Timmy84 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

^^^ But his responses and ole school collections are so fun! That's why!!!

You just want to see him talking about how the music he loves gets guys home though. The genre relates to how his dick reacts. I'm just telling the truth lol

You so right, I can't deny! I don't have a dick but he gets me excited! Not to mention I feel the same way about the music that he likes!

purplethunder3121 said:

Timmy84 said:

You just want to see him talking about how the music he loves gets guys home though. The genre relates to how his dick reacts. I'm just telling the truth lol

You so right, I can't deny! I don't have a dick but he gets me excited! Not to mention I feel the same way about the music that he likes!

Shafty said:

And just when you think things can't get any worse - the Black Eyed Peas release another single.

will.i.am

will.u.fuck.off

will.you're.not

blackbob said:

i have always been a muso since i was in my early teens and have always followed whats been going on with music and i have always found what i consider 'good music' in the charts..more the album chart than the singles....but the last few years...i just find the singles chart is full of crap...its really quite depressing if young people think that is good music...

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or maybe i am just out of touch now and an old foggy...but i really struggle to see where the music talent is..i can see that 'lady gaga' has genuine music talent even if she is a bit too poppy for me but i am struggling with almost everything else...

You're getting older AND wiser to the fact that most of the music of 2011 is total crap.

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

I put up country threads and other stuff, but I get told I have bad taste (whatever that means) or that no one is interested in obscure acts.

People who usually talk about how bad music is would be the first ones to say this for some odd reason.

I like both of your postings usually.

lazycrockett said:

Timmy84 said:

People who usually talk about how bad music is would be the first ones to say this for some odd reason.

I like both of your postings usually.

Yeah I know.

yes...there has always been crap in the top 40...whatever decade you pick..but there wasnt as much and you had real talented musicians and songwriters in there....i think that technology has slowly taken over....now you have singers who dont really need to sing very well (with a few exceptions of course)...songwriters who dont need to write very much and musicians who can barely play a note other than pressing a few buttons on a computer....

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prince was against these rock band games that came out because you just kidded on that you could play an instrument....maybe he had a justifiable point this time....

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blackbob said:

yes...there has always been crap in the top 40...whatever decade you pick..but there wasnt as much and you had real talented musicians and songwriters in there....i think that technology has slowly taken over....now you have singers who dont really need to sing very well (with a few exceptions of course)...songwriters who dont need to write very much and musicians who can barely play a note other than pressing a few buttons on a computer....

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prince was against these rock band games that came out because you just kidded on that you could play an instrument....maybe he had a justifiable point this time....

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"Technology has slowly..."

SLOWLY?! SLOWLY?!

It's RAPIDLY been taken over, man.

And anyone thinking Rock Band is part of the evolution of the music industry (not you) has gotta be stuck in a cave somewhere...

I don't like it how people say you have to look beyond the top 40 to find good bands. Most indie/hispter bands are shit or average.

802 said:

I don't like it how people say you have to look beyond the top 40 to find good bands. Most indie/hispter bands are shit or average.

Have you heard all of them to be so sure ? ... that is a LOT of music you have to listen to lol.

Check for example everything on www.cdbaby.com. Good luck, ya might need all the free time you have

gemari77 said:

I consider myself someone that listens to everything---heck, I've been a studio musician and have been in all sorts of musical situations-- but, in reality I think it's more like I'm open minded enough to listen to all sorts of things and give it a chance BEFORE I dismiss it.

I have my core artists that I worship---The Beatles, Prince, Stevie Wonder, Rush, Iron Maiden, Mint Condition, Sting/The Police, Peter Gabriel....among others. But, I try to keep an ear to whatever else is out there...though, I admit I'm not one who is constantly seeking out new music. My "old standbys" still do it for me more than anything else... I still get TONS of inspiration from a record I've been listening to for 20 years and that's enough for me.

I have a young family, though. We go through phases where we spend weeks listening to Top 40 radio--although they go overboard playing the same songs over and over again, I still find some great songs here and there. Adam Lambert, Train and a few others had songs we loved within the last couple of years.

