PlayboyOriginal said:

Funny how he became a perfectionist yet his last 3 albums were filled with filler and him repeating the same shit from the first 2. He was damn good but he's highly overrated like there weren't other great singer/dancers before him. They just didn't make awful cheesy music for worldwide appeal. His voice wasn't anything special to me and he always sung each song the same. So I don't know how he became this such revered vocalist. Hell El DeBarge sounds like him and who gives a fuck about him? I just don't get all the hype but like I said he was great at what he did and one of the last of a dying breed. For me to be completely ok with the hype then he would have to atleast done new choreography and switched up the song subjects as the 90's came around. He's somebody who is an 80's relic and never really updated himself to fit with the changing times as the 90's progressed. He just sold because of his name. Just me 2 cents...

Whilst I totally disagree with you on your take - it's funny how through the same visor the same could be said about Prince and his last 3 releases - and some on here might argue more based on the current reviews of 20Ten.

If you can't hear any progression in any of Michael's work then I'd be happy to point you in a few directions.

Swa

Swa said:

thesexofit said:

Hey Bboy, and others, what do you think of the few tracks Mike did with David Foster? He worked with Mike back in the day with Quincy (co-writing "it's the falling in love" being his main credit), but by the mid 90's I felt some of his best days were behind him.

However, his work with Mike on "Earth song" (already a demo before Foster's involvement I know), "Childhood" and "Smile" are typical MOR territory for David, but I think he got some great vocals out of Mike (and Mike from himself as he helped produce them with David LOL). Inparticular "Childhood" and "Smile". Foster had already worked with Streisand, and Mike's a big fan, and you can hear he somewhat mimics Bab's on parts of "Childhood" (example "hhhhave you seen my childhood" The way he sings the "ha" of "have". Hard to explain LOL). Thats not a criticism bytheway, as she is second to none when it comes to female vocals I feel. Mike's falcetto is gorgeous aswell, as is the string arrangement. Yes its showtunes, but I love that side of Mike.

"Smile" is a song thats been re-evaluated since his death (and the funeral etc..). Such a shame it was never released as a single as I felt in the UK at least, it could of done great things. Again, Fosters MOR arrangement suits Michael's vocals fine. Also again, Mikes vocals are a real standout when compared to alot of his post Quincy work. It's obviously a song very dear to his heart.

Foster wrote the music to the still unsolved mystery of "I have this dream". Did Mike ever record it? Anyway, Foster has said Mike was abit strange LOL (Foster never minces his words), but also said he was such a pro in the studio (though he said Mike would do take after take after take, which would do his head in LOL).

Mike's work with David on "HIStory" showed a more MOR and showtune side of Mike that alot of people seem to hate. I love that side alot. David is known for always getting great vocals from his clients. He continued to do that with Michael I feel. Shame he didn't work with David again.

One of the highlights of Little Susie, Childhood and Smile is that for the most part these were one take vocals recorded live with the orchestra - with maybe one line picked up in another pass.

Credit where credit is due - even though I'm not a fan of Childhood.

Yeah, the string arrangement of Childhood is the best part of the music IMO

here's the center mix of the song extracted from the HIStory on Film DVD

Now those horns are FONKY! Dig to hear the parts separately.

Timmy84 said:

Now those horns are FONKY! Dig to hear the parts separately.

I yelled "Oh shit!" when I found that video

When Sony releases the deluxe edition of OTW next year, I hope they give it similar treatment that Bowie's "Station To Station" is getting

and Q-Tip has the OTW multitracks and ?uestlove has the What's Goin' On multis

Somebody needs to get robbed......

After just listening to Live at the Forum - I am blown away at how good it sounds and how surprisingly tight (most of the time) the band is. I never really gave Tito too much credit, but on the live recordings you really get to hear his playing and what he brings to the party.

And what blew me away most was hearing Michael's live vocals as an 11 year old and 13 year old. The first disc captures a child with talent and control beyond his years and has a joyful exuberance to it. The second disc shows Michael's voice a little raspier (due to the onset of puberty?) but you can still hear the professional who has honed his talent.

If you don't have this album yet - I recommend you get it.

Just wish there was footage of these shows.

Swa

^^ I hope so too it deserves it.

