LittleBLUECorvette said:

seeingvoices12 said:

MJ should have recorded an entire album with this guy....their work is really impressive...

They probably have an albums woth of material. Break of Dawn, No Name, Gangsta and he said some more that we don't know about.

Don't forget he was involved in the jam LOL

and also "dope!" and "Gangster" (though the bomb squad did remix "Dope!" and "Poison")

He was (and still is to this day) pretty obscure when Mike worked with him, so it was cool that Mike gave him a chance. Dr Freeze mentioned he will rerecord the instrumental to "blue gangster" . I hope he doesn't fuck it up. Just leave them as they were! Otherwise their work together sounds quite interesting, but I'd rather hear the outtakes with Rodney Jerkins and Teddy Riley (if there are any?).

I never liked "Break of dawn" much really. Need to listen to it again.

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Now if I had to make a list of the unreleased tracks in the vault I'd like to hear the most, at the top of my list would be the Will.I.Am tracks. I mean, those were not only among the last tracks MJ recorded, but they were intended to be on the new album he was working on. Just watching the Access Hollywood interview, I think they created some awesome music together.

Now just guessing by looking at song titles and reading up on when they were written, these songs would make my need to hear list:

That Girl (I think intended for Destiny or Triumph)

Sweet Music, Disco Kids, Goodness Knows

Buffalo Bill

Goin' To Rio

Groove of Midnight

Holiday Inn

Men In Black

Rolling The Dice

Tomboy

What You Do To Me

Who Do You Know

You Told Me You're Lovin'

The Toy

Angel

I am guessing there's gotta be some great music we haven't heard yet. I just wonder how complete these songs ever got.

Derek1984 said:

Now if I had to make a list of the unreleased tracks in the vault I'd like to hear the most, at the top of my list would be the Will.I.Am tracks. I mean, those were not only among the last tracks MJ recorded, but they were intended to be on the new album he was working on. Just watching the Access Hollywood interview, I think they created some awesome music together.

Now just guessing by looking at song titles and reading up on when they were written, these songs would make my need to hear list:

That Girl (I think intended for Destiny or Triumph)

Sweet Music, Disco Kids, Goodness Knows

Buffalo Bill

Goin' To Rio

Groove of Midnight

Holiday Inn

Men In Black

Rolling The Dice

Tomboy

What You Do To Me

Who Do You Know

You Told Me You're Lovin'

The Toy

Angel

I am guessing there's gotta be some great music we haven't heard yet. I just wonder how complete these songs ever got.

I'm pretty sure a lot of them were completed. They just didn't eith make the cut or go with the album when they got down and selected the final tracks for the album(s.) Rodney said they completed a lot of great music for Invincible, they just didn'y fit the flow of the album. QJ said the same.

Tracks like That Girl, Tomboy, The Toy, Men In Black, Angel, ect I'm pretty sure were all completed, just didn't make the final tracklisting.

I finally read the break of dawn interview, it's really nice!

I'm a bit confused. Freeze pretty much wrote Break Of Dawn on his own, but Michael recieved co-writers credit. Is it because he changed parts of the vocal arrangement?

bboy87 said:

I'm a bit confused. Freeze pretty much wrote Break Of Dawn on his own, but Michael recieved co-writers credit. Is it because he changed parts of the vocal arrangement?

He may have had a hand in writing new melody lines or some new lyrics - a verse or revised chorus. I don't see Michael as a "write a word, claim a third" artist.

Swa said:

bboy87 said:

I'm a bit confused. Freeze pretty much wrote Break Of Dawn on his own, but Michael recieved co-writers credit. Is it because he changed parts of the vocal arrangement?

He may have had a hand in writing new melody lines or some new lyrics - a verse or revised chorus. I don't see Michael as a "write a word, claim a third" artist.

Yeah. I can believe he added the string element in there (I hardly hear that in Freeze's music). Hell the way the chords were, I definitely think Michael composed that if not the lyrics.

