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Reply #60 posted 04/11/10 7:54am

Cinnie

errant said:

not with contemporary r&b and its producers. her audience is aging queens (myself included) and aiming her material at the 15 year old r&b audience isn't going to work. they could not care less. she doesn't really seem to be that into it anyway.

i never understand when artists get older and keep chasing the teenage market. sometimes it works out and they get a fluke out of it (Madonna's "4 Minutes" for example) but usually it's very unsatisfying artistically and unsatisfying for fans. I'm talking about all of them. Janet, Madonna, Prince, Mariah....

on the other hand, these older artists are accustomed to the kind of lifestyle and record deals that require a big hit to keep them neck deep in Versace. so I understand that. but at some point, they have to realize they're wasting their time "keeping up" with what's hot out there by younger, newer acts. they have built a fanbase that is very loyal and they could keep selling to no matter what they WANT to do, and it rarely comes across that these attempts at hip, contemporary sounds and styles is what they really WANT to do at all.


Who the hell do you think "Make Me" was made for? confuse It sounds like disco house. eek

Why didn't those aging queens make it a hit? hmph!
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Reply #61 posted 04/11/10 8:26am

VoicesCarry

ernestsewell said:

Discipline was a good album, but Island Def Jam dropped the ball with the next single. It definitely had more hits left on it.

Yes, Janet will have radio hits again. "Feedback" was all over the radio. "Nothing" is just a soundtrack song. I'm not taking it seriously.


Feedback was a radio flop - it didn't even make the Top 60 on Hot 100 Airplay, or go Top 20 on any of her core formats. That's disastrous for a lead single, especially one as good as Feedback was.

I'm not quite sure what it would take for Janet to score a significant radio hit again. Radio at the moment is the most ageist it's ever been - and as someone over 40, Janet isn't welcome, regardless of the quality of her material.

Her best bet for a radio hit is to focus her efforts on the format that is historically most likely to embrace her (Urban).
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Reply #62 posted 04/11/10 8:31am

VoicesCarry

midiscover said:

ernestsewell said:


I'm not sure that's 100% of the truth. The word was there was a lot of disagreement on what the next single was going to be, and both sides just hit a ball. I suppose either could have just relented and given in.


Yes, there was a huge disagreement between Janet and LA Reid because he wanted "Rock Wit U" as the 2nd single and Janet wanted "Luv". Of course, LA got his way and "Rock Wit U" became the 2nd single. It flopped. Then I think "Luv" was released right after but the album was pretty much dead by then. It didn't help that Kenneth Crear was her manager at the time too.

I think Janet could've worked something out.


They both "got their way" (if you can call it that) - Rock With U was sent for adds at Top 40 and Rhythmic while Luv was sent for adds at Urban and Urban A/C. Neither was a cross-format single. RWU was disastrous but Luv was doing reasonably well on both Urban and UAC but the lack of promotion after the album dropped killed its chances of actually doing anything.

Of the two, Luv was easily the best choice. But LA is known for his horrendous single choices.
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Reply #63 posted 04/11/10 8:31am

VoicesCarry

seeingvoices12 said:

Why Not? Mariah carey scored a hit with " We Belong Together" after 3 or 2 flops in row, If mariah did it, then Janet can do it, she needs a great record.


Mariah was 35 then.
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Reply #64 posted 04/11/10 8:38am

lastdecember

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I often dont get the "radio comments" on the forum, we all mostly agree that radio is shit, but then we see in the post that "Janet needs stronger material to get played" ??HUH?? So do a great song and it will get played because radio plays shit? does that make sense?

Janet is from a time when you could get played when you were 40 and over, shit the Rolling Stones and Aretha and Elton and Billy Joel were all proof of that and more in the 80's, and you could NOT have to be the same to get played, now you have to be the same as everyone to be played, diversity is gone, plain and simple, stop wanting to be a part of a "Time" where diversity is NOT accepted, and its not and hasnt been for a long time.

