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Reply #60 posted 09/03/09 12:03pm

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:



I was trying not to say anything but now I must.

Several family members are on record saying that he abused those talented children in the worst, most vile way possible.

I would have preferred to have never heard of them, if it meant, they would have been spared from walking around with the curse and demons of what he did to them for the rest of their lives!


We also must remember that whippings and spankings were common during that time. I'm not trying to justify anything or anyone's actions, but that was popular during that time.

I, too, would rather not hear about the abuse.

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Well we all have heard about it so let's not pretend he was just giving out normal parental spankings. He was molesting and beating the crap out of these kids and their lives as adults are in a disastous state
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Reply #61 posted 09/03/09 12:05pm

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Actually, I do know that. I'm from Detroit, there have been stories going around the Detroit area for years about what was going on in that family. Some from family that lived it, some from family that observed, some from insiders and outsiders, just running off at the mouth, the point is, it wasn't a secret.

I'm certain he got what he had coming to him one way or another. The only reason I'm even in this conversation is because you keep trying to minimalise what he did by focusing on the physical abuse, saying stuff like "it was popular at the time" while dismissing the sexual and emotional abuse that his ex-wife and children insist occurred. That's what's disturbing me, I give less than shit about Robert DeBarge, Sr. and that's for real.


You just contradicted your own statement. You DO NOT know. You are only going by gossip. Therefore, you do not have first hand info. When you get first hand info, I'll leave it alone. I'm not trying to justify anything but the fact that we DON'T KNOW.

If you are a member of the family or saw him first hand, you don't know it's a fact. That's Journalism 101.
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The stories also are coming from Mother Debarge and all of them children. You need to get your head out of your ass on this one.
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Reply #62 posted 09/03/09 12:30pm

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daPrettyman said:



We also must remember that whippings and spankings were common during that time. I'm not trying to justify anything or anyone's actions, but that was popular during that time.

I, too, would rather not hear about the abuse.

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Well we all have heard about it so let's not pretend he was just giving out normal parental spankings. He was molesting and beating the crap out of these kids and their lives as adults are in a disastous state

I'm not in denial. There are 3 sides to every story and no one really knows the truth.
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Reply #63 posted 09/03/09 12:40pm

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Well we all have heard about it so let's not pretend he was just giving out normal parental spankings. He was molesting and beating the crap out of these kids and their lives as adults are in a disastous state

I'm not in denial. There are 3 sides to every story and no one really knows the truth.

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Well let’s just discount what all 10 children are saying as well as the mom and her family. They are all just making up these stores for grins and giggles.
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Reply #64 posted 09/03/09 12:47pm

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I'm not in denial. There are 3 sides to every story and no one really knows the truth.

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Well let’s just discount what all 10 children are saying as well as the mom and her family. They are all just making up these stores for grins and giggles.

Look, if you'd read my other posts, you'll see how I really feel.

I'm not discounting any of the family's accounts on what happened. The people here were acting as if the man beat and abused them and acting as if Robert had done something to them or their family. Truth is, we don't know if the family had forgiven him. We don't know the entire situation.
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Reply #65 posted 09/03/09 12:57pm

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Well, I don't know what went on with the DeBarge family while they were being raised, but I worked with them in 83 and 84, booking them on TV and Radio appearances for the company. With the exception of Bunny and El, the rest of the members were on a salary at Motown of about $500.00 per week. I think El was paid $25,000.00 total for the "Love Me In A Special Way" album, and Bunny I think got the same. They were all so hard to wrangle together, and they all were vying for the spotlight in some sense. James was a little quiet - turns out he was having a clandestine relationship with Janet. Their elopement was a surprise. I barely knew they knew each other. Joseph Jackson had an office in the same building a few floors beneath ours, so I'd often see Janet or Katharine or LaToya back then. Michael used to come up to the offices too, but he usually dropped in after 7pm to see Suzanne DePasse or Suzanne Costen or Tony Jones or my old boss, Bob Jones. Once we were doing a spot for some TV show at a rehearsal studios. I was trying to get their social security numbers for a form we needed to fill out. None of them had a clue as to what theirs might be. I laugh at that because as untogether I thought they were, when they sat down together and harmonized it was like they were consummate pros. And each of them could sing lead beautifully. That day I was talking with Marty at the piano. He started explaining to me how he was tapping around on the keyboard and came up with the melody for "All This Love". I felt sad because I don't believe he was credited with writing the song. Yet, I knew he was telling he truth. The last time I saw any of them I believe it was several years ago (maybe more) on Sunset Blvd. near Highland. I just spoke briefly about the good old days around the time of Motown 25 (another eventful night for me - with MJ). The only thing they ever said to me about their dad was that he was a terrible dancer...like father, like sons...
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Reply #66 posted 09/03/09 1:02pm