I think whoever narrated this wasn't too clear on who was exactly playing what and who was singing what? But I think it's safe Michael is the only one singing vocals here, Janet and Randy provide percussion. I think Greg Phillinganes is playing the bass synthesizer and MJ is playing keyboards and doing the handclaps/finger snaps but I'm just assuming this was what was going on in Hayvenhurst one day in '78 lol

Swa said:

After just listening to Live at the Forum - I am blown away at how good it sounds and how surprisingly tight (most of the time) the band is. I never really gave Tito too much credit, but on the live recordings you really get to hear his playing and what he brings to the party.

And what blew me away most was hearing Michael's live vocals as an 11 year old and 13 year old. The first disc captures a child with talent and control beyond his years and has a joyful exuberance to it. The second disc shows Michael's voice a little raspier (due to the onset of puberty?) but you can still hear the professional who has honed his talent.

If you don't have this album yet - I recommend you get it.

Just wish there was footage of these shows.

Swa

There most likely is footage, we just haven't gotten our hands on it

Some older fans/collectors have Destiny and Triumph shows and there's fans out there that have concerts from the Bad, Dangerous, and HIStory tours that we have yet to see

Someone on MJJC just got their hands on tapes from the Bad tour rehearsals and possibly the first Bad tour show in Rome

bboy87 said:

Swa said:

It was a starting point as for most people this is their sphere of reference for Michael. You know me, more than happy to discuss the music on every release he did.

To that point I just got my J5 live at the forum delivered today and about to crank that.

But what is everyone else's opinion on the music side of things - what are the essential songs for you?

I gotta make my list. I love all of Michael's work but there's some tracks were I literally REFUSE to listen to, matter of fact, I'll start from there

The Young Folks (from ABC)- I don't know what it is about this cut, but I skip it everytime it comes on. It's not a bad song, but I do without it

Wings Of My Love (from Got To Be There)- I skip this one, matter of fact, when I first heard the album years ago (probably around 1994), I listened to it twice and I think I haven't heard it since

Too Young (from Music And Me)- this isn't on my list anymore but it used to be! This one, I felt, was a complete misfire and reason why the Music And Me album felt so weak, but it wasn't until I was listening to the radio and heard it on a classical station that made me go "WOW"

Dapper Dan (from Forever Michael)- I don't hate this song, but I don't really like it either. It's like "Call On Me had to wait 10 years to finally be released but THIS made an album?"

Heaven Knows I Love You, Girl (from Goin' Places)- I've NEVER liked this song. This could've been done by The O'Jays and I still would dislike it, and I like O'Jays!

The Girl Is Mine (from Thriller)- it's funny, this song was #2 on the pop chart, #1 on the R&B chart, and #8 in the UK, and I rarely hear people say they like this song and I'm one of them. It's corny, cheesy, and unfunny. The demo from a year earlier is far superior. Ebony and Ivory was a better song. YEAH I SAID IT. Matter of fact, I turned TGIM and put on Ebony and Ivory to cleanse my ears

Torture (from Victory)- Yeah, this song has Jermaine's greasy fingerprints ALL OVER IT It's like an half assed attempt at Thriller, which wasn't a GREAT song, so it says alot

Body (from Victory)- Yeah Marlon is the lead vocalist on the song but I don't care

Heal The World (from Dangerous). NO....just......NO. From the album I regard as Michael's best written work, this song, I feel, the weakest. For All Time or Monkey Business or Someone Put Your Hand Out didn't get picked but THIS one did?! Michael had this thing for cheesy pop songs that I can get with because I tend to like the same songs sometimes (I have Kenny Rogers, Bros, Wham!, Culture Club, and remember, I like "Ebony and Ivory") but this one...will not do

D.S (from HIStory)- I understand the reason for putting this on the album and I give Michael props for doing it but I've never liked it, the lyrics...it's like he was just spouting out random shit

You Are Not Alone (from HIStory)- now get this, I love Childhood, and I love Earth Song, but I can't stand this song except for the last part when Michael starts adlibbing. Maybe because the song is cheesy beyond cheesy, maybe because I DESPISE the videos (No Michael, nobody wanted to see your balls, bruh....although Lisa Marie's butt was lookin' kinda nice back then) or maybe I can't stand the muthafucka who wrote it.....

