independent and unofficial
Prince fan community
Welcome! Sign up or enter username and password to remember me
Forum jump
Forums > Music: Non-Prince > Erykah Badu's New Amerykah Part II (Return of the Ankh) -Thread 2
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Page 7 of 8 <12345678>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
Reply #180 posted 04/01/10 5:07pm

Alamine

paisleypark4 said:

Cinnie said:



I like Stones Throw. sad

Funny you mention that label because almost all of the producers are associated with it: Madlib, Karriem Riggins, J Dilla

She's so L.A. wit it right now.

I hear what you are saying but you're trying to keep her in a box.



I don't agree with the writers block moments because she has had alot of free jam type songs since she first came out, just like Maxwell.


She suffered from writers block. She said so herself, and it shows in her last three albums.

I feel she has at least branced out more than her peers in the genere. I do enjoy Pt. 1 of this set more so than the new album because of all the hidden themes elements and layers on top of layers to dissect.

Branched out more does not make something good. prince branched out into hip hop, how was that? Pt1 is somewhat better, I do agree. The album would have served better as a double album release.


She LIKE ME has said in the album she lives inside of her mind and that's where alot of her anxiety comes from..that hit the nail on the head and I GET her...you may not be someone like that however those are the types of people that have too much to say and don't express it often or enough; so when I hear these albums and people calling her self indulgant or "fake-real" I understand where THEY are coming from however because I just about have the same ideals in personality I understand hers too.

Sure like alot of neo-soul artist they have alot they want to express, but the lack the musical skill sets to do so. See badu the last three albums, Dangelo 1000 deaths, Maxwell's latest album. O

This indeed is not her best in my opinion..Im still going with Pt. 1 as my favortie album; however I dont believe this one should be overlooked..its just not easily accessible...and was Erykah ever easily accessible? Really?


It has nothing to do with being accessible.



People have forgotten how to compose songs, make grooves, make melodies and tell stories.



But we get instead phony political bravado such as badu's who just read a book on groupthink last week. LOL






Instead songs are dressed up with distractions, and all of a sudden they are out the box. What's out the box is composing a song with a melody and a groove.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #181 posted 04/01/10 5:31pm

2elijah

This is the video with Erykah stripping in the video (Nudity is blotted out to a certain degree, so okay to watch)


[Edited 4/1/10 17:32pm]
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #182 posted 04/01/10 5:46pm

Bkeeper

avatar

P2daP said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Somewhere there must be an uncut video..lol What a bump.



For real in this cell phone camera age how it is that when Erykah Badu walks naked down the streets of Dallas and NOBODY takes a picture. NOBODY!! The fuck Dallas? The fuck? You dropped the ball. New York, Los Angeles they be on top of it. For shame big d for shame.... lol

one take, sure. no actors/extras, i doubt it. i know her camp is saying this was guerilla style with no extras or actors but i don't buy it. when she takes off her clothes, nobody is even looking at her. they're acting like they don't see anything out of the ordinary, lol. add no leaked naked images from a phone or camera and i think its obvious this was arranged.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #183 posted 04/01/10 5:48pm

purplepolitici
an

avatar

Graycap23 said:

PricelessHo said:


That was a funny interview.

yeah horny
For all time I am with you, you are with me.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #184 posted 04/01/10 5:49pm

purplepolitici
an

avatar

they reversed the video now? stoned what the fuck kinda shit is that lol. people are pissed nuts
For all time I am with you, you are with me.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #185 posted 04/01/10 5:50pm

Alamine

Bkeeper said:

P2daP said:




For real in this cell phone camera age how it is that when Erykah Badu walks naked down the streets of Dallas and NOBODY takes a picture. NOBODY!! The fuck Dallas? The fuck? You dropped the ball. New York, Los Angeles they be on top of it. For shame big d for shame.... lol

one take, sure. no actors/extras, i doubt it. i know her camp is saying this was guerilla style with no extras or actors but i don't buy it. when she takes off her clothes, nobody is even looking at her. they're acting like they don't see anything out of the ordinary, lol. add no leaked naked images from a phone or camera and i think its obvious this was arranged.


It took 2 minutes
It was in Dallas, and no one cares
there are people looking
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #186 posted 04/01/10 8:13pm

paisleypark4

avatar

Alamine said:

paisleypark4 said:




I don't agree with the writers block moments because she has had alot of free jam type songs since she first came out, just like Maxwell.