Swa said:

bboy87 said:

I'm a bit confused. Freeze pretty much wrote Break Of Dawn on his own, but Michael recieved co-writers credit. Is it because he changed parts of the vocal arrangement?

He may have had a hand in writing new melody lines or some new lyrics - a verse or revised chorus. I don't see Michael as a "write a word, claim a third" artist.

That's what I was thinking at first too

thesexofit said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

They probably have an albums woth of material. Break of Dawn, No Name, Gangsta and he said some more that we don't know about.

Don't forget he was involved in the jam LOL

and also "dope!" and "Gangster" (though the bomb squad did remix "Dope!" and "Poison")

He was (and still is to this day) pretty obscure when Mike worked with him, so it was cool that Mike gave him a chance. Dr Freeze mentioned he will rerecord the instrumental to "blue gangster" . I hope he doesn't fuck it up. Just leave them as they were! Otherwise their work together sounds quite interesting, but I'd rather hear the outtakes with Rodney Jerkins and Teddy Riley (if there are any?).

I never liked "Break of dawn" much really. Need to listen to it again.

[Edited 1/30/11 18:04pm]

RE-RECORD?! FOR WHAT?!

bboy87 said:

ali23 said:

Thursday, January 27, 2011

Michael Jackson's sister Rebbie Jackson will be on "The View".

Rebbie,

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It surprises me to this day how these people STILL go on shows like The View, Oprah, and Extra KNOWING DAMN WELL the hosts have an agenda to talk shit about their brother.....

EXACTLY!!! i have no qualms with stating how i feel about the exploitative nature of this family. it's no secret that some of them would call, asking him for money... the reason michael (reluctantly) joined the victory tour was because of his mother. he did not like don king at all, and his mother decided to be one of the managers of the tour in order to coax michael to join it. the anger in his performances during that tour is evident. and his announcement (without anyone's knowledge) that he was no longer touring with his brothers says everything. and... lest we forget, that monnies fiasco.

this is michael on his brothers, in particular: "they would jump on anything, any second. if anybody said, 'i want to interview you tomorrow about michael's new style of dress, 'sure,' 'cause they just want to be on tv..."

these people know that the hosts aren't interested in them at all. they are exploiting a family member who transcended. i'm not gonna take sides though, because even though i consider his family to use the name in order to be seen, AEG and sony are also part of this major wave of exploitation. they are exploiting him for ATV. they are exploiting his name because they now the fans eat up anything with michael's name on it. at the same time they are sabataging his legacy i believe, mainly to have access of another 25% of ATV. with that, michael will only have 25% left. i'm sure they would try to gain all 100% if they could. one of the things reported after michael trancended (then went away as fast as you could blink) was that michael had some sort of stipulation in one of the documents that his children would only have access to his unpublished music and catalogs. i believe this was the trust, a part of the trust that people were able to access. there was a whole thing in the trust about non-liquid assets.

in reading the AEG/colony capital and sony documents and contracts, i sincerely believe they each had a hand in his murder. this goes way back to a little after michael left the country after the 2005 trial. i think the people running the 'estate' are exploiting his name. there is something VERY wrong with that will. and people are not talking about this.

all i know is that, if this were my brother, son, friend... i would not be all over the press, trying to sell some product relating to him.

SherryJackson said:

bboy87 said:

Rebbie,

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It surprises me to this day how these people STILL go on shows like The View, Oprah, and Extra KNOWING DAMN WELL the hosts have an agenda to talk shit about their brother.....

I know that's right. Sadly, I think all of them are under the misguided sense that some how they can rise above and do right when they just end up making the situation worse **cough** Jermaine **cough,cough**

jermaine should actually be investigated, as he had a hand in introducing thome thome to michael. and thome was STILL there, acting as michael's representative during jermaine's announcement of his brother's trancendence, when he was fired by michael.