I can understand the Top 40 is full of crap sentiment... My problem isn't the songs as much as it's the level of talent or lack of. I mean, just a couple of generations ago, the average Pop star was a Paul McCartney, Stevie, Phil Collins, Prince, Lionel Ritchie and Sting---singers, songwriters and multi-instrumentalists all in one. And they were celebrated as such and highly successful as Top 40 artists. You also had the Pop/Soul diva types who hardly ever wrote their own material, but were soooo great as singers that it didn't matter who wrote what. There were also not so talented, fluff performers mixed into the equation but there was enough of a balance at one point.

These days...to ME... it seems that the Top 40 is filled more and more with people that the media tries to pass off as talented, but many of us 'older folk' with higher standards would not consider talented...Rhianna comes to mind. That's my beef... the powers that be cheapening talent by tossing that word around so loosely. And these people are at the top of the charts being celebrated... for what? Looking good and providing pitch corrected vocals.

Timmy84 said:

I'm just waiting for Andy's wanna dance to just fast music ass coming in here co-signing blackbob and shit. Don't know why it's an anticipation nowadays but it's routine by this point.

I've already been in here twice on the first page. Where you been?

MickyDolenz said:

Unholyalliance said:

Also, no offense, I don't even believe that anyone on this forum listens to 'just about EVERYTHING.' Especially when the forum posts don't even reflect that. They are mainly 80s r&b/pop heavy with the occassional rock and rap threads thrown in. Which is why I find it ironic when so many here complain about the younger generation not wanting to explore the old music, when the older generation doesn't want to explore the new music. =/

I put up country threads and other stuff, but I get told I have bad taste (whatever that means) or that no one is interested in obscure acts.

I've been in several of your country threads and I'll admit the responses from people have been few but I've never seen anybody tell you that you have bad taste, at least not the particular threads that I've been in.

As for new country these days, it ain't worth a damn either. Since it has kind of merged with rock these days, you can't tell a country song from a rock song these days and what's worse, you can't tell a rock song from a country song.

Country has weakened the sound of rock and rock has made country to where it's no longer laughable these days. I have lots of old country songs in my computer for comedy purposes. Nothing gets a bigger laugh than to be throwing down hard with some funk or disco and then all of a sudden a song like "Swangin" by John Anderson or "Elvira" from The Oak Ridge Boys comes on and everybody just falls out laughing because they sound so redneckish and corny. Everybody secretly liked songs like those back in those days because they did have a slight rhythm and some good melodies but no one would admit it because folks that liked those songs openly back then were rednecks and in both the gay and the black worlds, rednecks are the enemy because of the way they've treated us. But it's always fun to get a good laugh out of them. Now you can't make fun of new country because it's no longer just a redneck form of music since they've damn near merged it with rock. It just doesn't sound stupid and hick anymore. Ahhh.....but there's always the old country to get some good laughs with.

Timmy84 said:

I'm actually surprised some of your "old asses" are even listening to what is called "Top 40". Fuck's wrong with y'all? Especially those that say they don't like it.

I don't. That bullshit is all over the TV commercials, mentioned all over the TV news shows, plastered all over the plastic cups when you buy a Coke at a fast food restaurant, and blaring from the cars at the gas stations. You can't escape that bullshit even if you tried. As for radio, yeah, I still listen to it.....oldies stations only. And even one of those, I'm getting ready to take off my dial because when the 2010s began, now they've been slipping in 1990s songs and I hate the 1990s. When I hear one of those 1990s songs on the way to work slipped inbetween those 1970s and 1980s songs, it just ruins my mood at work.

TD3 said:

I'll use my mother (age 82) as a barometer and was blessed to be right their for almost every evolution of music. No, it's not your imagination top forty music sucks across the board, irrespective of genre. She and my late father listened to everything as well and cut off their radio after the mid/late 80's. This sing song, oh every generation thinks, blah, blah, blah"... is for the birds.

They were very smart because that's exactly when radio went to the dogs. I liked the dance/house era of the early 1990s but that wasn't played on the radio, just strictly in the gay clubs. But as far as radio goes, the mid to late 1980s was exactly when it took a turn for worse. Shitney came along in 1985 and then came a lot of other adult contemporary folks taking over R&B radio. Funk became scarce and with all these "parent friendly" acts all over the radio, it left the doors wide open for shit hop to come in and fill the "rebellion" void that was left when funk died.

vainandy said:

Timmy84 said:

I'm just waiting for Andy's wanna dance to just fast music ass coming in here co-signing blackbob and shit. Don't know why it's an anticipation nowadays but it's routine by this point.

