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PrintableBlaqueKnight said: There is NO reason Alicia should do a rock album. That doesn't even make any sense. That's like saying Radiohead should do a rap CD. It just doesn't make any sense.
That's like saying it didn't make any sense for KISS to do a disco album. But they released Dynasty anyway. With that said, if an artist like Alicia would like to do a rock album or ever a few rock songs, why not? Isn't she suppose to be an "artist" anyway? [Edited 9/28/09 19:33pm] | |
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TonyVanDam said: BlaqueKnight said: There is NO reason Alicia should do a rock album. That doesn't even make any sense. That's like saying Radiohead should do a rap CD. It just doesn't make any sense.
That's like saying it didn't make any sense for KISS to do a disco album. But they released Dynasty anyway. With that said, if an artist like Alicia would like to do a rock album or ever a few rock songs, [b]why not? Isn't she suppose to be an "artist" anyway?[/b] [Edited 9/28/09 19:33pm] i'm with you all the way on that. i think back in the 60's and 70's artist took more risks and stepped out of their genres. didn't ray charles make a country album?? by the way is that Kiss disco album any good?? | |
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dancerella said: by the way is that Kiss disco album any good?? Well, KISS didn't do a "disco album". They did a disco /rock song which was "I Was Made For Loving You" and it was the lead off single from the album. So it get's tagged that but it's far from a disco album. The single wasn't well received at all in 79 by it's core KISS audience but it's been well received from KISS fans now whenever KISS played it live on past tours. Through rose colored glasses, u know, many KISS fans lose their voice hollering along with the song during the show.  But yeah, I think the album is cool. "Sure Know Something" is another strong cut on that album. I wouldn't suggest this album if you're curious about KISS though.SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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dancerella said: TonyVanDam said: That's like saying it didn't make any sense for KISS to do a disco album. But they released Dynasty anyway. With that said, if an artist like Alicia would like to do a rock album or ever a few rock songs, [b]why not? Isn't she suppose to be an "artist" anyway?[/b] [Edited 9/28/09 19:33pm] i'm with you all the way on that. i think back in the 60's and 70's artist took more risks and stepped out of their genres. didn't ray charles make a country album?? by the way is that Kiss disco album any good?? Disco fans loved the Dynasty album. But the rock community hated it. THIS is my favorite song from the album: | |
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blackguitaristz said: dancerella said: by the way is that Kiss disco album any good?? Well, KISS didn't do a "disco album". They did a disco /rock song which was "I Was Made For Loving You" and it was the lead off single from the album. So it get's tagged that but it's far from a disco album. The single wasn't well received at all in 79 by it's core KISS audience but it's been well received from KISS fans now whenever KISS played it live on past tours. Through rose colored glasses, u know, many KISS fans lose their voice hollering along with the song during the show. But yeah, I think the album is cool. "Sure Know Something" is another strong cut on that album. I wouldn't suggest this album if you're curious about KISS though.Disco-rock is just as entertaining as Disco-funk/Dance-funk. 
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You guys always have to take things to the extreme. I didn't say she shouldn't do any rock SONGS, nor did I say she shouldn't step out of her genre. I said I don't think she should do a ROCK ALBUM.
Why should she not do an entire rock album? 1. There is no indication that she would be any good at rock songs. Usually, this sort of thing comes on the heels of some sort of single or pairing with another artist on a song. Alicia Keys is a POP artist who has pretty much done one thing her entire career. Switching genres can be career suicide for POP artists. Artists who are already indie or generally left of center anyway (Andre 3000 for example) have fan bases who are much more open to an artist's change and will willingly roll with them. Incidentally, I would probably say the same thing about Mariah doing a rock album, whereas Christina could probably pull it off, given her varied material and her hit "Stronger"(although I'm pretty sure she's worn out her "risk" album opportunities). 2. Its a huge marketing risk. Given the poor economy, the steady decline of the music business, etc. Clive and co. aren't going to be risking any of their money makers' careers by spending LOTS of extra promo $$$ on something that could tank quickly and easily. Radical genre switching can confuse a mainstream fanbase and result in massive loss of revenue. Often times, the marketing money outweighs the profits. 3. More often times than not, radical musical changes from artists fail. In the 60s, 70s, and 80s big business didn't have as much of a foothold into the music business as they do now. Lots of people crossed genres and nobody seemed to mind. Now, the instances are few and far between and almost never come without some sort of indication. Every top 40 POP artist has a marketing box that they fit into and parameters to play in. Whenever someone nowadays wants to "cross over", they use another artist already rooted in the genre via a duet/remix to add a different flavor to what they are doing. Artists post mid 90s just don't play the risk game because their labels aren't going to foot the bill for it. That's not what they got hired to do. 4. What in the hell about Alicia Keys says "rock"? Lets at least have a song to base the suggestion of a rock album on rather than just some wild, unfounded whim. I know, why doesn't Flo-Rida do a classical CD? Yeah, that'd be great!Sometimes shit just comes out of left field with you people, doesn't it? Let's get John Legend to do a rock CD, too! And Jay-Z to drop an opera CD! 5. What's the payoff? Would she really increase her fan base by enough numbers to make it worth doing? Answer: probably not. That means its single city: one song, duet with Paramore or somebody like that and call it a done deal. She gets to express herself, her fans get to see her stretch her musical range and she might pick up a couple of people that wouldn't have listened to her before. Worse comes to worst, if it sucks, she can pretend like it didn't happen and move on - unlike with a whole CD. Win/win. [Edited 9/29/09 0:08am] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: You guys always have to take things to the extreme.