SherryJackson said:

I could die happy just looking at this picture...

he is a very beautiful man. you see his spirit right there... it shines beyond the physical. he has the saddest, most beautiful eyes i have ever seen in my life.

Japha11 said:

I didn't buy 'Michael'. We're huuuuugeee MJ fans in this household but I knew I wasn't buying it from when I first heard Breaking News. Can we stop the talk of 'If the Cascio tracks prove to be fake...' THEY'RE F***ING FAKE!!!!! END OF! Sorry but enough is enough.

I haven't even listened to the album properly but the only song on there that is a definite Michael Jackson song in every aspect is Much Too Soon. Pure MJ, stunning vocals, music, everything is perfect. Like he would have wanted. And Best of Joy sounds nice, his vocals are golden - really makes me think about losing him and how sad it really is. The others just sound like they shouldn't be out.

The album is just ppooorrrrrrr. And I love every MJ album. Even Invincible! Bangginnn album! Michael? Boo. Next. And Teddy Riley can gtfo with his bullshit. He's broke and needs the work, no matter what it is. End.

i heard the album in full on the sony site (which was the ONLY way i was gonna hear it- because i wasn't buying it either)- and i consider it to be the worst album i have ever heard in my life. people say, 'what do you mean? there are worse albums, for sure...' the thing is, i am not even thinking of the songs (which i think are pretty pedestrian at best). i am thinking more of the intention. most 'bad' albums are just that. they are meant to be produced for mass consumption, with no value other than that. this 'michael' album was produced with the intention of exploiting the name of a man whose legacy and message is the polar opposite than what they produced.

and invincible is actually one of my four favourite albums of michael's. it is a work which shows his maturity and state of fatherhood. it's also an album which seems to lend to a sort of resignation. he was pretty open in saying that that would be his final album.

Timmy84 said:

That said, if I was gonna be on the show and someone attacked my brother AND father, I'd be like "now hold up..." I haven't seen none of them do that.

EXACTLY. perfectly said.

MOL said:

From Soundmind:

Here is a time line:

- Summer of 2005, MJ left the U.S leaving Randy in charge of his financial empire.

- Late 2006 and at the beginning of 2007 lawsuits being filed against MJ left and right, Miky Pharmacy claimed they were not paid during the period from May 2005 till December 2006 , they said MJ had a contract with them to pay for more than 50 individuals( MJ was abroad during that period), ofcourse the media said those 50 names were all aliases LOL they were actually his employees at Neverland. The state of California also ordered MJ to pay thousands of dollars as fine due to his failure for months to pay the health insurance covering his Neverland employees , again we are talking about late 2006 when MJ was still abroad and Randy incharge. A furniture company also filed lawsuit claiming they were not paid during that period.

- MJ came back on December,25, 2006. A few days later he filed a lawsuit against the team of accountants and mangers hired by Randy during the trial. He claimed they signed deals on his behalf without his knowledge, they stole ANNUALLY $2.5 millions dollar from his accounts, there were no records of where & how that huge amount was spent, the money simply disappeared, they did not pay his bills and failed to pay his employees salaries.Missing from the lawsuit was Randy's name ofcourse . The lawyers countered sued and the judge threw their claims out.

. Rumours spread; MJ owing his younger brother Randy almost $ 1 million ( suuuuure he was not even willing to pay for his own kids ) Randy threatening he will sue him, the fans believed it was just meritless rumours and Randy would not do such a thing, Oxman also filed his own lawsuit accusing MJ of cheating him out of $ 1.5 millions, the lawsuit was thrown.

- The siblings EXCEPT Randy ( pissed & busy trying to figure how to cover his ass )hired Leonrad Rowe in March ,2007 to prepare for the family reunion, that's two months since MJ came back to the U.S. They tried to contact him but he declined , still fresh in his mind the mess Jermaine got him into in Bahrain and what Randy did to him. He figured the family was trying to reach him in desperate attempt to convince him to drop the lawsuit against the accountants hired by Randy, Randy's name would be brought up sooner or later in the lawsuit and Mother Katherine's heart would be broken *sigh*

- In July 2007,MJ's sworn statement surfaced in which he blamed Randy for trying to force him to sell his share in the ATV/Sony catalogue.

