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Printablevainandy said: I don't understand any of that shit y'all are talking about.
All I know is, I don't want to listen to my music on a computer, I want it thumping from a stereo loud enough to disturb the neighbors. Hell, I like to feel my music vibrating up underneath me till by big toe shoots up in my boot.
Yeah, I've got plenty of songs in the computer, both downloaded and scanned into the computer by CDs, but I can always burn them onto CDs and play them on the stereo (which is where they are supposed to be played) at any time. Life would be miserable if the only way you could listen to music is through some little computer speakers. PREACH!"we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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vainandy said: It trips me out how people are satisfied with "little things" these days. I see all these kids walking around listening to those little ipods with the headphones and music all in their cell phones and things. Many of them don't even own a stereo these days, just strictly those little small devices. I guess if they throw a party, everyone will gather around the headphones. Hell, I didn't even like Walkman radios back in the day. And when they made the jam boxes of the late 80s much smaller than the ones of the early 80s, the media raved about how with newer technology, they were able to make things smaller. Well yeah, but the damn things weren't near as loud as the huge ones and didn't have the power in them either. Hell, I'm gay so size matters. I want something big with some power that's gonna throb. well i love having an ipod...it's time for me to upgrade from my nano to touch but when i get a place i want a booming stereo system so i can not only hear the music but feel it. [Edited 12/7/09 17:42pm] "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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Timmy84 said: vainandy said: I don't understand any of that shit y'all are talking about.
All I know is, I don't want to listen to my music on a computer, I want it thumping from a stereo loud enough to disturb the neighbors. Hell, I like to feel my music vibrating up underneath me till by big toe shoots up in my boot.
Yeah, I've got plenty of songs in the computer, both downloaded and scanned into the computer by CDs, but I can always burn them onto CDs and play them on the stereo (which is where they are supposed to be played) at any time. Life would be miserable if the only way you could listen to music is through some little computer speakers. Tell me about it. I feel you too! I don't even own an MP3 device of any kind. | |
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Militant said: You know these days people do have big ass stereo systems hooked up to their computers playing uncompressed high quality audio right?
You can even have wireless speakers and use your phone as the remote control. Having a good sound setup has nothing to do with the storage medium. Exactly!! With the system I have hooked up to my pc, I can disturb the peace with the best of 'em!  I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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Fuck that, I want my system so loud the cops will be knocking! Y'all playing too safe.  | |
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Militant said: You know these days people do have big ass stereo systems hooked up to their computers playing uncompressed high quality audio right?
You can even have wireless speakers and use your phone as the remote control. Having a good sound setup has nothing to do with the storage medium. Oh, I've got my computer plugged into the back of my stereo so it will thump through the stereo when I'm listening to songs played on the shuffle feature. But there's nothing like having the physical vinyl or CD because if you only have songs in the computer, when that computer dies, all your music is gone. Hell, I don't even have room to put up my Christmas tree this year because the computer is sitting where it used to sit so it can be close enough for the cord to reach the stereo. I had to go buy me a little three foot tree to put on the coffee table. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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There will come a day in the not-to-distant future where every single thing ever recorded can be accessed instantly for a small fee (so long as you can gain access to the Internet). And I think that’ll probably be very appealing to millions of people. Well, if that day ever comes, I'll just be up the shit creek unless the price of the internet goes down. If my neighbor moves or whoever it is nearby that has a router that I'm bleeding off with this laptop, I just won't have internet unless it's dial-up because that's all I can afford. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Timmy84 said: Fuck that, I want my system so loud the cops will be knocking! Y'all playing too safe. My previous neighbors used to get on my last nerve. I used to call them the "Black Brady Bunch". Everytime I would turn around, they were knocking on my door threatening to call the police if I didn't turn the music down. I guess they didn't like funk. Must've been Shitney Houston fans. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: My previous neighbors used to get on my last nerve. I used to call them the "Black Brady Bunch". Everytime I would turn around, they were knocking on my door threatening to call the police if I didn't turn the music down. I guess they didn't like funk. Must've been Shitney Houston fans. | |
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Brendan said: There will come a day in the not-to-distant future where every single thing ever recorded can be accessed instantly for a small fee (so long as you can gain access to the Internet). And I think that’ll probably be very appealing to millions of people.