I've already been in here twice on the first page. Where you been?

You might've made some comment and I bypassed it.

Timmy84 said:

vainandy said:

I've already been in here twice on the first page. Where you been?

You might've made some comment and I bypassed it.

You know I wasn't about to pass up another chance to shit on today's music. Hell, shitting on today's music is even more fun than shitting on Shitney.

i feel the same way

vainandy said:

Timmy84 said:

I'm actually surprised some of your "old asses" are even listening to what is called "Top 40". Fuck's wrong with y'all? Especially those that say they don't like it.

I don't. That bullshit is all over the TV commercials, mentioned all over the TV news shows, plastered all over the plastic cups when you buy a Coke at a fast food restaurant, and blaring from the cars at the gas stations. You can't escape that bullshit even if you tried. As for radio, yeah, I still listen to it.....oldies stations only. And even one of those, I'm getting ready to take off my dial because when the 2010s began, now they've been slipping in 1990s songs and I hate the 1990s. When I hear one of those 1990s songs on the way to work slipped inbetween those 1970s and 1980s songs, it just ruins my mood at work.

I don't mind if it's music from within 1990-93. It's mostly with music AFTER 1993 that I end up being very picky.

yes blackbob you are so right the charts realy are awful its either young girls half naked with no talant or some young black kid with tatoos and his boxers showing thinking hes the man?

i hate popular modern music, its generic and bland.

rock is a weak, watered down lameified version of its former self. They all make lame pop punk and emo now, and if its not that its boring indie or cheesy bands like Theory of a Deadman.

Rap has gone the same way, no longer is it a raw piece of music with a message...now its a commercial crapfest "uh, yeah, alright... akoonnn *autotuner voice* yeahhh i love ya baby"

MrLee192 said:

Rap has gone the same way, no longer is it a raw piece of music with a message...

A lot of the early recorded rap music were just fun party songs, and they were bragging too ("suave new Cadillac", having more skill than another "sucker MC", beating Superman, Dracula, etc.). The music wasn't really raw either, generally consisting of funk, R&B, and disco.

Its a mixture of both, I definitely feel the music thats in the chart today is mostly garbage that has little musical or melodic integrity, (A mixture of low quality, degenerative hip hop, disney type family music and idol wannabes or non stars like Bieber), but at the same time, there are some decent tracks getting heard like a new group called Mumford and Sons, who clearly compose and play real music with instruments.

But still we are all guilty of being boring old people, I myself are 35 and grew up with the music of the late 80s to mid 90s (1987-1995 at ages 11 -19, were my prime consumption fan years), and yet I was more into Black Music rather than White music, my favourites were groups like Bon Jovi, Prince, MJ, Whitney, MC Hammer (I know), yet I also like MOR stuff like Simply Red, Billy Joel and some more hardcore stuff like Ice T and NWA. Yet I found my mother criticised a lot of the music we listened to then, she couldn't get over the PM Dawn song "Set Adrift on Memory Bliss" as she thought it had the lyric "The fish had eyes" and ven left it in notes around the house. She also couldn't understand the appeal of rappers, what ragga artists like Shaggy and Shabba were saying, and the groups like RHCP who sang about sex mostly on their album Blood sex sugar Magik. Yet today we would all have no problem defending this music as rea and authentic compared to the later stuff. Yet we have to realise in the year 2030, people will be defending Jason Mraz and Jason Derulo against the garbage hits of 2031. So yeah its a generational thing.

Look at it this way, our generation (People between 25 - 50) defend Prince, Madonna, Guns N Roses against the next generation back who dug the Beatles and Dylan in the 1960s, they had to defend those guys against Frank Sinatra, The Ink Spots, Glenn Miller and the Thomas Dorsey Orchestra around 1940, against an earlier generation who listened to Clara Butt, Harry Lauder and Enrico Caruso around 1912 and so on back to people who saw the romantic sound of Mendelsohn in 1823 as a come down from Mozarts works of the 1780s, so its generational.

Timmy84 said:

I must be getting old because I keep seeing this same discussion since I first logged on to this site nearly four years ago.

MickyDolenz said:

MrLee192 said:

Rap has gone the same way, no longer is it a raw piece of music with a message...

