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Turns out MJ only has about enough sane fans on the internet to count on one hand. luckily, I know i'm one of them.
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Do your own goddamn fan tributes, people! 
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Completely agree. From the outset they should have hired some interesting directors. This is just completely pointless. ‘You don’t understand — if I’m not there to receive these ideas, God might give them to Prince.’ | |
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It happens....
But we gotta deal with the crazy ass Prince fans. Which is a minor problem compared to crazy ass MJ fans. | |
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I see myself probably frequenting The Michael Jackson Vault more often (which I'm probably going to start moderating) if there was more people posting there
If that were the case, ya'll would rarely see me here on the Org "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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They'll come back, it's been gone for almost a year. PRINCE: Always and Forever
MICHAEL JACKSON: Always and Forever ----- Live Your Life How U Wanna Live It | |
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I think the fact that Monster, the most radio friendly song on the album, hasn't been released as a single is telling.
I also think that the only hope for the Estate to actually make signifcant money and for something to actually be done right are the Cirque Du Soleil shows.
Are they releasing the original mix of Behind The Mask from 1982 on the single? Like I've always thought, they probably aren't. It's something the fans would love to hear and McClain wouldn't be able to handle the fact that the original mix would sound better than his.
The Estate has no clue how to handle anything to do regarding music and video's. | |
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I don't understand why MJ's fandom thinks theirs is the only fandom out there with lunatics. I also don't understand why a good portion of them try so hard to seperate themselves into what I call the 'anti-Michael Jackson fan.' Like they try so hard to be seperate themselves from everyone else by trying to be the opposite of actual MJ fans. There are all different levels of fandoms, but, as I said some time ago, already proclaiming yourself to be a fan of MJ already puts you in a different category. Hell, being a fan of anything puts you in a special category in people's minds.
I guess I just don't understand...
Though...I have been thinking: Does being a fan of something in particular already reflect something in your personality? How can I word this better... Example, does it take a 'certain' kind of person to be a MJ fan or a Britney Spears fan? Would someone who is a fan of Claude DeBussy would outright call themselves a fan of Lil' Wayne too? I'm not saying that it's not possible to be a fan of both, but I mean the type that would go out there and join message boards, buy stuff related to the artist, and etc.
I guess one good example, would be from Rupaul's drag race last season where Raven was at constant odds with this one other contestant because she was a Britney Spears fan. Raven said she hated Britney Spears fans because they were all superficial and shallow. While a big generalization, does that hold some weight you think when it comes to fandoms for other artists (and other things) as well?
I could very well be wrong, but I was just wondering. | |
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Interesting questions for which, however, I don't have answers. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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No no, it's not that.
I've been online for at least ten years now, and I've been around to a lot of different fan communities for different artists. A lot. In every single one, I've seen some crazies.
But the ratio of crazy to sane fans in the MJ fan community, is a real anomaly. Seriously. I think that as many as forty percent of all MJ fans are really and truly mentally ill, and that's a really high incidence compared to most fan communities where it's like 10 percent, tops. And a lot of the sickest MJ fans are the most vocal so yes, the MJ fan community does have a rep as being the most mentally unstable so I completely understand why the sane fans, jump hoops and offer disclaimers to people like, "I'm an MJ fan, but....I'm not like THAT."