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Reply #65 posted 04/11/10 8:44am

Cinnie

lastdecember, you must have missed this post:

midiscover said:

and I don't want Janet to have a radio hit. That would require her to conform to the norm and make synth, repetitive shitty music. I like that she does her own thing a la "Nothing". No one else is making ballads now. She don't curr
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Reply #66 posted 04/11/10 9:34am

Timmy84

Cinnie said:

errant said:

not with contemporary r&b and its producers. her audience is aging queens (myself included) and aiming her material at the 15 year old r&b audience isn't going to work. they could not care less. she doesn't really seem to be that into it anyway.

i never understand when artists get older and keep chasing the teenage market. sometimes it works out and they get a fluke out of it (Madonna's "4 Minutes" for example) but usually it's very unsatisfying artistically and unsatisfying for fans. I'm talking about all of them. Janet, Madonna, Prince, Mariah....

on the other hand, these older artists are accustomed to the kind of lifestyle and record deals that require a big hit to keep them neck deep in Versace. so I understand that. but at some point, they have to realize they're wasting their time "keeping up" with what's hot out there by younger, newer acts. they have built a fanbase that is very loyal and they could keep selling to no matter what they WANT to do, and it rarely comes across that these attempts at hip, contemporary sounds and styles is what they really WANT to do at all.


Who the hell do you think "Make Me" was made for? confuse It sounds like disco house. eek

Why didn't those aging queens make it a hit? hmph!


Usually if you're performing for "aging queens", your only sure spot is the dance chart and she was number-one there with the song. If it was "younger queens", that shit would've been on the Hot 100 in a hot minute but it wasn't sadly lol
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Reply #67 posted 04/11/10 9:35am

Timmy84

lastdecember said:

I often dont get the "radio comments" on the forum, we all mostly agree that radio is shit, but then we see in the post that "Janet needs stronger material to get played" ??HUH?? So do a great song and it will get played because radio plays shit? does that make sense?

Janet is from a time when you could get played when you were 40 and over, shit the Rolling Stones and Aretha and Elton and Billy Joel were all proof of that and more in the 80's, and you could NOT have to be the same to get played, now you have to be the same as everyone to be played, diversity is gone, plain and simple, stop wanting to be a part of a "Time" where diversity is NOT accepted, and its not and hasnt been for a long time.


Midiscover is a big fan and he didn't say Janet need radio. It's just one person saying that really. confused

In fact why would legends even try? I doubt Janet would. And for someone who hasn't listened to radio in a good while, I'll be happy with an album, a GOOD one.
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Reply #68 posted 04/11/10 9:40am

Cinnie

VoicesCarry said:

ernestsewell said:

Discipline was a good album, but Island Def Jam dropped the ball with the next single. It definitely had more hits left on it.

Yes, Janet will have radio hits again. "Feedback" was all over the radio. "Nothing" is just a soundtrack song. I'm not taking it seriously.


Feedback was a radio flop - it didn't even make the Top 60 on Hot 100 Airplay, or go Top 20 on any of her core formats. That's disastrous for a lead single, especially one as good as Feedback was.

I'm not quite sure what it would take for Janet to score a significant radio hit again. Radio at the moment is the most ageist it's ever been - and as someone over 40, Janet isn't welcome, regardless of the quality of her material.

Her best bet for a radio hit is to focus her efforts on the format that is historically most likely to embrace her (Urban).


Those stats don't match my actual memory of "Feedback"'s radio play. I actually remember not really wanting to hear the song but it grew on me with radio play.

Did they not bust that song out in Ontario?
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Reply #69 posted 04/11/10 9:41am

Cinnie

Timmy84 said:

Cinnie said:



Who the hell do you think "Make Me" was made for? confuse It sounds like disco house. eek

Why didn't those aging queens make it a hit? hmph!


Usually if you're performing for "aging queens", your only sure spot is the dance chart and she was number-one there with the song. If it was "younger queens", that shit would've been on the Hot 100 in a hot minute but it wasn't sadly lol


IRL, to me it seemed like the younger queens liked "Feedback" or maybe they were just being nice neutral
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Reply #70 posted 04/11/10 9:51am

Timmy84

Cinnie said:

Timmy84 said:



Usually if you're performing for "aging queens", your only sure spot is the dance chart and she was number-one there with the song. If it was "younger queens", that shit would've been on the Hot 100 in a hot minute but it wasn't sadly lol


IRL, to me it seemed like the younger queens liked "Feedback" or maybe they were just being nice neutral


Probably a mixture of both. neutral I think its success ("Feedback") had to do with its sales on iTunes. shrug I know when I briefly had iTunes, I bought the hell out of that single with my gift card. lol
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Reply #71 posted 04/11/10 9:51am

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VoicesCarry said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Why Not? Mariah carey scored a hit with " We Belong Together" after 3 or 2 flops in row, If mariah did it, then Janet can do it, she needs a great record.


Mariah was 35 then.
[Edited 4/11/10 8:32am]


So what? Just because Janet is in her 40's doesn't mean that she cannot make a great record.