Ghosts (from Blood On The Dancefloor)- I prefer Is It Scary over this one

Heartbreaker (from Invincible)- NO..NO....NO...Invincible's cool points went down because this clusterfuck of a song. The lyrics....okay, but the production.... (pushes plate away), I will not be having any of that, sir

2000 Watts (from Invincible)- why do I always imagine the old Cartoon Network series "Reboot" when I hear this track?

Cry (from Invincible)- We didn't need a Man In The Mirror 2001, Kells! GET THIS OUTTA HERE

The Lost Children (from Invincible)- Words cannot express my.......

utter......absolute.....complete....disdain for this song. I hate it like I hated gym class. I hate this song like Michael Jordan hates nice clothing. I hate this song like Jermaine hates dry hair. I hate this song like Mel Gibson hates everybody

this song was NOT COOL

I think I like the Young Folks, I think. It's better than We've Got Blue Sky's.

I love Wings of My Love just so smooth, you missing out, give it a spin after 16 years.

I atually used to play Too Young a lot, it's ok.

You write about Dapper Dan.

And you trippin about Heaven Knows I love You Girl, that's song is the bidness. Song I listen to the least from that album is probably Find Me A Girl though I'm comming round to it and it may be replaced by Jumo For Joy.

Torture is great bro

I loke Body also, i use to love Wait, it was my favorite from the albu, now I can't stand it.

Ghost >>> Is It Scary

2000 Watts has grown on me, I'd always skip when I first got it back in 01.

WaterInYourBath said:

It's not about Quincy not receiving any credit. His input was considerably needed, since he's an adept arranger, and knew the best instrumentalists around to recruit for recording. The issue is him getting too much credit, and too much attention when Off The Wall, Thriller, and Bad are discussed in most TV shows, articles, etc, causing people who are unaware to think/believe that he was the one who composed and solely produced all of Michael's songs from those albums. That is always the problem, as well as the notion that Quincy Jones is the only reason why MJ's adult solo albums in the 80s were successful, and I've read that even Michael resented that eventually.

Michael's best 2 albums are produced by Quincy. His other albums can't compete with them so Quincy DESERVES his recognition. Not too many producers from that time period are recognized for they contributed to a particular artist shining and and having success. So I don't see the problem with Quincy getting his just dues.

bboy87 said:

@LBC and bboy87, I bet y'all probably didn't know this (or did) but "The Young Folks" was actually a cover of the version made by Diana Ross and the Supremes with the lyrics altered to fit the brothers. Oddly enough Jackie, Tito, Jermaine and Marlon sound like the Andantes while MJ mixes the Diana Ross coos with his vocals.

Interesting protest song done by the J5 lol

PlayboyOriginal said:

WaterInYourBath said:

It's not about Quincy not receiving any credit. His input was considerably needed, since he's an adept arranger, and knew the best instrumentalists around to recruit for recording. The issue is him getting too much credit, and too much attention when Off The Wall, Thriller, and Bad are discussed in most TV shows, articles, etc, causing people who are unaware to think/believe that he was the one who composed and solely produced all of Michael's songs from those albums. That is always the problem, as well as the notion that Quincy Jones is the only reason why MJ's adult solo albums in the 80s were successful, and I've read that even Michael resented that eventually.

Michael's best 2 albums are produced by Quincy. His other albums can't compete with them so Quincy DESERVES his recognition. Not too many producers from that time period are recognized for they contributed to a particular artist shining and and having success. So I don't see the problem with Quincy getting his just dues.

I used to think along those lines, but listen to the demos man. You can hear the creative process as applied to all the arrangements. So many wierd sounds that originated not in the mind of Quincy but in the mind of Michael. His peak happened to coincide with his relationship with Q, nothing more, nothing less. Most genius' do their best work as young men, Elvis never quite equalled the brilliance of his earliest recordings, the beatles were never the same after they broke up. Michael had great teamates but the brilliance belonged to him and I hope history gives this to him correctly.

thesexofit said:

If I had an all top top 20 songs list, "wait" would probably be in it LOL. Saying I love it is an understatment. Jackie sounds great on it. Brilliant production, great opening, 2 great middle 8's (Steve Lukathers guitar solo is fire!)

And I love it when Mike comes in after the 2nd middle 8 bellowing "my priiiiiide". You know the bit I mean LOL. I wish they did this live (heck Jermaine must of convinced Mike to do "tell me i'm not dreamin'" on Jermaines solo set of the "Victory" tour LOL. Love the outro to "Wait" as well. Toto are all over that one, but credit to Jackie as well. Mike and Jermaines adlibs at the end are worth it aswell.

Strangley enough my 2 most played J5/Jacksons songs are 'Love Is The Thing You Need' and 'Wait'. I agree with everything you said about 'Wait'.