It could've been here now. Todd Rundgren was someone proposing this type of system back in the 90s. An excerpt from his testimony before the Senate in 2006... One of the first cutting edge projects I was involved in concerned digital rights management, a concept that did not yet exist. I was hired by, ironically enough, the Warner Full Service Network, an interactive television pilot project that sought to merge video, computers and high-bandwidth home delivery. The plan was to create on-demand music services that could be navigated on one's home TV -- kind of like an iTunes for the early '90s. When it came time to plug the music in, everything I had suspected about the savvyness of the industry was crystallized. To a label, every one of the majors refused to consider the possibility of putting music they controlled onto a server. Ironically, even the music division of Warner Brothers would not cooperate, even though this was only a demonstration project. Ever since then, the behavior of the majors has been that of a mindless parasite, contributing nothing, yet trying to get it's snout into the bloodstream of any new development. The knee-jerk justification is "protection of artists", which would more accurately be represented as the interests of highly bankable artists still under contract. For every one of those, there are a hundred with a lifelong bad taste in their mouths over the way they were treated when sales began to lag. I have striven to tie together the "replacement parts" an independent musician would need to build enough audience for a sustainable living. Amongst these is, of course, the internet and a raft of contractors who can press and distribute discs for you and, if you can afford it, take on the promotion and marketing normally provided by a label. The only problem is getting heard. Terrestrial radio, especially of the syndicated flavor, is not available to most artists even if they do have a traditional label deal. Transcript here: http://trconnection.com/t...eaking.art =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Video archive here: http://judiciary.senate.g...=1&id=1853 Todd's initial comments above start around the 18:00 minute mark. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= But I want to own my music. I listen to music far too much for this to not ultimately be dramatically more expensive, even if some of my least-appreciated music would in fact be cheaper to rent when the mood strikes.
For music you already own and if you're not computer savvy enough to set up your own, there are "music server" systems available. As an example, for about $1500... 
...one could get something like the Olive Opus No.4. The Opus I received for review had 500 GB of memory, which is sufficient for most households. Such a system can hold approximately 812 CDs in WAV format, 1,433 in FLAC and 8,957 in respective MP3 and AAC formats at 128 kbit/s. Currently, the Opus 4 is offered with either a 500 GB, 1 TB or 2 TB drive. Even a music junkie would have a task to fill the 2 TB, holding some 5,778 CDs in FLAC format. But it would be fun to try! http://www.avrev.com/home...erver.html This would be easy to integrate into an existing home stereo. Music for adventurous listeners tA  Tribal Records"Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all." | |
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Things like this should stay experimental. The corporate world always try to make profit off anything trying to take something out of style all the time, most of the time it don't work anyway. | |
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theAudience said: Brendan said: There will come a day in the not-to-distant future where every single thing ever recorded can be accessed instantly for a small fee (so long as you can gain access to the Internet). And I think that’ll probably be very appealing to millions of people.
It could've been here now. Todd Rundgren was someone proposing this type of system back in the 90s. An excerpt from his testimony before the Senate in 2006... One of the first cutting edge projects I was involved in concerned digital rights management, a concept that did not yet exist. I was hired by, ironically enough, the Warner Full Service Network, an interactive television pilot project that sought to merge video, computers and high-bandwidth home delivery. The plan was to create on-demand music services that could be navigated on one's home TV -- kind of like an iTunes for the early '90s. When it came time to plug the music in, everything I had suspected about the savvyness of the industry was crystallized. To a label, every one of the majors refused to consider the possibility of putting music they controlled onto a server. Ironically, even the music division of Warner Brothers would not cooperate, even though this was only a demonstration project. Ever since then, the behavior of the majors has been that of a mindless parasite, contributing nothing, yet trying to get it's snout into the bloodstream of any new development. The knee-jerk justification is "protection of artists", which would more accurately be represented as the interests of highly bankable artists still under contract. For every one of those, there are a hundred with a lifelong bad taste in their mouths over the way they were treated when sales began to lag. I have striven to tie together the "replacement parts" an independent musician would need to build enough audience for a sustainable living. Amongst these is, of course, the internet and a raft of contractors who can press and distribute discs for you and, if you can afford it, take on the promotion and marketing normally provided by a label. The only problem is getting heard. Terrestrial radio, especially of the syndicated flavor, is not available to most artists even if they do have a traditional label deal. Transcript here: http://trconnection.com/t...eaking.art =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Video archive here: http://judiciary.senate.g...=1&id=1853 Todd's initial comments above start around the 18:00 minute mark. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Yeah, that’s well said. Technology is not holding us back here, it’s clearly corporate greed and their decade’s old worry about every new technology being used to steal away most or all of their business. Renting music doesn’t appeal to me much, outside of some sneak previews. But I’m sure it’ll fit the bill for many. But I want to own my music. I listen to music far too much for this to not ultimately be dramatically more expensive, even if some of my least-appreciated music would in fact be cheaper to rent when the mood strikes.
theAudience said: For music you already own and if you're not computer savvy enough to set up your own, there are "music server" systems available.