Fuck the Radios, They are full of shit...Not all of them but the majority lol

If she made a great record, they will be forced to play her because of the demand, she only needs a great record.
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Reply #72 posted 04/11/10 9:53am

Timmy84

Cinnie said:

VoicesCarry said:



Feedback was a radio flop - it didn't even make the Top 60 on Hot 100 Airplay, or go Top 20 on any of her core formats. That's disastrous for a lead single, especially one as good as Feedback was.

I'm not quite sure what it would take for Janet to score a significant radio hit again. Radio at the moment is the most ageist it's ever been - and as someone over 40, Janet isn't welcome, regardless of the quality of her material.

Her best bet for a radio hit is to focus her efforts on the format that is historically most likely to embrace her (Urban).


Those stats don't match my actual memory of "Feedback"'s radio play. I actually remember not really wanting to hear the song but it grew on me with radio play.

Did they not bust that song out in Ontario?


The song made it to #3 on the Canadian chart so yeah I can see why you tried escaping it. lol It did decently well for Janet in America too though even though its success was brief. I still call it a "hit".
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Reply #73 posted 04/11/10 10:29am

VoicesCarry

seeingvoices12 said:

VoicesCarry said:



Mariah was 35 then.
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So what? Just because Janet is in her 40's doesn't mean that she cannot make a great record.

Fuck the Radios, They are full of shit...Not all of them but the majority lol

If she made a great record, they will be forced to play her because of the demand, she only needs a great record.


My point had nothing to do with whether or not she can make a great record (I have already stated in this thread that Feedback was a great record).The point is, after 40, you are pretty much a non-entity at commercial radio. The Emancipation era was a great comeback for Mariah, but as we have already seen, she is having trouble securing airplay these days - and it will only become more and more difficult for her now that she's officially hit 40.

Janet could release the greatest thing she's ever done these days, and I would bet heavily in favour of it not cracking Top 40 on Hot 100 Airplay.
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Reply #74 posted 04/11/10 10:30am

VoicesCarry

Cinnie said:

VoicesCarry said:



Feedback was a radio flop - it didn't even make the Top 60 on Hot 100 Airplay, or go Top 20 on any of her core formats. That's disastrous for a lead single, especially one as good as Feedback was.

I'm not quite sure what it would take for Janet to score a significant radio hit again. Radio at the moment is the most ageist it's ever been - and as someone over 40, Janet isn't welcome, regardless of the quality of her material.

Her best bet for a radio hit is to focus her efforts on the format that is historically most likely to embrace her (Urban).


Those stats don't match my actual memory of "Feedback"'s radio play. I actually remember not really wanting to hear the song but it grew on me with radio play.

Did they not bust that song out in Ontario?


Your recollection is different because Feedback received a much warmer reception in Canada, in terms of both airplay and downloads.
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Reply #75 posted 04/11/10 10:34am

midiscover

VoicesCarry said:

midiscover said:



Yes, there was a huge disagreement between Janet and LA Reid because he wanted "Rock Wit U" as the 2nd single and Janet wanted "Luv". Of course, LA got his way and "Rock Wit U" became the 2nd single. It flopped. Then I think "Luv" was released right after but the album was pretty much dead by then. It didn't help that Kenneth Crear was her manager at the time too.

I think Janet could've worked something out.


They both "got their way" (if you can call it that) - Rock With U was sent for adds at Top 40 and Rhythmic while Luv was sent for adds at Urban and Urban A/C. Neither was a cross-format single. RWU was disastrous but Luv was doing reasonably well on both Urban and UAC but the lack of promotion after the album dropped killed its chances of actually doing anything.

Of the two, Luv was easily the best choice. But LA is known for his horrendous single choices.


Yea, I know
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Reply #76 posted 04/11/10 10:37am

seeingvoices12

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VoicesCarry said:

seeingvoices12 said:



So what? Just because Janet is in her 40's doesn't mean that she cannot make a great record.

Fuck the Radios, They are full of shit...Not all of them but the majority lol

If she made a great record, they will be forced to play her because of the demand, she only needs a great record.


My point had nothing to do with whether or not she can make a great record (I have already stated in this thread that Feedback was a great record).The point is, after 40, you are pretty much a non-entity at commercial radio. The Emancipation era was a great comeback for Mariah, but as we have already seen, she is having trouble securing airplay these days - and it will only become more and more difficult for her now that she's officially hit 40.

Janet could release the greatest thing she's ever done these days, and I would bet heavily in favour of it not cracking Top 40 on Hot 100 Airplay.
[Edited 4/11/10 10:32am]


Oh dude, They don't play their music because of their Age, That's So Sad.disbelief
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Reply #77 posted 04/11/10 10:39am

sleepyq

falloff

Hell no.