She suffered from writers block. She said so herself, and it shows in her last three albums.

I feel she has at least branced out more than her peers in the genere. I do enjoy Pt. 1 of this set more so than the new album because of all the hidden themes elements and layers on top of layers to dissect.

Branched out more does not make something good. prince branched out into hip hop, how was that? Pt1 is somewhat better, I do agree. The album would have served better as a double album release.


She LIKE ME has said in the album she lives inside of her mind and that's where alot of her anxiety comes from..that hit the nail on the head and I GET her...you may not be someone like that however those are the types of people that have too much to say and don't express it often or enough; so when I hear these albums and people calling her self indulgant or "fake-real" I understand where THEY are coming from however because I just about have the same ideals in personality I understand hers too.

Sure like alot of neo-soul artist they have alot they want to express, but the lack the musical skill sets to do so. See badu the last three albums, Dangelo 1000 deaths, Maxwell's latest album. O

This indeed is not her best in my opinion..Im still going with Pt. 1 as my favortie album; however I dont believe this one should be overlooked..its just not easily accessible...and was Erykah ever easily accessible? Really?


It has nothing to do with being accessible.



People have forgotten how to compose songs, make grooves, make melodies and tell stories.



But we get instead phony political bravado such as badu's who just read a book on groupthink last week. LOL






Instead songs are dressed up with distractions, and all of a sudden they are out the box. What's out the box is composing a song with a melody and a groove.



If the mainstream is all you listen to however I found that in ALL areas of music there are plenty of un melodic tunes in every genre of music. I just believe that in the top 50 songs of todays era there is a little less; however there are plenty of melodic songs in my opinion out in the mainstrem and underground. Im not sure if Erykahs vision WAS to compose a straight melody or contructed song; and that is what I believe most fans who has been following her kind of expects...smooth grooves and mellow moods from Ms. Badu. She actually sounds happy on this record in my opinion.
Straight Jacket Funk Affair
Album plays and love for vinyl records.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #187 posted 04/01/10 8:30pm

Alamine

paisleypark4 said:

Alamine said:



It has nothing to do with being accessible.



People have forgotten how to compose songs, make grooves, make melodies and tell stories.



But we get instead phony political bravado such as badu's who just read a book on groupthink last week. LOL






Instead songs are dressed up with distractions, and all of a sudden they are out the box. What's out the box is composing a song with a melody and a groove.



If the mainstream is all you listen to however I found that in ALL areas of music there are plenty of un melodic tunes in every genre of music. I just believe that in the top 50 songs of todays era there is a little less; however there are plenty of melodic songs in my opinion out in the mainstrem and underground. Im not sure if Erykahs vision WAS to compose a straight melody or contructed song; and that is what I believe most fans who has been following her kind of expects...smooth grooves and mellow moods from Ms. Badu. She actually sounds happy on this record in my opinion.




She sounds phony, contrived and forced. She sounds as dumb as she looks in the video with a ton of half baked ideas and themes. The album is not that good at what it is trying to do as an album. Windowseat is a hot song, but her music is being overshadowed by her attention whoring.

No one cared about Badu until she made a dumb selfish video and disgraced herself, her music, her community, other "progressive artist" and tried to hide behind some shit she pulled off the internet three weeks ago about groupthink.

As far as the video, what do you expect from a person that got two baby daddies, and trys to hide that behind some neo soul bullshit.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #188 posted 04/02/10 7:42am

Harlepolis

Telephone condradicts the "writers block" allegations big time.

Anyway, I prefer this over Pt.1(which truly sounded all over the place - even though I still love it).

Long story short,,,,,Ms.Wright is cut out for the LONG songs love

Green Eyes(Mama's Gun)
I Want You(Worldwide Underground)
Out My Mind Just In Time(From this album)
:wub:

And Incense is my MOST played song right now music The last time I heard somebody use harp in R&B music was Lauryn Hill and that was in Miseducation. I really need to hear more of it among R&B singers.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #189 posted 04/02/10 7:48am

paisleypark4

avatar

Alamine said:

paisleypark4 said:




If the mainstream is all you listen to however I found that in ALL areas of music there are plenty of un melodic tunes in every genre of music. I just believe that in the top 50 songs of todays era there is a little less; however there are plenty of melodic songs in my opinion out in the mainstrem and underground. Im not sure if Erykahs vision WAS to compose a straight melody or contructed song; and that is what I believe most fans who has been following her kind of expects...smooth grooves and mellow moods from Ms. Badu. She actually sounds happy on this record in my opinion.