A lot of the early recorded rap music were just fun party songs, and they were bragging too ("suave new Cadillac", having more skill than another "sucker MC", beating Superman, Dracula, etc.). The music wasn't really raw either, generally consisting of funk, R&B, and disco.

Raw not in a rock sense, but in the punk sense. Very stripped, a collage of sound, the beats were always pretty kickin. But i listen to Public Enemy, De La Soul who i guess are what, second generation rap?

The following gripes are aimed at music that hits the the TOP40 charts, there is actually a lot of much better music that has little chart or commercial success that is higher quality art.

I can trace the decay of hip hop to the beginning of 1992 when The Chronic came out and all of a sudden delinquent lyrics appeared, rap went from beating MC's and cute lyrical topics like the Principals office to all this garbage, about ice, rims, hoes, bitches, nxxgas, escalades etc. You will notice this became big in 94/95 with Notorious BIG, Mace, Missy E (Ok shes better but her early music is irresponsible) and the fact that all the Suge Knight/Puff whatever his name is, dominated music has promoted and GLAMOURIZED a degenerative and sinful lifestyle. Nu metal is just as bad, groups like Slipknot, Lincoln Park (And don't get at me for spelling names wrong) have also led the artistic integrity of white rock music down too. Then theres the ho culture, again spread mostly by hip hop types, look at what happened to Mariah, sweet and cultured in 1990, by 1999 she was flapping her ass and having people on her videos going "Yo yo that mi bich etc", Nelly Furtado. And then the saccharine Disney Idol Music which is not so bad (A bit too cute) but most idol/ teen idols have a short shelf life and its exploitative, as the music is so thinly constructed, they have an 18 month shelf life at most (Already Gaga is sagging). And the biggest beef, is the number of songs in the chart that have so called featured guest artists the whole "so and so feat whoever thing has been big since the mid to late 90s and we are sick of it, it usually always means a rap style or sex laden pop dance track with sampling beats and music and only a bit of vocal or some cretin rapping about how many women they can bunt in one go.

I will like chart music when they make something that has real singing and people playing instruments other than drum machines and sampler. Ie like a real guitar or acoustic drum kit.

Anyone also noticed that chart music of 2011 sounds like chart music of 1997 as well.

phunkdaddy said:

Timmy84 said:

I must be getting old because I keep seeing this same discussion since I first logged on to this site nearly four years ago.

I'm saying... I can actually remember like a couple weeks I first came here and there was a thread talking about how "today's music" was shit. I don't know if I participated or not lol

I can remember PRE-internet, the absolute THRILL of pickin' up Billboard Magazine at the smokeshop when I was in high school on Tuesdays when it would come out. I couldn't wait to see which artist was holdin' down the #1 R&B (Back then, they called it the "Hot Black Singles/Album" charts.) single/album each week. God, those were the days! NOW, though, I, too, look at the Hot 100 and/or the Top R&B Singles/Albums and am astonished. I was born in 1963, but have always stayed up on the R&B tip and continue to move and grow with the music.

What I find these days is the absence of the music and a lack of vocal talent in (some of) today's singers who obviously can't sing, lest they wouldn't have to be autotuned (unless for sound effect, of course) and who constantly feel a need to interlace their music with Rap. Rap isn't music. Rap is Poetry and it's gotten so to the point of having literally crippled our country's first language that we have teenagers in high school and don't even know how to speak (properly.)

I so dearly miss Melba Moore, Minnie Riperton, Frankie Beverly and a wealth of others who didn't rely on Rap in their musings and who STILL literally DOMINATED the upper reaches of the R&B charts. It seems that (some of) the most gifted and capable artists today (Erykah Badu, Jill Scott, etc...) who are clearly literate and educated, struggle so profoundly to even get there.

Another disappointment for me is the intertwining of Music & Hollywood. Since WHEN was one EVER based upon the OTHER? A time ago, if you were a talented singer, you stayed within the Music scene. NOWdays, singers get caught up in the whole Hollywood scene. It's frustrating to me on so many levels.

When did the music stop being "the music?" I want Old School back. Thankfully, Prince played such a vital part in Old School and influenced so many artists to carry the Classic R&B torch in his footsteps. I'm not so sure I can say this with regard to many of the acts who represent the NEW school, let alone, the Top 40 or Top 10 for that matter. I'm interested in hearing some other retorts with regard to this. Peaceout.

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