- Randy tried to broke into MJ's house and force him to drop the lawsuit, when his efforts failed he threatened he would go to the media.

- Roger Friedman was the mouthspeaker, he wrote everything Randy fed him, he could not prove he did not steal from MJ, the best strategy was to convince his mother ,siblings and the very willing to believe public that MJ was heavily addicted and his accusations should have been ignored . He needed Kathrine's blessings and support so he had to blame someone other than Mike for the addiction, as we know katherine's boys do no wrong including Mike, he blamed Grace and Raymone.

- Katherine, Marlon, Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Latoya and Rebbie signed a statement denying any intervention took place, missing were joe, Randy and Janet.

-Rowe was still talking of the family reunion, MJ issued a statement wishing his siblings the best and denying he would participate in any upcoming family event.

- May, 2008 MJ settled with the accountants.

-February, 2009 the family was shopping a reality TV show, everyone in Hollywood turned them down.

- March ,2009 MJ announced the This is it concerts , everyone was interested in everything MJ , the man had just sold 1 million tickets in four hours ,the brothers felt it was the right time to try their luck with their tv show , AGIAN everyone turned them down. That was in May, days later an article quoting Tito expressing his worries about MJ, telling friends he would not be able to do the shows due to his heavy addiction and we all know what Joe and Rowe did after they were sacked by him.


Conclusion: Convincing the rest of the family that MJ was on drugs was the solution Randy found to cover up his ass, especially since MJ was not the type who would come and confront u, he would hide and cut any contact with u. Deep inside everyone was willing to believe Randy , all of them were struggling financially and their brother was signing deals for hundreds of millions of dollars. You could only imagine how did they feel all of them with no exception when he sold out 50 concerts within four hours and they could not even get one tv to air a one-hour show on them. The frustration & anger toward him ;if he agreed to appear for one minute in their reality tv show, they would have got a deal, he denied them even that.

It was very easy to blame it on drugs than to accept the hard reality, or should I say their egos could not allow them to admit publicly their greedy ways was the real reason he did not want to do anything with them anymore. Compared to him they are losers on every level, they know it very well but hope their kids, wives, and the public don't ," hey at least we are not addicts".

And of course, the "he was a drug addict" story is great for the family, mainly Joe and Randy. Claiming he was a druggie is the only way these two have of shifting the blame of his death to AEG so they can sue it and get an enormous payday. Get why Rowe, Oxman and Joe are everywhere, 24/7, calling MJ an unhealthy, frail looking drug addict? That's the only way they have to create a lawsuit against AEG which is what they have been wanting since Rowe and Joe were told to get lost in June-2009.

[Edited 1/29/11 15:01pm]

you make some EXCELLENT points here; some points i actually forgot about, then remembered as i was reading them again! however, in reading the AEG documents, i believe AEG (as well as sony) had a hand in his murder. the contracts were bogus. i think ALL of these organizations and individuals exploited his weaknesses- and they held either his 'addictions' or his 'catalogs' up for ransom.

if randy phillips goes on the stand, i'm sure the lawyers will empahsize the fact that michael insisted murray be his doctor. the thing is, AEG actually did not provide proper equipment; nor did they apparently bother to check if murray was licensed to distribute the materials he did. this to me is essentially a patients' rights issue. in terms of the family; if they DID try to intervene with his 'addiction', they didn't do a good job of it at all. ESPECIALLY since the man acknowledged in 1993 (on camera) that he held an addiction to painkillers.

michael loved his family, but there was a point where he had to stay distant. because they used him up his whole life. he essentially lived his last hours alone, and in a lot of pain. and there is the type of pain that your children can't even heal. you look at the speeches, interviews and musical material he put out in the world, and the man was crying for help- and it wasn't just for 'drug issues'. of course, this is what they will focus on. because it negates any notion of self-reflection. people took and took until there was no more.