She sounds phony, contrived and forced. She sounds as dumb as she looks in the video with a ton of half baked ideas and themes. The album is not that good at what it is trying to do as an album. Windowseat is a hot song, but her music is being overshadowed by her attention whoring.

No one cared about Badu until she made a dumb selfish video and disgraced herself, her music, her community, other "progressive artist" and tried to hide behind some shit she pulled off the internet three weeks ago about groupthink.

As far as the video, what do you expect from a person that got two baby daddies, and trys to hide that behind some neo soul bullshit.


While agree that I believe she did it for the attention; the video itself for what it is still is one of the best of the year so far I admit. Very suprising. And she got what she wanted; everybody talking about her now. I do not believe she has "disgraced" herself because she has been much more experimental than her former neo soul crowd and their bland r&b creations. Saying nothing; albums with no theme or stories to tell.

She herself has discarded herself from being called "neo soul" on the cover of her own album Worldwie Underground.
Straight Jacket Funk Affair
Album plays and love for vinyl records.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #190 posted 04/02/10 7:51am

JackieBlue

avatar

paisleypark4 said:

Alamine said:





She sounds phony, contrived and forced. She sounds as dumb as she looks in the video with a ton of half baked ideas and themes. The album is not that good at what it is trying to do as an album. Windowseat is a hot song, but her music is being overshadowed by her attention whoring.

No one cared about Badu until she made a dumb selfish video and disgraced herself, her music, her community, other "progressive artist" and tried to hide behind some shit she pulled off the internet three weeks ago about groupthink.

As far as the video, what do you expect from a person that got two baby daddies, and trys to hide that behind some neo soul bullshit.


While agree that I believe she did it for the attention; the video itself for what it is still is one of the best of the year so far I admit. Very suprising. And she got what she wanted; everybody talking about her now. I do not believe she has "disgraced" herself because she has been much more experimental than her former neo soul crowd and their bland r&b creations. Saying nothing; albums with no theme or stories to tell.

She herself has discarded herself from being called "neo soul" on the cover of her own album Worldwie Underground.


Thank you.
Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #191 posted 04/02/10 7:58am

Linn4days

"Step-on stage.. butt-naked, To make-up for what you can't do on record!"

lol lol lol



..Well.. she sure takes the heat-off of Gaga..

but she was supposed to..

I figured that one of the 2 major music-distributors would green-light a black woman to be completely nude first in a music video (to take all of the heat).

The Execs and CEOs of The Distributor all the way down to her label saw this video.. She smuggled nothing to the web, or to TV without them seeing because they paid her advance-$ to produce the CD and videos.


She broke the "nude barrier", so Gaga and others can go fully nude in videos..without being the first to blame.


When will they learn? Shocking people with nudity and sex is done, and won't actually make the youth pay for CDs or downloads without copying. (unfortunately) 13 year olds are "sexting" nude photos (because their parents are lazy and immoral too).

Use the "Torah" in your music to make "better people" who don't steal, and stop "price-gouging" the CDs like in the 1990s.


It's not an artistic statement.


YHWH is Elohim and Yahoshua is King
[Edited 4/2/10 8:02am]
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #192 posted 04/02/10 9:06am

sosgemini

avatar

I just spoooged all over my puter. sonic bliss. sigh
Space for sale...
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #193 posted 04/02/10 9:27am

sosgemini

avatar

Aight, I do have one beef. How dare Ms. Badu steal my sure fire party starter, "You Can't Turn Me Away" by Sylvia Striplin. That's the song that when played at a party would always separate the hipsters from the posers. And now, and now everyone will think it's a Badu cut. confused

And then she got the nerve to put her name first on the songwriting credits. no no no! She copies anything and everything from Sylvia's delivery, the originals arrangement...Sure there are a couple new adlips here and there but nothing that warrants Badu to receive songwriting credit (let alone first placement). sigh

rant ova.
Space for sale...
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #194 posted 04/02/10 9:43am

Harlepolis

sosgemini said:

Aight, I do have one beef. How dare Ms. Badu steal my sure fire party starter, "You Can't Turn Me Away" by Sylvia Striplin. That's the song that when played at a party would always separate the hipsters from the posers. And now, and now everyone will think it's a Badu cut. confused

And then she got the nerve to put her name first on the songwriting credits. no no no! She copies anything and everything from Sylvia's delivery, the originals arrangement...Sure there are a couple new adlips here and there but nothing that warrants Badu to receive songwriting credit (let alone first placement). sigh

rant ova.