As an example, for about $1500...
...one could get something like the Olive Opus No.4. The Opus I received for review had 500 GB of memory, which is sufficient for most households. Such a system can hold approximately 812 CDs in WAV format, 1,433 in FLAC and 8,957 in respective MP3 and AAC formats at 128 kbit/s. Currently, the Opus 4 is offered with either a 500 GB, 1 TB or 2 TB drive. Even a music junkie would have a task to fill the 2 TB, holding some 5,778 CDs in FLAC format. But it would be fun to try! http://www.avrev.com/home...erver.html This would be easy to integrate into an existing home stereo. Yep. You always leave such great tools out there for people to explore. There is a lot of stuff out there now or emerging. There are technologies that will put your albums on the showroom floor right on your TV, allowing you to flip through them like a Jukebox. And if your television is large enough the album artwork will be bigger than an vinyl LP. Who says album artwork isn’t important anymore? Well, unfortunately the people wearing the iPod like some type of fashion statement. | |
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vainandy said: Brendan said:
There will come a day in the not-to-distant future where every single thing ever recorded can be accessed instantly for a small fee (so long as you can gain access to the Internet). And I think that’ll probably be very appealing to millions of people. Well, if that day ever comes, I'll just be up the shit creek unless the price of the internet goes down. If my neighbor moves or whoever it is nearby that has a router that I'm bleeding off with this laptop, I just won't have internet unless it's dial-up because that's all I can afford. No, I’ve seen all the music you’ve posted. You’ll be paddling down river while others are up shit creek. The Internet will never be the only way to obtain music, even if this streaming stuff eventually goes mainstream. And you don’t strike me as someone who’ll give a damn if your not swimming in the same direction as the mainstream.  | |
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vainandy said: Oh, I've got my computer plugged into the back of my stereo so it will thump through the stereo when I'm listening to songs played on the shuffle feature. But there's nothing like having the physical vinyl or CD because if you only have songs in the computer, when that computer dies, all your music is gone. You’re absolutely right. And this will happen to millions of people, only because they don’t backup their music collections. Backing up virtually assures one against anything but some natural catastrophes, such as fire. But a fire will also destroy one’s physical music collection, not to mention everything else they keep in their home. After grabbing the most important valuables, some probably should grab the external hard drive if the fire alarm is sounding. | |
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Brendan said: Well, unfortunately the people wearing the iPod like some type of fashion statement.
I give you... ...the iBangle Btw, that Opus No.4 also has internet radio capabilities.  It'll also record them. 
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theAudience said: Brendan said: Well, unfortunately the people wearing the iPod like some type of fashion statement.
I give you... ...the iBangle Very nice.
theAudience said: Btw, that Opus No.4 also has internet radio capabilities.
It'll also record them. How dare you, sir?! | |
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Brendan said: How dare you, sir?! You're right, i'm so ashamed. 
I'm sentencing myself to semi-solitary confinement until tomorrow. 
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I have no problem with not having a physical copy, and the cd format will no be missed when it finally goes away.
I have "lost" a hell of a lot more cd's than mp3's. just leaving them inside the car, too many cd's have just warped. touching them in the wrong way seems to mess them up, or dust getting on them. I have no love for the cd or dvd format. I love flash drives, and keep the stuff i care about on them instead of my computer. Don't even get me started on cassettes. My old vinyl collection, like books i love for too many reasons. [Edited 12/8/09 7:19am] | |
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As far as what Andy said about computers dying - I keep ALL my data on an external drive so if the computer died it wouldn't matter.
Right now we're at a good point. We're about to see the launch of USB 3.0. That means files will be able to be transferred 10x faster than is currently possible over USB 2.0. People will be able to transfer vast digital music libraries in a matter of a few minutes. Also, hard drive costs are going down. In 2 years or so from now, you'll be able to get 5TB (5,000 GB) drives for $100-$200, and it'll be very easy to configure automatic backups of all your data to other drives. With that amount or storage, and those fast file transfer speeds, there's no reason for anyone to ever lose any data. |
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Another thing is that we are moving into the SSD (Solid State Drive) era.