MyLuv229 said:

Q: Speaking of "Break Of Dawn " , which is a great song. I think that's one of the most sensual songs he has ever made and that's what I wanted to hear Michael. I do not know if you know, this is the first time he talks about making love in a song. I do not know if you had addressed this very issue with him?

the person asking this question, i wonder if they've ever heard 'touch' or 'i like you the way you are' by the jackson 5, or even some of the pre-motown J5 stuff... or 'baby be mine' on the thriller album... or even 'in the closet'. or 'find me a girl' on the goin' places album by the jacksons...

MyLuv229 said:

Marrk said:

I believe 'Love's Never Felt So Good' has leaked in great quality fairly recently. for those unaware.

I heard it and it's been on repeat. Kind of reminds me of that that sweet Motown sound. I love Michael's voice on these types of songs. And in the end when he talks and says "alright.. that's fine, that's it" I wonder when it was recorded...

[Edited 1/29/11 20:47pm]

johnny mathis also did the song...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ssHztV7pVk

i happen to profer the bare version that michael did.

WaterInYourBath said:

EmeraldSkies said:

Umm..no

What? Pause at 0:12.

I just have to find this man one day.

his name is nikki goulart.

ali23 said:

Michael calls into the Oprah show in '01.

@:37

hmmmm... wow. i have never seen this before. the nuances are so interesting in this short clip. the 'love/hate' relationship between the two was so evident here... i think michael was very thankful to quincy for what he learned from him... this is what i saw/heard here. but they had so many battles over the years, where jones had so many negative things to say, and essentially rode the coattails of thriller and off the wall (and continues to do so). michael just appeared cautious, as he was dealing with both winfrey and jones.

in an interview in 2009 or so, jones spoke about how michael told him about issues he had with his lungs- and of course in the autopsy this was one of the major issues, that his lungs were inflamed. michael spoke to jones about his autoimmune issues, and he didn't believe michael; instead stating he thought michael hated his blackness. he also, over the years critiqued michael for not having a 'normal' male sex drive- which is the reason he brought michael 'she's out of my life' to sing. i think jones is a wonderful producer; but i have many issues in terms of his morals and intent, in relation to some of these artists.

smoothcriminal12 said:

MyLuv229 said:

http://www.mjfanclub.net/...;Itemid=82

(26-1-2011) In a recent online chat, singer/actress Jennifer Hudson spoke about Michael Jackson and how she feels she's just now getting to know him even though he's gone.

Hudson says she was very surprised when she was asked to sing at the King of Pop's public memorial in July 2009 at the Staple center in Los Angeles. Having never met Jackson, Hudson was at home pregnant and resting when she learned of his death and was asked to sing at the event.

After receiving the invitation, she asked herself, "Why [do] they want me to sing?" she said. "It just puzzled me. How am I the one to sing for it?"

Later, Jackson's music director told her that the singer loved her music. "He was a big supporter of you and a big fan," she said, paraphrasing the music director. "He wanted to have you come sing [with] him overseas for his tour."

Hudson couldn't believe what she was hearing. "Are you serious?" she replied. "I didn't even know the man knew I existed!"

She later learned more about Jackson's appreciation of her work while performing in Dubai and London, where she spoke to several of Jackson's royal friends.

"They would sit and tell me stories about Michael Jackson," Hudson said. "One of them was telling me that when I was nominated for my Oscar, '[Michael] was like, calling [him] on the phone, screaming, telling [him], 'Jennifer won!' And told me the whole spiel.' It brought tears to my eyes. Like wow, I‘m getting to know him, meet him through his family and friends who still live on."