As much as I ADORE Ms.Wright, and as much as I secretly hoped that she would cover that song(If she added something to Atlantic Starr's song, I thought she would do this justice), it really didn't need any modification, it was perfect the way it was. But then again, I thought it was part of the Roy Ayers theme she kept on 'Amerykahn'. The previous was RAMP, and the present is Sylvia Striplin.

I still like the Get Munny song though,,,but now that my curiosity is over, I can go back and enjoy to the original.
[Edited 4/2/10 9:45am]
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #195 posted 04/02/10 12:03pm

paisleypark4

avatar

Harlepolis said:

sosgemini said:

Aight, I do have one beef. How dare Ms. Badu steal my sure fire party starter, "You Can't Turn Me Away" by Sylvia Striplin. That's the song that when played at a party would always separate the hipsters from the posers. And now, and now everyone will think it's a Badu cut. confused

And then she got the nerve to put her name first on the songwriting credits. no no no! She copies anything and everything from Sylvia's delivery, the originals arrangement...Sure there are a couple new adlips here and there but nothing that warrants Badu to receive songwriting credit (let alone first placement). sigh

rant ova.


As much as I ADORE Ms.Wright, and as much as I secretly hoped that she would cover that song(If she added something to Atlantic Starr's song, I thought she would do this justice), it really didn't need any modification, it was perfect the way it was. But then again, I thought it was part of the Roy Ayers theme she kept on 'Amerykahn'. The previous was RAMP, and the present is Sylvia Striplin.

I still like the Get Munny song though,,,but now that my curiosity is over, I can go back and enjoy to the original.
[Edited 4/2/10 9:45am]



To be frank..I like Erykahs version better she sounds more in the zone happy and free to be honest. Plus it doesnt sound so muddled and low ...the music is more live and features more thump.

And everybody will know from Biggies "Get Money" that Erykah's is not the original obviously.
Straight Jacket Funk Affair
Album plays and love for vinyl records.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #196 posted 04/02/10 12:38pm

MidniteMagnet

avatar

I love Erykah to death, but I was kinda annoyed at that sample too. There are other Sylvia Striplin songs...why do people always sample the same shit? Same with the Intimate Friends sample...it's been done to death! You'd think it was the only song Eddie Kendricks ever recorded.

If she really wanted to did deep with her Roy Ayers samples, she could have used Ethel Beatty's "I Know You Care" or "It's Your Love."

http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related

http://www.youtube.com/wa...7MPbK9EEVs love love
[Edited 4/2/10 12:42pm]
"Keep in mind that I'm an artist...and I'm sensitive about my shit."--E. Badu
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #197 posted 04/02/10 1:25pm

Harlepolis

MidniteMagnet said:

I love Erykah to death, but I was kinda annoyed at that sample too. There are other Sylvia Striplin songs...why do people always sample the same shit? Same with the Intimate Friends sample...it's been done to death! You'd think it was the only song Eddie Kendricks ever recorded.

If she really wanted to did deep with her Roy Ayers samples, she could have used Ethel Beatty's "I Know You Care" or "It's Your Love."

http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related

http://www.youtube.com/wa...7MPbK9EEVs love love
[Edited 4/2/10 12:42pm]


DAMN eek

I have the nerve to act like I'm a Roy Ayers purist disbelief I don't think I ever heard of this singer, matter o' fact, I don't think I'm that much fimiliar with his side projects other than Ramp, Sylvia and Eighties Ladies.

That so great btw, whats the title of Ethel's album title?
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #198 posted 04/02/10 3:50pm

AshK

Alamine said:


She sounds phony, contrived and forced. She sounds as dumb as she looks in the video with a ton of half baked ideas and themes. The album is not that good at what it is trying to do as an album. Windowseat is a hot song, but her music is being overshadowed by her attention whoring.

