minneapolisFunq said:

Exactly! I mean, it's not like people could just disagree with you... oh, wait.

minneapolisFunq said:

Isn't the man entitled to his opinion? Most of today's rappers could not shake a stick at Biggie or Pac, in my opinion. They made their contemporaries and each other step up their game. The rap game has gone straight to hell, since their demise. Yes, we have Jigga, but even he has become inconsistent, with every other album being good. You wanna talk about commercial, let's talk about Jigga, Drake, and to a certain extend, Lil' Wayne. These guys are straight up commercial and in my opinion have turned the rap game into a popularity contest.

BlaqueKnight said:

Wouldn't you say that he spoke about the things that he knew about? Which to him and his followers, were things worth speaking about.

shorttrini said:

Bullshit. I said what I meant. Biggie wasn't talking about shit. He did it eloquently but the shit he was rapping about was bull and many, many other rappers get criticized on this very site for rapping about the same shit but because somebody put a bullet or two in B.I.G., he gets a pass.
I liked his party songs and I thought he was a talented rapper but all he talked about was hoes, guns and clothes so let's not pretend he was more than he was.

BlaqueKnight said:

Okay, we can agree to disagree.

BIG and Pac can't be helped but be compared. It ain't just the media, we do it too and it'll never stop.

It just seems obvious to me that someone who would call biggie "The Hendrix of hiphop" doesnt have a very expansive hiphop repertoire.


and i happen to think that statement deserves criticism.

BIG ain't the anything of rap, same with 'Pac.

You can compare the two of them to each other but not to any rocker/soul singer lol

minneapolisFunq said:

Thats my opinion. The way that both of their careers played out display that parallel, and I do have a deep understanding and love for Hip-Hop. And you can't fault BIG because he was taken too soon, his career only lasted for 3 years (first to last album) he didn't get a chance to really develop the way he could've. If you want to hate on him is your business, I however say he's one of the greats, not because he died, but because of his imprint on the game. He was versatile with his flow and delivery; he was just a street rapper. Thats where he came from, thats what he knew; and I think he was EASILY one of the best of his era.

Timmy84 said:

You're just minimizing what both of them contributed to Hip-Hop, and I'm not comparing Biggie to Hendrix musically, just the way their careersf mirrored each others in their respective genres.

Rappers are always overrated, of course.
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Just because you rap with 'flow' doesnt make you a good musician. The tiresome structure of rapped verses and some quasi-catchy chorus is annoying.

There isnt a single 'rapper' responsible for writing a good composition, offering great harmonics or melodies.

Within the rap-community there might be worse and better ones, but to compare it to real music, is ridicolous of course.

you don't have to like it, but to say rap and hip hop is not real music is some bullshit.

To me, rap and hip-hop is fractured music.

Every other motherfucker with a certain amount of 'flow' thinks he matters, but its very poor and empty music on a musical level. Ask one of these folks who think they can rap, to write a good soul / funk / pop or rock-song. They just can't, they think spitting out words is enough to create good music.

Riverpoet31 said:

to not like Hip-Hop is one thing, but to not call it real music is just bias.

BlaqueKnight said:

I also think it's mess up that you're so surprise to see how the names of Biggie & 2pac are forever link in some fashion within music history.

Personally, I think it's no different from how the names of Michael, Prince, Madonna & (sometimes) Janet are forever link.

Just saying.

BlaqueKnight said:

And don't forget that Biggie also rap about the so-called 10 Crack Commandments.

minneapolisFunq said:

Please argue your point Minneapolisfunq,why do you feel this way?

mrpunkfunk said:

I'm not minimizing, IMHO, I just don't think comparing them like that is necessarily.

TonyVanDam said:

awww sooky sooky now.

Riverpoet31 said:

A rapper that has a good flow is equivalent to a horn player having great runs...If a rapper's flow and cadence is whack, he will have no audience; the same for a musician. Rakim, not only told great stories, but his delivery as well as "sting", was on point.

Riverpoet31 said:

There are (or, there were) rappers who also programmed their own beats, some even sung their own chorus,some were really great rappers, storytellers and beatcreators, some created melodies with their synthesizers.

Rap is the oldest form of music-chanting/speaking over percussion, before there were instruments, autotune, radio, mp3....it is the simplest, purest form of music entertainment from back in the cave days....

hello! recognize....

BklynBabe said:

The rap is okay. I ain't feeling this tired sample though.
Diddy used that shit too with SWV for Someone.

TonyVanDam said:

Not surprised, just a little disappointed that it seems every time he is discussed its never on his own merits. Prince, Mike and Maddy always get discussed on their own as well as congruently. Pac has been discussed several times (even on the org) without Biggie's name coming up. When discussing how prolific Pac was or the dynamic differences in his personality through his songs, people tend not to mention Biggie at all. The same can't be said for B.I.G. The only time B.I.G.seemed to get solo shine was when that movie came out about his life. Other than that, it seems people alays bring up Pac when discussing him. Which supports part of my original point.

bboy87 said:

Shut the fuck up!!!!!

phunkdaddy said:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...mBilft7RiE

The way he chose his words to craft his stories was simply dope. Imagine what he could've done with a longer career.

Biggie only has a handful of songs anyways

his flow wasnt versatile. he sounded clumsy on the mic and his rhyme schemes were very basic.

his catalog just doesnt hold up when compared to GREAT mc's such as rakim,nas,bdk,2pac,deltron,mos def,gift of gab, freestyle fellowship, etc etc.

best mainstream rapper? maybe.

best rapper?

No. Not even top 20. sorry.

minneapolisFunq said:

You're right, maybe he shouldn't have intentionally gotten killed, then his body of work would be bigger... and you could hate on that too.