Why is it that every superstar that gives an interview about Mike says that they were invited to open for This Is It?

i was going to ask the very same thing... which makes me think that if anything, these handlers are telling these people this stuff to puff up some heads. let's see... i heard john mayer was gonna open... akon... lady gaga... some kid off youtube... the gaga thing made me laugh actually, as the messages and energy she sends out (which is extremely dark and far from positive- in my opinion she is not about life) is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the energy michael puts out.

angel345 said:

MyLuv229 said:

this is actually one of my favourite ever images of michael's. whenever it pops up it makes me smile. a lot. michael is like a child, and an old man, all at once. it's amazing. not a lot of people have this quality.

ali23 said:

Michael calls into the Oprah show in '01.

@:37

shit, I tried to watch this thinking I'm ok now, and as soon as I heard that voice of his that I haven't heard in a long time, 10 seconds later, I just exploded in tears I really hate this ya'll :*(

SherryJackson said:

My little cupcake...how cute is he?

This picture below...no words... such an angel..

Him with his babies...I love him like this...just comfortable.

he had these large, extremely beautiful brown eyes... these tragically beautiful eyes. they are the saddest eyes i have ever seen in my life. i also happen to love his hands, especially as he got older. they looked like old man's hands. they looked like they had some age spots. they were calloused and hardened.

you could tell, just by looking at him, that he had such a beautiful spirit. but his spirit was so sensitive and vulnerable. so a lot of the times he had to harden himself, in order to exist in this world. but that took its toll on him. you could see that, even as he was a child.

the final two images, you could tell that's how he really was. filled with major contradictions... you see the casualness in his clothes (they're just hanging off of him... they even have some spots on them), yet he's guarded, as he's concealing his eyes. this is one of the major things i noticed about him- and loved... you notice his outfits, when he went out, were as if he were the symbol of royalty... then his loafers would be scuffed and run down, as he's walking on the backs of them. it was no secret that michael was a proponent of thrift shops... as a person who's been thrifting for many years, when i heard him openly say this i just said, 'i KNEW it!'

you never saw him get too flashy anyways, unless he was out to do a major event. he usually had the button up shirt and the slacks, and the loafers. and a lot of times the closes were interchangable. and even in concert he would pretty much wear the same basic outfit for a majority of the show. people emphasize his exorbitant spending, but in many ways he was economical.

out of all the photos, i love them all, but my favourites here happen to be (a. the one which looks like it was taken around 1991, where his hair is back, and (b. the one that was taken in 1984. my favourite photos of him are usually the profile photos. there's something very striking in those, as he's looking pensive and/or sad about something.

When did you join this board student? And interesting analyses....but it sounds like some of it overanalyzed. They are beautiful pics though

bboy87 said:

SherryJackson said:

Help me, people....

I'm thinking of deleting half my facebook friend's list. They be bothering me that I'm wrong about the whole Jason Malachi thing...and I'm getting them with increasing frequency.

Thing is....I know I'm not. I'm glad to know I'm not alone in my thinking either (love you guys ). But unless I see video of Michael singing those songs, I'll never believe it's him.

I had one joker swear up and down Michael was on those damn 3 songs, including Stay. And he was using Wikipedia as his reference...yeah....that's reliable. Please, at one point, I WROTE PART OF A WIKIPEDIA PAGE!

That's why I rarely add MJ fans on Facebook

me either... and if i do, then i don't like to get into things too much with them.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Question, is "Body" and everything else Marlon did better than anything from his album "Baby Tonight"?

I really liked the stuff he did with Janet and Betty Wright and Barry White. It's like something happened after 1985, his stuff just sounded stronger in the early 80s. Burning Desire is jammin' I think Rio is the best thing he may have did.

vs. his Baby Tonight material

[Edited 1/17/11 16:23pm]

Check this out guys!!!

i concur... 'rio' is definitely the best... and the song he did with betty wright. i think marlon suffered from the same fate as a lot of producers/songwriters... he gave people the better material than he gave himself.