The sick ones have basically fucked up the image of the entire fanbase. "I don't think you'd do well in captivity." - random person's comment to me the other day | |
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I liked Hold My Hand video...it was kinda corny but in a way, it was a nice tribute to Michael and his diehard fans... I kinda like Hollywood Tonight video as well. If the record company keeps making videos like this, I'll be ok with that. They're just making tribute videos...So that teenagers can keep watching the new MJ videos and keep loving him...I don't know if MJ would've wanted that after he died or not but it's part of keeping his legacy alive I think...^_^ | |
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Rebbie doing "Rock With You" at some show, probably for her charity for autism (I think). | |
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Sound like Lady Gaga fans I’m a big fan but I can not deal with her little monsters I don’t like Michael fans either but timmy and Bboy are cool. | |
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I always thought that MJ fans were seen as being 'mentally ill' for the mere fact that they were willing to defend, listen to, and support a 'sick pervert.' When people view something as 'weird or different' they label it and they label the people who support it. I do admit that some are more passionate about it than others, but couldn't that be a case of how varied MJ's fanbase is rather than a big portion of them being nuts. | |
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Michael Jackson Memorial High for new high school in Cramerton?Gaston County Schools received more than 2,000 entries suggesting names for the high school in the process of being built in Cramerton. The most popular choices included names like Lakewood and Cramerton. Others had more unique suggestions, such as Tri City, Two Rivers and Weaver’s Mill. Some submissions paid homage to individuals with Ron Harper High, Reeves McGlohon High, Stuart Cramer High, Chuck Norris High and Michael Jackson Memorial High School. A committee of parents, teachers and residents of Belmont, Mount Holly and Cramerton sorted through name suggestions Tuesday, weeding out the wacky and those too similar to existing schools. The remaining names will be narrowed down even further at a committee meeting in April. That’s when they’ll cull the possibilities down to four or five names. Those names then go to the Gaston County Board of Education’s operations committee, who will make its recommendation to the full school board. School officials hope to have the name, mascot and colors of the new school decided by the end of June. “We had so many names to choose from,” said parent and South Point High teacher Leigh Nance. Her son could be among the first graduating class at the high school since they live in Cramerton. Committee member Chuc Clubb said he wouldn’t choose Cramerton or Lakewood as the new high school’s name. Naming the school Cramerton could alienate kids coming from Mount Holly or Belmont. Lakewood isn’t a good choice because there’s already a Lakewood High in the state. He hopes the students will have more of an input on the name. “It’s the name that’s going to be on their class ring and their diploma,” Clubb said. “I think people need to let the kids have a voice in it.” Construction of the three-story, 268,000-square-foot building is scheduled to be complete in time for the school to open in the fall of 2013. The school can hold 1,200 students and will be able to expand to 1,500 students. The new high school will open with ninth and 10th grade students the first year and add grades 11 and 12 over the next two years.
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*ahem*
No comment. I'm sorry that did nothing for me...and i actually like her... | |
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I think any fanbase has fan's that take it to the extreme of their fandom. I've seen some pretty crazy Bon Jovi fans, Prince fans, even Radiohead and Bjork fans.
I think when you stop being analytical and open to the fact that your artist of choice will make mistakes and start viewing them as "can do no wrong" then that's when all hell breaks loose and all sense of reality starts to drift away.
Maybe some MJ fans take it extremes because for a good 10 years you were ridiculed and seen as being "weird" yourself for being a fan. Now with his passing many in the general public are reassessing their bias towards him and I think those fans are now overly protective of Michael.
I don't think being a massive fan of someone characterises your personality if you are not just one dimensional in your musical taste. If all you listen to is Britney, then you will be limited in your outlook and thus might get stereotyped as this or that.
I call myself a fan of many artists, and they aren't all in the same genre - Prince, MJ, Nine Inch Nails, Depeche Mode, Radiohead, Arcade Fire, Foo Fighters, Beck, Bjork, Janet and on and on.
In my opinion, when you shut yourself down to other's points of view (don't have to agree with them, just hear them out) then you drift off to being irrational. Of course, for a long time it was fashionable to be an MJ hater and to deliberately rile up fans - maybe an easy target so I think many people's first reaction is to defend. Some just take it too far. "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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With the promotion, it's not just the estate making the decisions, it's Sony and in the climate, they're in, they're going with the "let's have the fans promote it" route
I wouldn't say that they have no clue on how to handle it, they're just not handling it in the way that we'd expect and hoped for. One executor is the guy who helped Michael secure Sly Stone's publishing catalog and the ATV deal. The other guy helped found Interscope Records and helped Dr. Dre and Suge Knight get their deal for Death Row Records. They definitely know the music industry
If what I'm hearing is true, the re-release of Bad next year is gonna be good and hopefully, they'll learn from their mistakes that they made with Michael "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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Funny you state that because this is the thing: In a lot of people's eyes they still see him a great possibly in him being guilty so when you start to defend him others take it as you not being able to accept the truth and glossing over the facts to defend your 'idol'. Even, right now, if someone were to come in here and start talking about the allegations would most of us here not try and to defend him as being a victim of extortion rather than a predator? In many other eyes they see it as you are so far into your fandom you can not see the man for what he was.
