better artist

(which I certainly do not think) simply becasuse he's more popular doesn't mean he's better.

Your logic doesn't support your opinion:

Justin Bieber is more popular than D'Angelo; does that make him a better artist?

duccichucka said:

duccichucka said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

D'Angelo.

Van Hunt is cool, hell I might even listen to Van more, but D'Angelo is the better artist.

Even if Van was given the protion that D had, I don't think he'd be as ig as D was.

I understand that this entire argument is subjective (if pushed and being paid for, I think some of us could/would offer an opinion as to why one is a better musician) but saying D'Angelo is a better artist

(which I certainly do not think) simply becasuse he's more popular doesn't mean he's better.

Your logic doesn't support your opinion:

Justin Bieber is more popular than D'Angelo; does that make him a better artist?

I didn't day D is better cause he's more popular, I said he's better cause he the better artist.

I was saying even if Van was givin the same types of promotions and oppertunites as D'Angelo, I think D would still be the bigger artist.

gunner82 said:

D'ANGELO VS. VAN HUNT: WHO's BETTER?

D

Well, In my teenage years, i was a D'Angelo fan... No matter what people say "Brown sugar" and "Voodoo' are still considered classics...

But in recent year, my musical taste became more and more eclectic, so I rely more on Van Hunt music... D'Angelo music is sometime 'experimental', but it remains on the R&B/soul spectrum... And I got tired of the neo soul genre anyway...

On the other hand, Van Hunt, who is a gifted musician too can sing many genres: Whenever I play his songs, i can hear some Curtis Mayfield, some David Bowie, some Tom Waits, some Stevie Wonder... and he's a way better songwriter than D'!

Conclusion: I prefer Van hunt...

LittleBLUECorvette said:

duccichucka said:

I understand that this entire argument is subjective (if pushed and being paid for, I think some of us could/would offer an opinion as to why one is a better musician) but saying D'Angelo is a better artist

(which I certainly do not think) simply becasuse he's more popular doesn't mean he's better.

Your logic doesn't support your opinion:

Justin Bieber is more popular than D'Angelo; does that make him a better artist?

I didn't day D is better cause he's more popular, I said he's better cause he the better artist.

I was saying even if Van was givin the same types of promotions and oppertunites as D'Angelo, I think D would still be the bigger artist.

Oh. Okay. But you're still throwing me of when you suggest that if Hunt had the same type of promotion, etc, that Archer would still remain a bigger artist...because he's a better musician?

If that's your argument, again, it doesn't necessarily mean that Archer is in fact a better musician.

What's the criteria here? How are we judging this...considering it is worthy of debate, that is.

My own are: the ease at shifting from one style to the next, instrumental dexterity, lyrics, and songwriting. In this case, I do not care about anything else (production, mixing, etc). And finally, I'm not interested in 'better;' I'm interested in being polished, versatile and interesting - those three are my own criteria.

Hunt is a more polished/versatile/interesting musician because he can handle several genres of music well: consider how he can move from 'Dust' to 'Ur a Monster Parts I and II' on to 'Character' to 'Being a Girl' head on over to 'Ur Army' to 'Bits and Pieces' back to 'At the End of a Slow Dance' to rest at 'Ride,Ride,Ride.' We just covered a big chuck of soundscape there: pop, singersongwriter leading into R&B, soul/R&B, quirky R&B, quirky R&B, quirky I don't know what, pop/rock and rock/quirky R&B. Archer sticks to his guns in R&B, Soul and Gospel with Hip Hop flourishes. Not a bad thing in and of itself, but in my opinion, a reason why Hunt is a more p/v/i musician - he's willing/can go beyond one template.

Where Archer's lyrics are mostly straightforward and accessible, Hunt uses and depends upon imagery, alliteration, irony, metaphors...he crafts his lyrics; they do not come off as pieces hemmed together at the last minute, but it seems that Hunt takes his time to write his verses; they are just as much a part of the entire song than the melody or chordal arrangement. It does not surprise me that Hunt has mentioned releasing a novel or something to that effect. Archer leaves no room for poetry in his lyrics; or perhaps, there isn't any room for well thought out poetry in his music; not a bad think in and of itself, but in my opinion, a reason why Hunt is a more p/v/i musician - he's willing/can go beyond one template.

Both Archer and Hunt write songs where the chordal arrangement does not change much: 'Dust' and 'Untitled' come to mind. But somebody please listen to 'Ur Army' and tell me what the progressions are for that tune! I'm not the worlds best musician/music theorist but I can usually figure out progressions easily - that one leaves me stumped. Somebody tell me the time signature for 'Dimples on Ur Bottom' because I have no idea what is going on...seriously! Now, these things do not necessarily make Hunt a better songwriter and I do not have the time to sit down at my piano and analyze every song written and recorded by each respective artist, but Hunt has shown willingness to stretch out beyond standard i-V-IV progressions and vamping, or to even go as far as to jazzy up that progression; Archer likes to sit on vamps. In fact, Archer's vamps have a 'knock' that is reallly fucken dope, but is this all he knows? Archer's reliance on this songwriting method is not bad in and of itself, but in my opinion, a reason why Hunt is a more p/v/i musician - he's willing/can go beyond one template.

When compared with Hunt, I'm not sure about Archer's instrumental dexterity either. He's never struck me as anything other than an efficient keyboardist. His base (that's how I spell it) and guitar abilities are negligible in my opinion. Hunt is a proficient keyboardist (you can hear some Monk in a couple of runs in 'Turn My TV On') and he can handle the base efficiently. As for his axmanship, I have decided that my three favorite rhythm guitarists are Womack, Mayfield and Hunt. Now, musical chops do not make the musician, and I don't believe that Archer has many and I don't believe that Hunt has more than enough, but regarding Archer, this is not bad in and of itself, but in my opinion....you get the gist.

But yeah, I have spend way too much time arguing something that is entirely subjective. All I had to say was: D'Angelo sucks and Hunt rawkz! But I thought I'd at least give an intelligent reason as to why I hold an opinion.

One thing D has over Hunt is 'Untitled'...that song was transcendent. That song was a behemoth and still is.

I'm not editing this either...so if there are any grammatical errors, fuck it.

^^^

THIS.

You took the axact words out of my mouth, Duccichuka.

Excellent.

I know not much about Van Hunt, but when it comes to the word polished... polished is a bad word imo. I hate overly polished music, and Voodoo is better than any album Prince have released since the last bit of the 80s. I'm not talking having more hits or evergreens, but as a whole Voodoo is personally one of the best albums of the 90s-00s when it comes to the total feel and sound of the album.