MyLuv229 said:

Actually, I found this interesting. Didn't know he had it so early. Someone told me that someone vitiligo can go away in some parts and then return..

the vitiligo notwithstanding; this is one of the SADDEST images i have ever seen of michael... i can only imagine what was going on in his mind. he has the saddest, most beautiful eyes i have ever seen in my life. even here, he looks beaten down by life. and he's not yet 20. HE'S STILL A KID. with whatever abuse that happened to him, plus whatever autoimmune issues he had... imagine being at the height of fame, and you have this thing which changes how you physically look... and you can't tell anyone.

i mean, looking at him with the vitiligo, he's absolutely beautiful. but of course, he could not take that risk of displaying his beauty and uniqueness. that's a huge risk. the thing is though, he actually DID tell people what was going on wth him, if not directly... he mentioned what was going on to quincy jones, as well as people in australia when he was there to sign that ATV deal in 1985. BUT NO ONE BELIEVED HIM. they just attributed his issues to his hatred of being black, or his plastic surgeries or whatever.

you could see signs of vitiligo here as well, on his hands:

i think if people paid attention or looked closely they could see it; but people weren't focused on that, most likely to michael's relief. the other thing which was interesting was that sometimes his make-up job was a bit darker sometimes as well... the one image which comes to mind is when he poses with lionel ritchie, after the commodores concert (or is it just lionel solo?).

this isn't the best example (even though he IS getting his brothers johnson on), but there are other photos around this time, where he's quite dark. here is an image from 1981, where he's wearing the glove, where the vitiligo was getting to be in full effect (as the photos from the triumph tour could attest):

and here, he was a shade or two darker than even the cover of thriller.

michael (and karen faye or whoever) did a great job in concealing the bulk of it... but again, if you were paying attention standing next to him, you would know. it makes me sad to know he didn't feel like he was able to get some moral support.

alphastreet said:

ali23 said:

Michael calls into the Oprah show in '01.

@:37

shit, I tried to watch this thinking I'm ok now, and as soon as I heard that voice of his that I haven't heard in a long time, 10 seconds later, I just exploded in tears I really hate this ya'll :*(

i have my moments as well, where i still cry. it's not necessarily because he is not here on this earth, as everyone's time on earth is impermanent. i cry mainly because i see such a spirit witch resonated with brilliance, with light; and now there are way too many elements which work to dim that brilliance. his teachings will forever remain, long after we all leave this earth, and this i have comfort in. still, i do miss him so. and i do cry. within seconds of hearing something like 'heal the world', it's hard for me to take.

i consider michael to be the greatest teacher to have ever lived in my lifetime, and i study him consistently. it makes me happy to do this. i admit that sometimes it's difficult, and for no reason i will break down, to the point where it's incredibly difficult listen to him, or see him.

alphastreet said:

When did you join this board student? And interesting analyses....but it sounds like some of it overanalyzed. They are beautiful pics though

that's what i do... i analyze everything. i have many questions, and leave no possibilities out, if possible. i take my study of michael extremely seriously, to the point where i get a lot of grief for it from others.

hmmm... i can't remember when i joined this board, it was a number of days ago... i was told there were some interesting dialogs about michael here, that you aren't able to get with his fan base. so far it's been interesting... a lot of conversations about production techniques and picking apart information- things i absolutely love.

Aw that's sweet and I'm glad he's inspired you, the more you know, the more exciting he gets doesn't he?

It's so hard for me to admit the cause of death and I don't feel like I'm crying over that when I'm crying either. When he left, I was numb but also letting him go quick but as soon as we heard about more details and it was kicking in that we will never see hiim again, the pain was kicking in very badly. For me, he was like an escape from daily stresses and anxiety, and with him gone, I was stuck with those and had to find ways to deal with them without turning to listening to him for a change cause it was too painful. While I can play him again and look at pictures most of the time if not all, watching him in motion or hearing him speak makes me cry.