These new hard drives, as the name suggests, have no moving parts, and thus are much more stable than traditional hard drives where you risk the degeneration of the constantly rotating moving parts inside them. |
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Militant said: As far as what Andy said about computers dying - I keep ALL my data on an external drive so if the computer died it wouldn't matter.
Right now we're at a good point. We're about to see the launch of USB 3.0. That means files will be able to be transferred 10x faster than is currently possible over USB 2.0. People will be able to transfer vast digital music libraries in a matter of a few minutes. . That is what Firewire is 4..... | |
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Militant said: Another thing is that we are moving into the SSD (Solid State Drive) era.
These new hard drives, as the name suggests, have no moving parts, and thus are much more stable than traditional hard drives where you risk the degeneration of the constantly rotating moving parts inside them. That technology is already in use on a smaller scale (CF/SD cards, USB flash drives). However, SSD in its current state may not be the savior some think. Not only are they presently more expensive than an equivalent HDD, certain reliability issues are popping up. A basic article on this subject by John Dvorak: http://www.pcmag.com/arti...918,00.asp Music for adventurous listeners tA Tribal Records"Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all." | |
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Graycap23 said: That is what Firewire is 4..... Most people don't have Firewire. Even some of the latest Macs don't have it anymore, it'll be a dead technology in a couple of years. Besides which, while Firewire is faster than USB 2.0.....USB 3.0 is wayyyyy faster than both of them. theAudience, I'll be sure to check out that article. I know that we've been using SSD in flash drives and the like for a while, but I was talking about bigger storage. |
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Militant said: theAudience, I'll be sure to check out that article.
I know that we've been using SSD in flash drives and the like for a while, but I was talking about bigger storage. So am I.
You'll see when you read the article. Music for adventurous listeners tA Tribal Records"Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all." | |
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Militant said: As far as what Andy said about computers dying - I keep ALL my data on an external drive so if the computer died it wouldn't matter.
Right now we're at a good point. We're about to see the launch of USB 3.0. That means files will be able to be transferred 10x faster than is currently possible over USB 2.0. People will be able to transfer vast digital music libraries in a matter of a few minutes. Also, hard drive costs are going down. In 2 years or so from now, you'll be able to get 5TB (5,000 GB) drives for $100-$200, and it'll be very easy to configure automatic backups of all your data to other drives. With that amount or storage, and those fast file transfer speeds, there's no reason for anyone to ever lose any data. But the only problem is, a lot of us don't know what all that stuff is or how to use it. We don't know about the USB's, 5TB's, UFO's, FBI's, IRS's, etc. And once prices finally go down to where we can afford them and learn how to use them, they they go and switch up to something else. I'm fine with other formats being invented but they don't need to be phasing out older formats whenever new formats come out.Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: But the only problem is, a lot of us don't know what all that stuff is or how to use it. We don't know about the USB's, 5TB's, UFO's, FBI's, IRS's, etc. And once prices finally go down to where we can afford them and learn how to use them, they they go and switch up to something else. I'm fine with other formats being invented but they don't need to be phasing out older formats whenever new formats come out.Ah, you know that's just how the world works Andy. lol. |
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Militant said: Graycap23 said: That is what Firewire is 4..... Most people don't have Firewire. Even some of the latest Macs don't have it anymore, it'll be a dead technology in a couple of years. Besides which, while Firewire is faster than USB 2.0.....USB 3.0 is wayyyyy faster than both of them. theAudience, I'll be sure to check out that article. I know that we've been using SSD in flash drives and the like for a while, but I was talking about bigger storage. Firewire 800 is on it's way out? I did not know that. | |
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Firewire as a format is getting eaten alive by USB in terms of market share, but it's presence in the market right NOW stays because it is faster than USB2.0.
However USB 3.0 is going to change all that, and all evidence (including manufacturers like Apple removing Firewire ports from their new machines) is pointing towards a decline. |
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Militant said: Firewire as a format is getting eaten alive by USB in terms of market share, but it's presence in the market right NOW stays because it is faster than USB2.0.
However USB 3.0 is going to change all that, and all evidence (including manufacturers like Apple removing Firewire ports from their new machines) is pointing towards a decline. That is good 2 know. Thanks. | |
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Militant said: Firewire as a format is getting eaten alive by USB in terms of market share, but it's presence in the market right NOW stays because it is faster than USB2.0.
However USB 3.0 is going to change all that, and all evidence (including manufacturers like Apple removing Firewire ports from their new machines) is pointing towards a decline. The new Mac Pro has 4 firewire 800 ports on it and the Macbook pro has 1. [Edited 12/9/09 9:15am] | |
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