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Reply #600 posted 11/30/09 2:55pm

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Eddy Grant, Gary U.S. Bonds, Prince and Tina Turner were the first black artists on the channel.

MJ was the first black artist to get HEAVY ROTATION on MTV. Then they started to do the same for Prince and others like Run DMC. MJ's label pushed for MJ's videos to get played more on there and that led to the change so bboy87's right.

Remember what Rick said?

"A lot of Black asses are going to come together and explode on MTV," James said in 1983. "There are no Blacks on MTV's program list except for Tina Turner, and she stopped being Black about 10 years ago. MTV puts on little White punk groups who don't even have record deals. Blacks are missing exposure and sales."
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Reply #601 posted 11/30/09 2:56pm

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bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Eddy Grant, Gary U.S. Bonds, Prince and Tina Turner were the first black artists on the channel.

MJ was the first black artist to get HEAVY ROTATION on MTV. Then they started to do the same for Prince and others like Run DMC. MJ's label pushed for MJ's videos to get played more on there and that led to the change so bboy87's right.

Remember what Rick said?

"A lot of Black asses are going to come together and explode on MTV," James said in 1983. "There are no Blacks on MTV's program list except for Tina Turner, and she stopped being Black about 10 years ago. MTV puts on little White punk groups who don't even have record deals. Blacks are missing exposure and sales."


Yes I sure do remember that! That's why TBS started to create music video shows that more than anything had black artists on heavy rotation more often than MTV did.
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Reply #602 posted 11/30/09 2:57pm

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Timmy84 said:

Eddy Grant, Gary U.S. Bonds, the Bus Boys, Prince, Joan Armatrading (sp?) and Tina Turner were the first black artists on the channel.

MJ was the first black artist to get HEAVY ROTATION on MTV. Then they started to do the same for Prince and others like Run DMC. MJ's label pushed for MJ's videos to get played more on there and that led to the change so bboy87's right.
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True nod

Heavy rotation nod what I meant was that Mj created a timeless hit that Forced MTV to play it in a heavy rotation , maybe they played the other cats but that was it.
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Reply #603 posted 11/30/09 3:05pm

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seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:

Eddy Grant, Gary U.S. Bonds, the Bus Boys, Prince, Joan Armatrading (sp?) and Tina Turner were the first black artists on the channel.

MJ was the first black artist to get HEAVY ROTATION on MTV. Then they started to do the same for Prince and others like Run DMC. MJ's label pushed for MJ's videos to get played more on there and that led to the change so bboy87's right.
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True nod

Heavy rotation nod what I meant was that Mj created a timeless hit that Forced MTV to play it in a heavy rotation , maybe they played the other cats but that was it.


YES! That's MTV's problem. Of course it may have been true that MTV did wanna play "Billie Jean" but at the same time they weren't initially willing to play him ALL THE TIME. That's why Walter told them "I'm gonna tell the media that you won't play videos from a fucking black guy and take all my artists out of your shitty channel!" Walter was about to go to town on MTV's ASS! That's when they started to play "Beat It" on and on and "Billie Jean" on and on...
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Reply #604 posted 11/30/09 3:15pm

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Why making a big deal of first playing on MTV? Back then MTV was a small new station. If anything, MTV rode on MJ to become big, and then made MJ even bigger (he was already big before MTV).

MJ made R&B and Soul dominant in 80s. He will be remembered for that.
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Reply #605 posted 11/30/09 3:20pm

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Why making a big deal of first playing on MTV? Back then MTV was a small new station. If anything, MTV rode on MJ to become big, and then made MJ even bigger (he was already big before MTV).

MJ made R&B and Soul dominant in 80s. He will be remembered for that.


Now that's true. lol MTV needed MJ because MJ was making mad bread off "Thriller" anyways and he was already a legend by then. lol
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Reply #606 posted 11/30/09 3:30pm

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Timmy84 said:

snowmt said:

Why making a big deal of first playing on MTV? Back then MTV was a small new station. If anything, MTV rode on MJ to become big, and then made MJ even bigger (he was already big before MTV).

MJ made R&B and Soul dominant in 80s. He will be remembered for that.


Now that's true. lol MTV needed MJ because MJ was making mad bread off "Thriller" anyways and he was already a legend by then. lol


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Reply #607 posted 11/30/09 3:33pm

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Timmy84 said:

snowmt said:

Why making a big deal of first playing on MTV? Back then MTV was a small new station. If anything, MTV rode on MJ to become big, and then made MJ even bigger (he was already big before MTV).

MJ made R&B and Soul dominant in 80s. He will be remembered for that.


Now that's true. lol MTV needed MJ because MJ was making mad bread off "Thriller" anyways and he was already a legend by then. lol


nod as i have stated , He forced them to play his music.
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Reply #608 posted 11/30/09 3:33pm

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Timmy84 said:

snowmt said:

Why making a big deal of first playing on MTV? Back then MTV was a small new station. If anything, MTV rode on MJ to become big, and then made MJ even bigger (he was already big before MTV).

