November 2, 2010

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PE can´t even come up with 75 K on their own? What about Flava Flav and his stupid show? Why can´t he provide the money for that project?

This sounds unbelievable! PE were HUGE back in the days. What happened? WTF went wrong?

I know Flava had drug problems and all, but come on.....75.000 dollars should not be worth mentioning. Why don´t they ask other musicians for help? Prince, for example.

KoolEaze said:

PE can´t even come up with 75 K on their own? What about Flava Flav and his stupid show? Why can´t he provide the money for that project?

This sounds unbelievable! PE were HUGE back in the days. What happened? WTF went wrong?

I know Flava had drug problems and all, but come on.....75.000 dollars should not be worth mentioning. Why don´t they ask other musicians for help? Prince, for example.

yeah it is hard to imagine they could not make 75k on a tour of some kind, or get signed by some indie label at least

hell, do they even need 75k for a record?

Are they still living in the projects to be that desperate or are they just doing it as a fan thing?

Wow, this seems like a big fall from grace for PE. I don't know much about the music industry but Im shocked that such a venerable group can't get a deal/loan etc. to cut an album. A few months ago I saw Musinah was fundraising for her next album (she didn't reach the goal) but I am really shocked to see PE in this situation.

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KoolEaze said:

PE can´t even come up with 75 K on their own? What about Flava Flav and his stupid show? Why can´t he provide the money for that project?

Three words: child support payments.

Wait a friggin' moment: are they broke or what?

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These days, it should NOT cost a whole $75,000 (USA) to make a new album.

Music studio production softwares like FL Studio, Orion, & Reason are a combine total of under $600. They even comes with their one software instruments (especially Reason)!

TonyVanDam said:

These days, it should NOT cost a whole $75,000 (USA) to make a new album.

Music studio production softwares like FL Studio, Orion, & Reason are a combine total of under $600. They even comes with their one software instruments (especially Reason)!

Sure, you MIGHT be able to make some decent beats on some cheap ass shitty software.

To get a good vocal recording, you need a good mic, preamp and most importantly, an acoustically treated room to record in, which is expensive.

Then if you want your tracks to sound pro you need a high end mixing engineer who will charge at least US$3-4000 per song to mix.

On top of that, working in a pro facility usually gets the best results/performances.

Unless you're of the opinion that the recorded performances of the 60's, 70's, 80's & 90's were substandard

You can't compare to having all the creative gear at your fingertips and working in a focussed environment with people who are the best at what they do.

(I'm not sure whether they will be tracking in a pro facility or not, just stating why it might be desired)

$75,000 is lowball.

nd33 said:

TonyVanDam said:

These days, it should NOT cost a whole $75,000 (USA) to make a new album.

Music studio production softwares like FL Studio, Orion, & Reason are a combine total of under $600. They even comes with their one software instruments (especially Reason)!

Sure, you MIGHT be able to make some decent beats on some cheap ass shitty software.

To get a good vocal recording, you need a good mic, preamp and most importantly, an acoustically treated room to record in, which is expensive.

Then if you want your tracks to sound pro you need a high end mixing engineer who will charge at least US$3-4000 per song to mix.

On top of that, working in a pro facility usually gets the best results/performances.

Unless you're of the opinion that the recorded performances of the 60's, 70's, 80's & 90's were substandard

You can't compare to having all the creative gear at your fingertips and working in a focussed environment with people who are the best at what they do.

(I'm not sure whether they will be tracking in a pro facility or not, just stating why it might be desired)

$75,000 is lowball.

There is nothing "shitty" about any of those software gears. It all comes down to the producers & composers themselves. In the right hands, those beats made with them are equally as great as if they were done with hardware gears such as a MPC2500 or a Korg M3.

I found out that Public Enemy were using a PC running Sonar for all of their recordings a while back. Maybe they're better off saving money by buying a few new software synths to create new sounds to go with those beats they're always making with their samplers of choices.

TonyVanDam said:

nd33 said:

Sure, you MIGHT be able to make some decent beats on some cheap ass shitty software.

To get a good vocal recording, you need a good mic, preamp and most importantly, an acoustically treated room to record in, which is expensive.

Then if you want your tracks to sound pro you need a high end mixing engineer who will charge at least US$3-4000 per song to mix.

On top of that, working in a pro facility usually gets the best results/performances.

Unless you're of the opinion that the recorded performances of the 60's, 70's, 80's & 90's were substandard

You can't compare to having all the creative gear at your fingertips and working in a focussed environment with people who are the best at what they do.

(I'm not sure whether they will be tracking in a pro facility or not, just stating why it might be desired)

$75,000 is lowball.

There is nothing "shitty" about any of those software gears. It all comes down to the producers & composers themselves. In the right hands, those beats made with them are equally as great as if they were done with hardware gears such as a MPC2500 or a Korg M3.

I found out that Public Enemy were using a PC running Sonar for all of their recordings a while back. Maybe they're better off saving money by buying a few new software synths to create new sounds to go with those beats they're always making with their samplers of choices.

I'm going through a phase of disliking software for making music and digging all hands on hardware/instruments LOL

More conducive to "groove".

They can probably clear one sample with that.

Cinnie said:

They can probably clear one sample with that.

LOL completely forgot about samples....

They're screwed with only $75,000!

nd33 said:

Cinnie said:

They can probably clear one sample with that.

