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Reply #30 posted 09/22/09 2:03pm

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why was he found not guilty? insufficient evidence

why was that? the same reason many paedophiles are found not guilty, proving the word of an adult against the word of a child. add to that the fact that the adult in question was a multi millionaire who could pay for the best lawyers in the world, and had the resources to use less scrupulous people who could for example intimidate or pay off whoever they wanted to change peoples minds and choices

put yourself in the shoes of a paedophile who doesn't want to go to jail. you would lie, cheat and do anything in your power to avoid prison, including intimidation tactics and trying to pay off witnesses or accusers

whilst you say you saw nothing to make you believe he was a paedophile, tell me what evidence you ever saw of any paedophile? you don't see that stuff, but people are still guilty and convicted of it on a regular basis

the guy admitted to sleeping with kids, even on camera. that's not what a normal straight male would do. what kind of evidence do you need to satisfy your mind he was a paedophile? a video of him fucking a young boy?

my original point was that his fan base would stand by him and say he was innocent without any evidence whatsoever that he was innocent, simply because they couldn't believe, and more importantly did not want to believe that a pop star they idolised could be a criminal. we now know he was a criminal by illegally abusing drugs, that's been clearly established as it killed him. we also know he lied about a number of things about his personal life. it's therefore not hard to accept the possibility that he was a paedophile and should have been convicted of the charges put against him

and as i said before, had he been convicted of the charges, he would than likely have been alive to this day, and healthier than he had been in the past 25 years

But most Pedos would not publicly admit that they allow children to sleep in their bed either. Most Pedos like to blend in and not make themselves obvious.
Mj made his relationship with children too obvious from the beginning, he never hid it. So although his behaviour was very odd for a straight guy, it was not typical Pedo behaviour either, even though it may seem like that. The fact of the matter is all they had is circumstantial evidence and considering the amount of children MJ had around him there should have had a lot more physical evidence then they did. I mean they could not even charge him with child porn, which is how they get most pedos nowadays. His case was not as black and white as people like to think. Anyway doesn't even matter now, even if there was a video of him abusing a child, they can't exactly put him on trial again!!



you can't rope MJ into the category of most peadophiles, as he can't be roped into the category of most humans, he's very different to the average person. the average paedophile wouldn't be able to have a big house to invite kids into,nor the celebrity personality, so just because he doesn't exibit what you consider to be normal paedophile activity doesn't mean he isn't a peadophile. he doesn't exibit the normal activity for any human being. inviting young boys to your home certainly isn't normal activity for a single male without kids, nevermind letting them sleep over
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Reply #31 posted 09/22/09 2:19pm

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unique said:

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But most Pedos would not publicly admit that they allow children to sleep in their bed either. Most Pedos like to blend in and not make themselves obvious.
Mj made his relationship with children too obvious from the beginning, he never hid it. So although his behaviour was very odd for a straight guy, it was not typical Pedo behaviour either, even though it may seem like that. The fact of the matter is all they had is circumstantial evidence and considering the amount of children MJ had around him there should have had a lot more physical evidence then they did. I mean they could not even charge him with child porn, which is how they get most pedos nowadays. His case was not as black and white as people like to think. Anyway doesn't even matter now, even if there was a video of him abusing a child, they can't exactly put him on trial again!!



you can't rope MJ into the category of most peadophiles, as he can't be roped into the category of most humans, he's very different to the average person. the average paedophile wouldn't be able to have a big house to invite kids into,nor the celebrity personality, so just because he doesn't exibit what you consider to be normal paedophile activity doesn't mean he isn't a peadophile. he doesn't exibit the normal activity for any human being. inviting young boys to your home certainly isn't normal activity for a single male without kids, nevermind letting them sleep over


But you can say that about any famous, rich male celebrity. If your saying MJ is a Pedo, I doubt he was the only, rich, famous Pedo in Hollywood. So even most rich, famous pedos like to blend in. Whether he was rich, famous or not saying you share your bed with children publicly is still unusual for a pedo to do, even most psychologists said this was highly unusual.