No one cared about Badu until she made a dumb selfish video and disgraced herself, her music, her community, other "progressive artist" and tried to hide behind some shit she pulled off the internet three weeks ago about groupthink.

As far as the video, what do you expect from a person that got two baby daddies, and trys to hide that behind some neo soul bullshit.


Art is subjective, if what she does fails to resonate with you then move on, each to their own, etc hope you find it elsewhere. But there's a big difference between criticising the art and criticising the artist; the latter is just unnecessary.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #199 posted 04/02/10 3:53pm

AshK

purplepolitician said:

Graycap23 said:


That was a funny interview.

yeah horny


I wish she would do more TV interviews, nice to see she doesn't take herself too seriously, shame others can't do the same lol
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #200 posted 04/02/10 3:56pm

AshK

Damn she got charged! She tweeted this a few minutes ago

"fatbellybella charged on good friday .....return of the ankh"
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #201 posted 04/02/10 4:51pm

Bree8016

avatar

Erykah Badu to be charged w/ disorderly conduct. disbelief

http://www.dallasnews.com...68e58.html
How can I stand 2 stay where I am? / Poor butterfly who don't understand.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #202 posted 04/02/10 5:04pm

sosgemini

avatar

AshK said:

Damn she got charged! She tweeted this a few minutes ago

"fatbellybella charged on good friday .....return of the ankh"


The fine: $500.

The publicity: Priceless.


I've given her the benefit of the doubt but her flippant response makes me think she is enjoying all the attention. Honeybella, don't let the publicity get to yo head. Yo original intent was well meaning but like all good things, the darkside can turn your force of good into evil.
Space for sale...
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #203 posted 04/02/10 5:10pm

Harlepolis

I wonder, did the strong feelings in this thread were equally targeted at this woman when she released this video..


Or did Erykah get the exclusive treatment just because the media decided to selectively bully somebody?

With that said, I still love the Window Seat video.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #204 posted 04/02/10 5:20pm

sosgemini

avatar

Harlepolis said:



Or did Erykah get the exclusive treatment just because the media decided to selectively bully somebody?


She got naked, without a permit, in front of a nationally treasured historical site *and* simulated assassination similar to the way one of the most beloved american presidents was. you didn't expect this result?
Space for sale...
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #205 posted 04/02/10 5:23pm

deebee

avatar

I've not really been following the backlash. Can anyone point me to some of the main commentaries/clips that have been critical?
"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #206 posted 04/02/10 5:31pm

119

Harlepolis said:

I wonder, did the strong feelings in this thread were equally targeted at this woman when she released this video..


Or did Erykah get the exclusive treatment just because the media decided to selectively bully somebody?

With that said, I still love the Window Seat video.


Wasnt Alanis video was a video shoot on a closed set, as opposed to a renegade shoot in front of a national landmark?
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #207 posted 04/02/10 5:31pm

Harlepolis

sosgemini said:

Harlepolis said:



Or did Erykah get the exclusive treatment just because the media decided to selectively bully somebody?


She got naked, without a permit, in front of a nationally treasured historical site *and* simulated assassination similar to the way one of the most beloved american presidents was. you didn't expect this result?


No shrug

But if she did expect(and I think she did), she def hit the jackpot. One thing for damn sure, this whole brouhaha just proves to me(again) of how the American public is such an easily offended bunch.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #208 posted 04/02/10 5:34pm

Harlepolis

119 said:

Harlepolis said:

I wonder, did the strong feelings in this thread were equally targeted at this woman when she released this video..


Or did Erykah get the exclusive treatment just because the media decided to selectively bully somebody?

With that said, I still love the Window Seat video.


Wasnt Alanis video was a video shoot on a closed set, as opposed to a renegade shoot in front of a national landmark?


Be that as it may, did she get hammered with the "publicity stunt" speech for doing a nude video(regardless of the location)?
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #209 posted 04/02/10 5:38pm

sosgemini

avatar

Harle, girl, don't act all Janet Stan on us.


lol razz lol
Space for sale...
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Page 7 of 8 <12345678>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > Music: Non-Prince > Erykah Badu's New Amerykah Part II (Return of the Ankh) -Thread 2