Also I'll never forget last year on MJ's birthday when I went to a soul karaoke club (with a real funk band instead of a karaoke machine!). It was MJ special night and all the songs were just your general MJ radio hits - me and my friend did Working Day And Night as it was the only non single listed. During the break of singing the club started playing the 'Moving Violation' album. I went wild and started singing to everything, but no-one else knew what the hell they were listening to

[Edited 7/12/10 22:45pm]

Swa said:

After just listening to Live at the Forum - I am blown away at how good it sounds and how surprisingly tight (most of the time) the band is. I never really gave Tito too much credit, but on the live recordings you really get to hear his playing and what he brings to the party.

And what blew me away most was hearing Michael's live vocals as an 11 year old and 13 year old. The first disc captures a child with talent and control beyond his years and has a joyful exuberance to it. The second disc shows Michael's voice a little raspier (due to the onset of puberty?) but you can still hear the professional who has honed his talent.

If you don't have this album yet - I recommend you get it.

Just wish there was footage of these shows.

Swa

I'm so frustrated about the delay of this release. I must get an e-mail from Amazon every week telling me it's been pushed back once again. I even pre-ordered it for something like £54.99 (Hip O-Select don't ship outside North America - not anymore anyway) but luckily the price has come down to something reasonable.

I have absolutely no idea when it's eventually going to arrive.

What I want to know is that the performance of 'Thank You Falletinme Be Mice Elf Agin' (sp?) - I have a very muffled bad quality live recording from 1970 that I used to be obsessed with. I wanna know if it's the same concert, and if so I may just scream when I hear it in good quality.

Mike tellin' Flip Wilson like it is:

"Man, you owe me 13 DOLLARS!"

This one is funny too, but something is wrong with this one. Notice Michael's reaction toward how Flip grabbed him and stuff in the video (even though it's just acting). Sad!

[Edited 7/12/10 23:35pm]

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Now those horns are FONKY! Dig to hear the parts separately.

I yelled "Oh shit!" when I found that video

When Sony releases the deluxe edition of OTW next year, I hope they give it similar treatment that Bowie's "Station To Station" is getting

and Q-Tip has the OTW multitracks and ?uestlove has the What's Goin' On multis

Somebody needs to get robbed......

WHY does Q-Tip have the damn multi-tracks in the first place?! .. I know MJ hand delivered the the original masters of PYT to Monica and Darkchild when they did Monica's track "All Eyez On Me". I flipped out when I heard all those extra vocal adlibs and runs MJ did in her song.

"GET IT OOON!"

ViintageJunkiie said:

bboy87 said:

I yelled "Oh shit!" when I found that video

When Sony releases the deluxe edition of OTW next year, I hope they give it similar treatment that Bowie's "Station To Station" is getting

and Q-Tip has the OTW multitracks and ?uestlove has the What's Goin' On multis

Somebody needs to get robbed......

WHY does Q-Tip have the damn multi-tracks in the first place?! .. I know MJ hand delivered the the original masters of PYT to Monica and Darkchild when they did Monica's track "All Eyez On Me". I flipped out when I heard all those extra vocal adlibs and runs MJ did in her song.

"GET IT OOON!"

Somebody gave him copies

PlayboyOriginal said:

WaterInYourBath said:

It's not about Quincy not receiving any credit. His input was considerably needed, since he's an adept arranger, and knew the best instrumentalists around to recruit for recording. The issue is him getting too much credit, and too much attention when Off The Wall, Thriller, and Bad are discussed in most TV shows, articles, etc, causing people who are unaware to think/believe that he was the one who composed and solely produced all of Michael's songs from those albums. That is always the problem, as well as the notion that Quincy Jones is the only reason why MJ's adult solo albums in the 80s were successful, and I've read that even Michael resented that eventually.

Michael's best 2 albums are produced by Quincy. His other albums can't compete with them so Quincy DESERVES his recognition. Not too many producers from that time period are recognized for they contributed to a particular artist shining and and having success. So I don't see the problem with Quincy getting his just dues.

Technically, unless you're referring to sales, that's a matter of opinion/taste. Some hardcore MJ fans would disagree with you.