Now, I am not saying MJ was 100% innocent, I can even understand why many would think he was a pedo, however, I can understand the other side too. He was found Not Guilty of 14 counts and there was a reason for that, it just showed it wasn't open a open and shut case and considering the investigation done by Sneddon and his crew they should have had alot more concrete evidence than they had.
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Reply #32 posted 09/22/09 2:28pm

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you can't rope MJ into the category of most peadophiles, as he can't be roped into the category of most humans, he's very different to the average person. the average paedophile wouldn't be able to have a big house to invite kids into,nor the celebrity personality, so just because he doesn't exibit what you consider to be normal paedophile activity doesn't mean he isn't a peadophile. he doesn't exibit the normal activity for any human being. inviting young boys to your home certainly isn't normal activity for a single male without kids, nevermind letting them sleep over


But you can say that about any famous, rich male celebrity. If your saying MJ is a Pedo, I doubt he was the only, rich, famous Pedo in Hollywood. So even most rich, famous pedos like to blend in. Whether he was rich, famous or not saying you share your bed with children publicly is still unusual for a pedo to do, even most psychologists said this was highly unusual.

Now, I am not saying MJ was 100% innocent, I can even understand why many would think he was a pedo, however, I can understand the other side too. He was found Not Guilty of 14 counts and there was a reason for that, it just showed it wasn't open a open and shut case and considering the investigation done by Sneddon and his crew they should have had alot more concrete evidence than they had.



i agree. there are probably loads of people doing it, but the way he went about sleeping with young boys so openly just drew attention to himself. after being publically accused of child molestation you would think someone would have stayed well clear of inviting boys over, especially when it's not something that needs to be done to even the slightest extent, but to keep on doing it and go on camera and tell the world you do it and you think there is nothing wrong with it just sets alarm bells ringing

if he wasn't a celeb, he most certainly would have ended up in jail. he only got off because he was famous. all the individuals involved with the case seemed shady to me, accuser, jury, you name it, so no wonder he got off
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Reply #33 posted 09/22/09 2:34pm

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But I don't understand how he's not a pedophile. They played the evil music when they showed his picture on t.v. Wouldn't they play the good music if he was innocent?
Seriously. Two accusers. Court finds him not guilty. One accuser confesses that it was a lie. To top it off, the man is r.i.p., meaning at the absolute worst, he poses no danger to anyone anymore. People are still on that pedo ish? What is there to debate about?
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Reply #34 posted 09/22/09 2:46pm

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But I don't understand how he's not a pedophile. They played the evil music when they showed his picture on t.v. Wouldn't they play the good music if he was innocent?
Seriously. Two accusers. Court finds him not guilty. One accuser confesses that it was a lie. To top it off, the man is r.i.p., meaning at the absolute worst, he poses no danger to anyone anymore. People are still on that pedo ish? What is there to debate about?


I think it is a 2 way thing; those who think he was guilty want to spread the word and vice versa. And as you said he is dead now, it doesn't even matter anymore, he can't be retrial. Those who believed he was innocent before his death will continue to believe so and those who believe he was guilty will continue to believe so. But unless someone comes up with concrete, physical evidence to prove he was guilty or innocent either way there is nothing really more to say on that issue. It really is a mute issue.
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Reply #35 posted 09/22/09 2:53pm

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I'm concerned Bashir-style with Prince's penchant for young girls or 'little girl' as he puts it in 'The Ride' or indeed 'Lolita', over anything Mike allegedly did.

He seems obsessed, doesn't hide it neither. Young Mayte flipping coins on her tummy indeed.

I'm sure if Mike sang 'Lolita', there'd be uproar, seeing as it's Prince and nobody listens to him anymore anyway, he gets away with it.

Dirty bugger. wink

the above wasn't strictly true at all, but you know... easy how things get twisted in the eye of the beholder.


And this thread should be locked, the OP is a shit-stirrer with an overblown sense of his own importance. That or he's just clown shoes.
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Reply #36 posted 09/22/09 4:22pm

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*dead* at normal pedophile behavior

yeah...nothing normal about it.
pedophiles don't have classes on how to be an average pedophile.

just not a good working argument....
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Reply #37 posted 09/22/09 4:33pm

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Reply #38 posted 09/22/09 4:35pm

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lock


Agreed. Let it die already.




yeah,,,this gonna get ugly
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Reply #39 posted 09/22/09 6:01pm

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[The thread in question was closed at YOUR request. Why then create a new thread to rehash the same problems? Unacceptable. lock - June7]
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