[Edited 9/29/09 0:08am] Well you know how some people take comments here, lol. If you word it wrong, they'd call you out for it. 
I think she was trying a pop-rock kinda album last time out or at least tried to on some songs, lol [Edited 9/29/09 0:12am] | |
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TonyVanDam said: blackguitaristz said: Well, KISS didn't do a "disco album". They did a disco /rock song which was "I Was Made For Loving You" and it was the lead off single from the album. So it get's tagged that but it's far from a disco album. The single wasn't well received at all in 79 by it's core KISS audience but it's been well received from KISS fans now whenever KISS played it live on past tours. Through rose colored glasses, u know, many KISS fans lose their voice hollering along with the song during the show. But yeah, I think the album is cool. "Sure Know Something" is another strong cut on that album. I wouldn't suggest this album if you're curious about KISS though.Disco-rock is just as entertaining as Disco-funk/Dance-funk.
[Edited 9/28/09 22:52pm] thanks for posting these. wow it's interesting hearing Kiss get funky! by the way i love the org. where else can you talk about A. Keys and Kiss' disco album in the same thread! | |
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BlaqueKnight said: You guys always have to take things to the extreme. I didn't say she shouldn't do any rock SONGS, nor did I say she shouldn't step out of her genre. I said I don't think she should do a ROCK ALBUM.
Why should she not do an entire rock album? 1. There is no indication that she would be any good at rock songs. Usually, this sort of thing comes on the heels of some sort of single or pairing with another artist on a song. Alicia Keys is a POP artist who has pretty much done one thing her entire career. Switching genres can be career suicide for POP artists. Artists who are already indie or generally left of center anyway (Andre 3000 for example) have fan bases who are much more open to an artist's change and will willingly roll with them. Incidentally, I would probably say the same thing about Mariah doing a rock album, whereas Christina could probably pull it off, given her varied material and her hit "Stronger"(although I'm pretty sure she's worn out her "risk" album opportunities). 2. Its a huge marketing risk. Given the poor economy, the steady decline of the music business, etc. Clive and co. aren't going to be risking any of their money makers' careers by spending LOTS of extra promo $$$ on something that could tank quickly and easily. Radical genre switching can confuse a mainstream fanbase and result in massive loss of revenue. Often times, the marketing money outweighs the profits. 3. More often times than not, radical musical changes from artists fail. In the 60s, 70s, and 80s big business didn't have as much of a foothold into the music business as they do now. Lots of people crossed genres and nobody seemed to mind. Now, the instances are few and far between and almost never come without some sort of indication. Every top 40 POP artist has a marketing box that they fit into and parameters to play in. Whenever someone nowadays wants to "cross over", they use another artist already rooted in the genre via a duet/remix to add a different flavor to what they are doing. Artists post mid 90s just don't play the risk game because their labels aren't going to foot the bill for it. That's not what they got hired to do. 4. What in the hell about Alicia Keys says "rock"? Lets at least have a song to base the suggestion of a rock album on rather than just some wild, unfounded whim. I know, why doesn't Flo-Rida do a classical CD? Yeah, that'd be great!Sometimes shit just comes out of left field with you people, doesn't it? Let's get John Legend to do a rock CD, too! And Jay-Z to drop an opera CD! 5. What's the payoff? Would she really increase her fan base by enough numbers to make it worth doing? Answer: probably not. That means its single city: one song, duet with Paramore or somebody like that and call it a done deal. She gets to express herself, her fans get to see her stretch her musical range and she might pick up a couple of people that wouldn't have listened to her before. Worse comes to worst, if it sucks, she can pretend like it didn't happen and move on - unlike with a whole CD. Win/win. [Edited 9/29/09 0:08am] I see you point. This is where I kinda hope that Lady Gaga would have been the one artist to bring back "the risk game" that used to exist in the 70's & 80's. At least it might give other female artists like Alicia some hope of having that opportunity to experiment with their own music more. But I agree that Clive will not let that happen. | |
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Never thought I'd see Alicia Keys and KISS mentioned together.
I'm throwing in Hoobastank and Kool Mo Dee just for the hell of it. Alicia should do a country & western album with these two acts. | |
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JayJai said: Ms Keys is of exceptional talent...
but... she lost respect from me when she assisted in breakin up a marriage with a baby involved... and I know some ah y'all gone say "and wat about Swizz Beats? Ain't he at fault too?" Of course he is!... but being a "woman of worth" via her many songs, she should've walked away from Swizz. Like I said, great talent  ...
but a homewrecker  Married men? 
She has very low ratings from me cause of that.
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DesireeNevermind said: Never thought I'd see Alicia Keys and KISS mentioned together.
I'm throwing in Hoobastank and Kool Mo Dee just for the hell of it. Alicia should do a country & western album with these two acts. that is brilliant! you just made me crack up and yes i agree about the country and western collabo!  | |
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