MJ made R&B and Soul dominant in 80s. He will be remembered for that.


Now that's true. lol MTV needed MJ because MJ was making mad bread off "Thriller" anyways and he was already a legend by then. lol

Just like now wink lol
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Reply #609 posted 11/30/09 3:34pm

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Reply #610 posted 11/30/09 3:34pm

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babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:



Now that's true. lol MTV needed MJ because MJ was making mad bread off "Thriller" anyways and he was already a legend by then. lol

Just like now wink lol


Precisely. cool
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Reply #611 posted 11/30/09 3:35pm

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sag10 said:



lol not far off... did they really thing the jheri curl would stay in fashion
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Reply #612 posted 11/30/09 3:38pm

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Nov 30 2009 9:47 AM EST
'Michael Jackson's This Is It' DVD To Hit Shelves On January 26
Concert documentary will feature an hour of extra footage on DVD, even more on Blu-Ray.


First, Michael Jackson fans couldn't wait for the "Michael Jackson's This Is It" documentary to begin its limited run in theaters around the globe. Then, even before it hit thousands of screens, they began clamoring for a DVD release date of the final artistic statement from the self-proclaimed King of Pop.


That wish was granted over the Thanksgiving weekend, when Sony Pictures announced that "This Is It" will be released on DVD and Blu-Ray on January 26. According to Home Media Magazine, the DVD version will include an hour of extra footage in the form of featurettes on the making of the film, costumes, dancer auditions and the performers' memories of Jackson. The Blu-Ray will contain that footage, plus an additional half hour that includes alternate versions of videos of "Smooth Criminal" and "Thriller."

"This Is It" was originally scheduled for a two-week limited run in theaters, with hopes of a DVD version in stores by Christmas. But due to the popularity of the movie and complaints from theater owners that the Christmas release window was too soon, the run was extended by a month and the DVD release was pushed back, according to the Los Angeles Times. The film has taken in more than $70 million at the U.S. box office since opening on October 28.

In other "This Is It" news, the film did not make it onto the short list of 15 films eligible for Best Documentary Oscar nominations, because it was not released before the September 30 deadline for that category. But it is reportedly still a potential contender in other categories, including Best Picture.

Source: MTV
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Reply #613 posted 11/30/09 3:39pm

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sag10 said:


eek
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Reply #614 posted 11/30/09 3:39pm

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mimi07 said:

sag10 said:



lol not far off... did they really thing the jheri curl would stay in fashion
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Billy Dee Williams.. but cute!
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Reply #615 posted 11/30/09 3:41pm

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"we make our heroes in America only to destroy them"
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Reply #616 posted 11/30/09 3:42pm

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mimi07 said:

sag10 said:



lol not far off... did they really thing the jheri curl would stay in fashion
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Billy Dee Williams.. but cute!
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Reply #617 posted 11/30/09 3:42pm

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I notice that the article is from 1985 wow They had no clue neutral
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Reply #618 posted 11/30/09 3:43pm

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sag10 said:

mimi07 said:



lol not far off... did they really thing the jheri curl would stay in fashion
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Billy Dee Williams.. but cute!

He look like somebody pimp lol smile
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Reply #619 posted 11/30/09 3:45pm

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I can't wait for Dec. 7th! excited
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Reply #620 posted 11/30/09 3:48pm

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EmeraldSkies said:

mimi07 said:




I can't wait for Dec. 7th! excited

Ok how much does this book exactly cost? 300-400? , I might have the money for this
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Reply #621 posted 11/30/09 3:48pm

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"we make our heroes in America only to destroy them"
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Reply #622 posted 11/30/09 3:52pm

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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #623 posted 11/30/09 3:53pm

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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #624 posted 11/30/09 3:54pm

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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #625 posted 11/30/09 3:56pm

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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #626 posted 11/30/09 3:59pm

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bboy87 said:


Michael was the first black artist on MTV to get regular rotation


Heavy is more accurate. And yeah, I never disputed that. It's just that over the years the fact has had a sort of "chinese whispers" effect and many people incorrectly state that he was the first.

I think even MTV themselves at one point stated it. It makes for great PR but sadly untrue.
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Reply #627 posted 11/30/09 4:13pm

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bboy87 said:


Michael was the first black artist on MTV to get regular rotation


I think even MTV themselves at one point stated it. It makes for great PR but sadly untrue.


It IS great PR for MTV, which would be much weaker if they credited it to any other black artist.
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Reply #628 posted 11/30/09 4:39pm

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I have this dream by Keith Martin





I used to have MJ's demo of the song but i lost it, Mj sings it differently, completely different, especially the verses and bridge....so i don't know what is this but anyway, i wanted to post it lol
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Reply #629 posted 11/30/09 5:26pm

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Did you guys see my earlier post about the music video for "This Is It"? I swear it's a different mix of the song than the album versions.
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