And no one said Quincy doesn't deserve recognition. As repeated, Quincy was a great producer whose work was substantial, but Michael's mind (as well as those of some of the other writers involved) is the main reason why his 80s albums are considered superlative (even though I feel his 90s albums are just as great). Jones' involvement should not overshadow Michael's abilities in the studio as a songwriter and arranger. If Michael was just some lame prodigy/protege, as you think, who allowed Jones to have 100% control over everything, Thriller and Bad, for example, actually would NOT have been as good as they are. He and MJ often feuded because he wanted to omit a couple of Michael's compositions from the tracklistings that eventually became acclaimed #1 hits, lol.

If it were all about Quincy only, the records he produced for other artists, like Rufus and Brothers Johnson, would have been structured (sound-wise) just as perfectly as Michael's, but in my opinion, that is not the case. Their albums with Quincy lacked what MJ's records had, and that's Michael's insight as a composer, co-producer, and song selector, which was the heart and strength of MJ's albums.

WaterInYourBath said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

Michael's best 2 albums are produced by Quincy. His other albums can't compete with them so Quincy DESERVES his recognition. Not too many producers from that time period are recognized for they contributed to a particular artist shining and and having success. So I don't see the problem with Quincy getting his just dues.

Technically, unless you're referring to sales, that's a matter of opinion/taste. Some hardcore MJ fans would disagree with you.

And no one said Quincy doesn't deserve recognition. As repeated, Quincy was a great producer whose work was substantial, but Michael's mind (as well as those of some of the other writers involved) is the main reason why his 80s albums are considered superlative (even though I feel his 90s albums are just as great). Jones' involvement should not overshadow Michael's abilities in the studio as a songwriter and arranger. If Michael was just some lame prodigy/protege, as you think, who allowed Jones to have 100% control over everything, Thriller and Bad, for example, actually would NOT have been as good as they are. He and MJ often feuded because he wanted to omit a couple of Michael's compositions from the tracklistings that eventually became acclaimed #1 hits, lol.

If it were all about Quincy only, the records he produced for other artists, like Rufus and Brothers Johnson, would have been structured (sound-wise) just as perfectly as Michael's, but in my opinion, that is not the case. Their albums with Quincy lacked what MJ's records had, and that's Michael's insight as a composer, co-producer, and song selector, which was the heart and strength of MJ's albums .

I could careless if people disagreed with what albums are his best. I'm not a stan or even a major fan The MJ albums that I care about are the ones I mentioned and are the ones where Quincy was in charge. To me, once Quincy lost control MJ's music went straight to the shitter. I can only speak from my opinion

You have a point on Thriller but Bad was mostly filler IMHO. I don't think MJ is that great of a songwriter which is why people don't give him that recognition because his songwriting was mostly cheesy and corny. There is only 4 songs I like on Bad and they are all written by MJ but the songwriting isn't what thrills me. Its the grooves and the iconic music videos that make me appreciate them. So yeah his songwriting was mostly dumb fluff. Its Quincy's production that tuly makes the songs POP with Michael being a decent singer and a studio pro by then. #1 hits don't means much to me because anybody can have one. Most of the time you don't even know what the hell MJ is singing cuz he mumbles so damn much. All you know is the chorus which is always catchy.

Masterjam by Rufus is a great album but if it isn't a knockout then its mainly because Rufus and Chaka had their sound and groove which might not have gelled completely with Quincy's vision. Its harder to produce for a group that has their own sound and try to give them something different but doesn't push away their fanbase as oppose to creating something totally new for a singer with no brand or musical style. I understand your point about the heart and soul of MJ's albums but I could say that Chaka's phenomenal vocal stylings and powerhouse voice is whats missing from MJ's album of mostly instrumentals and whispers.

Quincy deserves the majority of the props for OTW & Thriller at least from my viewpoint. We'll just agree to disagree.

Ellie said:

Swa said:

After just listening to Live at the Forum - I am blown away at how good it sounds and how surprisingly tight (most of the time) the band is. I never really gave Tito too much credit, but on the live recordings you really get to hear his playing and what he brings to the party.

And what blew me away most was hearing Michael's live vocals as an 11 year old and 13 year old. The first disc captures a child with talent and control beyond his years and has a joyful exuberance to it. The second disc shows Michael's voice a little raspier (due to the onset of puberty?) but you can still hear the professional who has honed his talent.

If you don't have this album yet - I recommend you get it.

Just wish there was footage of these shows.

