A number of Michael Jackson's fans and supporters point to the abuse he says he suffered at the hands of his father as confirmation of his claims that he's a Peter Pan-type male who never really aged. He's just a kid in a man's body, they tend to say, parroting his claim of "harmless" immaturity. He's not into sex. He'd rather have a water-balloon fight or climb a tree. OK...

But, how does one reconcile that construction with the crotch-grabbing 40-something man whose choreography and lyrical content consistently indicate an extremely sexually aware, mature artist?

Normal adults manage to express both a protective, harmless and good love for children within appropriate contexts and sexual feelings expressed with other consenting adults.

But, Jackson seems to want to have it both ways: In real life, he says, he's little more than a Smurf. Those kid-loving feelings are his inspiration for the songs he writes about lost childhood, saving the world and healing children.

But, what about his songs about sex, mature love and lust-at-first-sight reactions to some girl? Where does the inspiration for those songs originate? He writes them, sings them with conviction, does grinds and thrusts while performing to them. What's that about? Is this make-believe? Nope.

Sex isn't foreign to Jackson. It's not some yucky concept that leaves him skittish or giggly. The man sings about sex. It's a fixture in a large part of his oeuvre.

But, the only people he's interested in sharing his bed are little children? C'mon... It's time that folks stop giving this man a pass. He needs help. And, it's commonly known that abuse victims, if they don't receive help, often perpetuate a cyle of abuse by inflicting harm themselves.
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oh god i love MJ,but i am sick of seeing his name in these 4rums.
let's talk about someone else 4 a change shall we?

Joshy84au said:

Amen! I like MJ and all,but I would rather discuss Madonna (whom I find much more interesting) and her upcoming CD...lol...

And besides,it is pointless trying to analyze Michael and to understand why he does what he does.We will never completely "figure him out" in this lifetime,so we need to stop trying.

That's the truth.

I just haven't seen the issue of dualism addressed -- despite the numerous threads devoted to MJ.

Don't like the topic? Scrrooom, then!

I wonder where you based your theory on ??

Fhunkin said:

the following link provides a wealth of info:

http://www.capcsac.org/ch...terns.html

Under the header "Who is a Child Abuser?"

The first identifier: "Have been abused as a child - a life pattern of aggression and violence has been established."

Hhhmmm, It's possible sure but then maybe he has a good therapist !! He's not a good father I.M.O. But I can only tell from the short footage I saw.

One thing for sure is that he's a huge liar

REALLY - why are MJ & Madonna discussed here nonstop?? This ain't a trio...

CalhounSq said:

Actually,I haven't seen a Madonna thread in a few days,but there are DOZENS of MJ threads on here every week!

I'm tempted to go start a slew of new Madonna threads,in protest



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DavidEye said:

NOOO!

I'd like to go a month without seeing either of their names on this site, for real...

CalhounSq said:

Btw,what's going on in the thread "Bell Hooks essay calling Madonna a racist"?? I refuse to visit that thread again because the topic/theory is so ridiculous.But I see that there are now 141 replies and 856 views,so something interesting must be going on.Fill me in...

CalhounSq said:

*sigh*

90 % of the mj threads are made by mj fans like Funkybrotha and this grotesque one, strangely mj's asskissers didn't complain then
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CalhounSq said:

I disagree. MJ, P and Madge are all 44 and are all 80s icons, but who have all followed very different paths and are now in very different places - Madge still seeming to be in the ascendant, MJ on the skids, and P possibly the happiest he's ever been as an independent artist.

I'd quite like to see a documentary doing a bit of a compare and contrast on these 3. I think it would make for some interesting journalism.

MattUK said:

Hmmm,that would be a great topic for a thread:

"Prince,Madonna and MJ---which artist has fared better overall?"

ok prince is the only one that looks good. Madonna isn't aging well in the face and well who knows what Michael would have looked like if...well ya'll know.


I'd rather talk about ERYKAH!!!

Rhondab said:

Actually,I was talking about contrasting and comparing their careers,not the way they look...lol...

DavidEye said:

DavidEye, if u want to start a thead along these lines then please feel free!

CalhounSq said:

Yes, it is unbelievable!!! Why can't they keep that Madonna and MJ talk crap on their boards... And this talk about comparing their careers is bullshit as well, now if you are talking who has remain the most popular then maybe you can the comparison other than that there is no comparison!!!

MattUK said:

It looks like THIS thread has already gone in that direction

MattUK said:

Maybe someone should start a thread about stop discussing freaking Madonna on a PRIINCE site all of the time.

gman1966 said:

Funny you should mention Madonna,there were only about TWO recent threads about her in the last few weeks.On the other hand,there are a TON of MJ threads.You should be going after the MJ fanatics,but as always,you only seem to pay attention when Madonna is being discussed...lol...

DavidEye said:

Two threads is two too many,

DavidEye said:

It just annoys the hell out of me when people compare Madonna to Prince!!!. Man what a insult to Prince's abilities.

gman1966 said:

Yeah that's exactly how I feel about MJ. The more I hear about him, the more I wanna bury everything I own by him in a hole in my backyard.

gman1966 said:

Who was comparing Madonna to Prince??

DavidEye said:

I certainly wasnt!! I was merely suggesting that a compare and contrast would be interesting. I think that the 3 artists are completely different even though I suspect that many people would lump them together - all the same age, all huge stars in the 80s, all from USA, all had their creative/commercial low points (just at different times, for different reasons and to differing degrees)

Hey to suggest a comparison doesnt mean that I think they're the same, only that a comparison would be interesting because it would point up the differences.

What doesn't quite work with MJ is he will present a video asking us to believe the fantasy of MJ chasing & lusting after Naiomi Campbell & he will turn around & say he is Peter Pan-like & all he wants to do is climb trees & have pajama parties. Well since the video is entertainment then the pajama party manchild is the real MJ. Thats why his record sales have dropped. He just doesn't get it that this manchild line of his is a TOTAL turn-off. I have no desire to get my nine year old nephew & cuddle up in bed to listen to the latest MJ record. Yet MJ thinks this is normal. That people will understand such behavior. His record sales have dropped because he is such a DISGUSTING human being. He doesn't get the problem because he is the problem. But he prefers to blame Dad or Tommy Mottola or the media.

thedoorkeeper said:

First, thedoorkeeper, thank you for getting this thread back on topic. Secondly, I'd forgotten about his campaigns of blame against Mottola. Someone else mentioned that, being a 40-something man, it's time for him to take responsibility and stop playing the victim.