She's had one genuine radio hit in the last 8 years.

Her overseas career has been dead for even longer.

Commercially, she's over.

Bad decision making is what caused this. Even with flops, she could have been in a MUCH better place than this. sigh
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Reply #78 posted 04/11/10 10:40am

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sleepyq said:

falloff

Hell no.

She's had one genuine radio hit in the last 8 years.

Her overseas career has been dead for even longer.

Commercially, she's over.

Bad decision making is what caused this. Even with flops, she could have been in a MUCH better place than this. sigh

eek lol
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Reply #79 posted 04/11/10 10:42am

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There is a HUGE disconnect in this country more than any other over what "sells" albums as to what gets played on Radio. Now back in the day, you could have a band like say...the Cars with an album "Hearbeat City" now that album had 5 top 20 singles, but that album also sold 3 million and was a mainstay in the Top 10 for months. Now there are many other examples of this too especially from that time and even the 90's. But more now its a huge seperation, I mean Prince can debut at number one and you will never hear a song from that album, Bruce Springsteen can sell a million and never have a song on the radio. u2 can have a top10 album for months and yet not have a song crack the top 75. That is a huge disconnect that never was, and has become the NORM today, Today's artists are "download" stars, but joke on them, the only ones getting paid off that is the dudes in the suits, thats why the focus is to keep the singles repetitive, dumb, zombie like, this way alot of people get into it.

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Reply #80 posted 04/11/10 11:13am

Cinnie

lastdecember said:

I mean Prince can debut at number one and you will never hear a song from that album, Bruce Springsteen can sell a million and never have a song on the radio. u2 can have a top10 album for months and yet not have a song crack the top 75. That is a huge disconnect that never was, and has become the NORM today, Today's artists are "download" stars, but joke on them, the only ones getting paid off that is the dudes in the suits, thats why the focus is to keep the singles repetitive, dumb, zombie like, this way alot of people get into it.


damn, lastdec breakin' it down again smile

I resent that singles have to be "dumb". Happened to plain ol' simple. smile
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Reply #81 posted 04/11/10 11:14am

Timmy84

This is why I hardly get into "singles" anyway, well what they call "singles" either. I'm not a radio zombie, never really have been.
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Reply #82 posted 04/11/10 11:16am

Cinnie

VoicesCarry said:

Cinnie said:



Those stats don't match my actual memory of "Feedback"'s radio play. I actually remember not really wanting to hear the song but it grew on me with radio play.

Did they not bust that song out in Ontario?


Your recollection is different because Feedback received a much warmer reception in Canada, in terms of both airplay and downloads.

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Reply #83 posted 04/11/10 11:18am

midiscover

Does anyone know how much "Nothing" sold in downloads? I heard around 300,000 but I'm not sure.
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Reply #84 posted 04/11/10 11:18am

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Timmy84 said:

This is why I hardly get into "singles" anyway, well what they call "singles" either. I'm not a radio zombie, never really have been.

I like that

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Reply #85 posted 04/11/10 11:19am

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midiscover said:

Does anyone know how much "Nothing" sold in downloads? I heard around 300,000 but I'm not sure.

It didn't even enter the top 100 on itunes.

I'd say around 20k tops.
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Reply #86 posted 04/11/10 11:25am

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sleepyq said:

midiscover said:

Does anyone know how much "Nothing" sold in downloads? I heard around 300,000 but I'm not sure.

It didn't even enter the top 100 on itunes.

I'd say around 20k tops.


Lolz!

But I love her!
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Reply #87 posted 04/11/10 1:57pm

Cinnie

midiscover said:

sleepyq said:


It didn't even enter the top 100 on itunes.

I'd say around 20k tops.


Lolz!


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Reply #88 posted 04/11/10 2:37pm

NastradumasKid

My generation sux!!!! dead
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Reply #89 posted 04/11/10 3:08pm

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Timmy84 said:

This is why I hardly get into "singles" anyway, well what they call "singles" either. I'm not a radio zombie, never really have been.


But you see there is the huge thing. Everyone should ask themselves why Flo-rida can sell a zillion downloads and break records and yet the album collects dust in stores? Now the argument is always people dont want to "invest" money in the full thing, OK so rewind back to...say....WHAM, brand new group for the most part, puts out "wake me up" boom number one hit, and then a number one album and more hits and steady album sales to go with it. SO where are the people that argue any say there is just as much talent today as then.

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