Swa

I'm so frustrated about the delay of this release. I must get an e-mail from Amazon every week telling me it's been pushed back once again. I even pre-ordered it for something like £54.99 (Hip O-Select don't ship outside North America - not anymore anyway) but luckily the price has come down to something reasonable.

I have absolutely no idea when it's eventually going to arrive.

What I want to know is that the performance of 'Thank You Falletinme Be Mice Elf Agin' (sp?) - I have a very muffled bad quality live recording from 1970 that I used to be obsessed with. I wanna know if it's the same concert, and if so I may just scream when I hear it in good quality.

I ordered mine from Amazon (shipping to Australia) and had no issues.

It's very cool - and will be worth the wait trust me.

The whole Quincy MJ discussion has been round for years with many feeling neither gets enough credit.

In my opinion Quincy helped focus and harness Michael's raw talent and ability and taught him about arrangements especially in OTW. With Thriller I think Michael was really coming into his own and by the time Bad came around the power was very much shared.

It was a great partnership, much like The Beatles and George Martin - but by the same account you would never discount the ability of John or Paul as songwriters.

Quincy deserves a lot of credit, but an equal share has to be due to Michael.

Swa

I just re-read that interview with Quincy and what he said about Michael. I agree with Quincy 100%. Now I do believe that MJ had vitiligo but i's only because Dr. Deepak Chopra confirmed that (who also appears not to be a favorite around here anymore). But all the other stuff that MJ did to his appearance....and the situaiton with the kids - I think Quincy hit it right on the nose.

And though I was extensively lectured by some of MJ's fans on how they are level headed and acknowledge that he did not always make the best decisions, I notice that SOME fans who may have once liked Deepak and Quincy no longer are feeling them because they spoke the truth as THEY belived it about Michael, and SOME fans can't seem to accept that. So it's kinda like double talk. "We know he wasn't perfect"....but when someone else points that out...they are "vilified". And all these angry responses come about.

Hey I just had to put that out there. And for those that this does not apply to....don't even respond because it's a waste of time.

bboy87 said:

Whilst I like On The Line - I wish that hadn't done that to the Spike video for This Is It though - i always liked that he gave that song a video befitting of Michael's passing.

Reel said:

I just re-read that interview with Quincy and what he said about Michael. I agree with Quincy 100%. Now I do believe that MJ had vitiligo but i's only because Dr. Deepak Chopra confirmed that (who also appears not to be a favorite around here anymore). But all the other stuff that MJ did to his appearance....and the situaiton with the kids - I think Quincy hit it right on the nose.

Just to clarify something - sadly what should make you believe MJ had vitiligo isn't if Deepak or Quincy said so, but unfortunately that it was confirmed by the coroner at Michael's autopsy.

For me, it was only in his death that people finally accepted he suffered from the disease, and how painful it must have been to have disclosed such a thing over 19 years ago and to have to endure ridicule for all that period as well.

MyLuv229 said:

scatwoman said:

I'm glad someone noticed that quote in the article I posted. I knew that Michael probably played around with drums and the guitar, but this is the first time someone said he was amazing at playing an instrument. I had to make it bold because that's the first thing people attack Michael with whenever comparing him to Prince. I couldn't ignore it

Typically, everyone else has though.

Ellie said:

Swa said:

After just listening to Live at the Forum - I am blown away at how good it sounds and how surprisingly tight (most of the time) the band is. I never really gave Tito too much credit, but on the live recordings you really get to hear his playing and what he brings to the party.

And what blew me away most was hearing Michael's live vocals as an 11 year old and 13 year old. The first disc captures a child with talent and control beyond his years and has a joyful exuberance to it. The second disc shows Michael's voice a little raspier (due to the onset of puberty?) but you can still hear the professional who has honed his talent.

If you don't have this album yet - I recommend you get it.

Just wish there was footage of these shows.

Swa

I'm so frustrated about the delay of this release. I must get an e-mail from Amazon every week telling me it's been pushed back once again. I even pre-ordered it for something like £54.99 (Hip O-Select don't ship outside North America - not anymore anyway) but luckily the price has come down to something reasonable.

I have absolutely no idea when it's eventually going to arrive.

What I want to know is that the performance of 'Thank You Falletinme Be Mice Elf Agin' (sp?) - I have a very muffled bad quality live recording from 1970 that I used to be obsessed with. I wanna know if it's the same concert, and if so I may just scream when I hear it in good quality.

I had the same issues with Barnes & Noble,I finally was able to find it in town,so I canceled my order with B&N.