LOL completely forgot about samples....

They're screwed with only $75,000!

They'll be licensing their own vocals from Def Jam

"BRING THAT BEAT BACK"

Cinnie said:

They can probably clear one sample with that.

They gonna sample they old records and get paid!!

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Cinnie said:

They can probably clear one sample with that.

They gonna sample they old records and get paid!!

They won't be able to sample any snippets that already had samples in them though or they'll still have to pay up!

They gonna need to get help from www.donateadopefunksample.com

nd33 said:

TonyVanDam said:

There is nothing "shitty" about any of those software gears. It all comes down to the producers & composers themselves. In the right hands, those beats made with them are equally as great as if they were done with hardware gears such as a MPC2500 or a Korg M3.

I found out that Public Enemy were using a PC running Sonar for all of their recordings a while back. Maybe they're better off saving money by buying a few new software synths to create new sounds to go with those beats they're always making with their samplers of choices.

I'm going through a phase of disliking software for making music and digging all hands on hardware/instruments LOL

More conducive to "groove".

Well you know Roland, E-MU, & Yamaha still make grooveboxes.

Part of it has to do with making the fans feel they were part of the recording process and showing support. A few other bands have gone this route, plus knowing where the different fans are from helps a bit in booking shows. I'm pretty sure PE did this as a way to draw attention to the website for others to check out. You need a legit artist in there so people don't feel like they're going to get ripped off in the end.

It's an interesting concept for a local band with a strong following regionally to try out. I think it's a great way to do a 5 song EP (or even just one song!) just to get some studio time paid for and then have it distributed on there and other sites when it's all put together.I don't know if you'd get big numbers with it, but if you break even, it's better than artists with a major and took a loss due to poor promotion and airplay.

Chuck D is using the word "Fams".

This whole thing is confusing. Why are the fans paying for them to record an album? Didn't the article say that they are on tour right now? Umm okay so where is that money going to? The IRS???? This is too strange for me to grasp.

missfee said:

This whole thing is confusing. Why are the fans paying for them to record an album? Didn't the article say that they are on tour right now? Umm okay so where is that money going to? The IRS???? This is too strange for me to grasp.

Yeah it's all confusing.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Cinnie said:

They can probably clear one sample with that.

They gonna sample they old records and get paid!!

They can do like Quincy Jones and make their old music again, but terribly this time.

Timmy84 said:

missfee said:

This whole thing is confusing. Why are the fans paying for them to record an album? Didn't the article say that they are on tour right now? Umm okay so where is that money going to? The IRS???? This is too strange for me to grasp.

Yeah it's all confusing.

^^ exactly! it makes no sense: they are broke but touring the world at the same time??

I don't know if we should assume that it's necessarily about them being broke. They're not asking for charity; they want financing for a commercial venture. Seems like they're one of the many recording artists experimenting with different economic models for making records. Normally, it's the record company that comes up with an advance (though, as I understand it, they claim it back on the sales from that and other albums on the contract). Here, the artist gets to cut out that middleman and havethe fans finance the recording process. Potentially a positive move, if it proves successful, I reckon.

Whatever the merits of this particular approach, I can see good reasons for not funding it from your own personal finances, in any case. Number one, you don't incur all the risk yourself (it might sell 10 copies and you end up having to sell your house!); and number two, you don't start with a $75k outlay (or whatever it ends up costing) as a black hole to fill. Remember, they want to turn in a profit, not just cover their costs. Biniss, y'know.

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Im suprised PE are doing this..

I have spotted a few not much lived 90's groups/artists who are doing this..i can undertand their plea..not PE???

Y'know, taking inspiration from this, we could collectively approach Prince and tell him we'll cut him a financing deal. He can keep the masters, but we get to include a lengthy list of clauses ensuring much-needed quality control.

"Parties named herein shall agree to refrain from: making Jehovah's Witness concept albums; making free jazz concept albums; attempts at using 'youth speak' unbecoming of a 52-year-old; furthering the Curse of Auto-Tune...", etc.

Hell, I've got my $27 ready.

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missfee said:

This whole thing is confusing. Why are the fans paying for them to record an album? Didn't the article say that they are on tour right now? Umm okay so where is that money going to? The IRS???? This is too strange for me to grasp.

This was where I first heard of a band doing this type of recording and distribution. This might make more sense after you read it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einst%C3%BCrzende_Neubauten

In 2002, Einstürzende Neubauten began work on a new album without the backing of a record label, relying instead upon fan ("supporter") participation in an experiment of a type of Street Performer Protocol combined with an internet community and touches of the patronage system. An exclusive Supporter Album No. 1, and the Airplane Miniatures EP following, were made available in 2003.

JoeTyler said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah it's all confusing.

^^ exactly! it makes no sense: they are broke but touring the world at the same time??

Just because they're touring doesn't necessarily mean they're making money.

They could just as well be getting by day to day like most of us...

Many of you have it twisted. They aren't "broke" and haven't fallen off. I invested in the project well over a year ago. It's simply a different business model that involves the consumer more. They have different packages, one includes producer credits, another gives you that and unlimited backstage access and a limited edition PE tour jacket. PE has always been on the cutting edge of changing the business model (ala Prince). They actually have the courage to innovate and do a project for the people that matter, their fans! Change your mindsets people!