That being said though, I do agree with you on many other points, but that also applies to so many other fandoms, including many of those on the Prince and More subforum, which is why I tend to shy away from it in general. How many Prince fans I have seen claim that James Brown is far inferior to him, Beatles fanboys claim outright that modern music would not exist without them, or that no one was bigger than Elvis? Even though I don't agree with any of those people, in the least, it is just their opinions. Every fandom has them. I don't think that this particular fandom has more of them, because I can think of another couple of significant ones that have its share of uber passionate fans. =/ | |
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...Nice try, but save it for someone who isn't a MJ fan
This isn't about disliking the fan community because of the man. I loved, still love, the man. But a sizable portion of his fan community, is fucking psycho. And I'm not blaming him for that - that wasn't his fault, he had no control over that. Any sane person who goes in MJ fan chats or MJ fan forums and hangs around will see real quick that something is very wrong with a lot of his fanbase. And MJ kept a shitload of security around himself. Says alot.
And I'm not the first person to make these observations. I've seen lots of people on several music-related websites, over the years complain about how they're a big MJ fan, and thought highly of the man and his work, but how they just cannot take his batshit crazy fans. I've also seen several people who were really big fans and knew a lot about his discography and had a lot they could've contributed to those forums, run off of them by the mentally ill members; and I've seen people come in threads on sites, asking for links to MJ fan forums, only to have people flock to them and warn them NOT to go anywhere near those places.
Again - that says ALOT.
"I don't think you'd do well in captivity." - random person's comment to me the other day | |
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I just stay away from most sites unless I feel the urge to talk there and it's only been in KOP lately. I did go briefly to MJJC but that was to comment on something unrelated to Michael. It was about Gaga I think, I forgot. I'm gonna make more attempts to go to the MJJ Vault site though. I forgot I'm a member there. | |
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I still visit the KOP, MJJC and MJJUK. IMO, as annoying as some of these fans are on these sites, they overall are pretty harmless. I'll take these posters anyday over these racists, hateful, arrogant pricks on some of these other fansites. | |
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It's like a lesser evil lol but I see what you're saying. | |
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^^
I figure there is nothing on another MJ site (KOP etc) that I couldn't discuss here - and here the discussion is intelligent and propels insights and views (well, for the most part). "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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Once you get away from all the crazy talk, yeah lol | |
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I think I can only agree. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Excerpt of an interview with Matt Forger
G-Man: What's the weirdest thing you've done in the studio? In terms of sonics, I mean. Forger: Before the advent of digital technology, you needed to be creative acoustically and electronically. In the song "Billie Jean," when Michael sings the line "Do think twice" at end of the third verse, he's singing through a cardboard mailing tube. We often would record elements in the bathroom (tiled) because it would give it a short early reflection quality. The main percussion sound on the song "Beat It" was Michael beating on fiberboard drum cases with 1x3 inch pieces of wood in the mirrored room of Westlake Studio A. This was all normal. Now if you want to talk weird, on one song (not MJ) we ran a tape loop around the room supported by microphone stands on a two track machine. It was a loop of burps and was keyed by the kick and snare to give the effect of drums that were alive and breathing. "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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Another example of Mike being a percussionist. |
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[Edited 3/31/11 9:27am] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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I still get amazed by Mike.... | |
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Miss you, sweetheart. [Edited 3/31/11 9:57am] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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