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Well, I don't know what went on with the DeBarge family while they were being raised, but I worked with them in 83 and 84, booking them on TV and Radio appearances for the company. With the exception of Bunny and El, the rest of the members were on a salary at Motown of about $500.00 per week. I think El was paid $25,000.00 total for the "Love Me In A Special Way", and Bunny I think got the same. They were all so hard to wrangle together, and they all were vying for the spotlight in some sense. James was a little quiet - turns out he was having a clandestine relationship with Janet. Their elopement was a surprise. I barely knew they knew each other. Joseph Jackson had an office in the same building a few floors beneath ours, so I'd often see Janet or Katharine or LaToya back then. Michael used to come up to the offices too, but he usually dropped in after 7pm to see Suzanne DePasse or Suzanne Costen or Tony Jones or my old boss, Bob Jones. Once we were doing a spot for some TV show at a rehearsal studios. I was trying to get their social security numbers for a form we needed to fill out. None of them had a clue as to what theirs might be. I laugh at that because as untogether I thought they were, when they sat down together and harmonized it was like they were consummate pros. And each of them could sing lead beautifully. That day I was talking with Marty at the piano. He started explaining to me how he was tapping around on the keyboard and came up with the melody for "All This Love". I felt sad because I don't believe he was credited with writing the song. Yet, I knew he was telling he truth. The last time I saw any of them I believe it was several years ago (maybe more) on Sunset Blvd. near Highland. I just spoke briefly about the good old days around the time of Motown 25 (another eventual night for me - with MJ). The only thing they ever said to me about their dad was the he was a terrible dancer...like father, like sons...


Wow! Thanks for sharing. You should write a book on what you saw at Motown. From that brief experience, you definitely have best seller on your hands.
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Your account only discounted some of the media reports on their relationship.
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Rkngwthu said:

Well, I don't know what went on with the DeBarge family while they were being raised, but I worked with them in 83 and 84, booking them on TV and Radio appearances for the company. With the exception of Bunny and El, the rest of the members were on a salary at Motown of about $500.00 per week. I think El was paid $25,000.00 total for the "Love Me In A Special Way" album, and Bunny I think got the same. They were all so hard to wrangle together, and they all were vying for the spotlight in some sense. James was a little quiet - turns out he was having a clandestine relationship with Janet. Their elopement was a surprise. I barely knew they knew each other. Joseph Jackson had an office in the same building a few floors beneath ours, so I'd often see Janet or Katharine or LaToya back then. Michael used to come up to the offices too, but he usually dropped in after 7pm to see Suzanne DePasse or Suzanne Costen or Tony Jones or my old boss, Bob Jones. Once we were doing a spot for some TV show at a rehearsal studios. I was trying to get their social security numbers for a form we needed to fill out. None of them had a clue as to what theirs might be. I laugh at that because as untogether I thought they were, when they sat down together and harmonized it was like they were consummate pros. And each of them could sing lead beautifully. That day I was talking with Marty at the piano. He started explaining to me how he was tapping around on the keyboard and came up with the melody for "All This Love". I felt sad because I don't believe he was credited with writing the song. Yet, I knew he was telling he truth. The last time I saw any of them I believe it was several years ago (maybe more) on Sunset Blvd. near Highland. I just spoke briefly about the good old days around the time of Motown 25 (another eventful night for me - with MJ). The only thing they ever said to me about their dad was that he was a terrible dancer...like father, like sons...
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omg $500 per week? That's it? El and Bunny only getting 25k for the whole damn album? What the hell kind of rip off mess is that! disbelief And I thought TLC and NE had it bad.
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Rkngwthu said:

Well, I don't know what went on with the DeBarge family while they were being raised, but I worked with them in 83 and 84, booking them on TV and Radio appearances for the company. With the exception of Bunny and El, the rest of the members were on a salary at Motown of about $500.00 per week. I think El was paid $25,000.00 total for the "Love Me In A Special Way" album, and Bunny I think got the same. They were all so hard to wrangle together, and they all were vying for the spotlight in some sense. James was a little quiet - turns out he was having a clandestine relationship with Janet. Their elopement was a surprise. I barely knew they knew each other. Joseph Jackson had an office in the same building a few floors beneath ours, so I'd often see Janet or Katharine or LaToya back then. Michael used to come up to the offices too, but he usually dropped in after 7pm to see Suzanne DePasse or Suzanne Costen or Tony Jones or my old boss, Bob Jones. Once we were doing a spot for some TV show at a rehearsal studios. I was trying to get their social security numbers for a form we needed to fill out. None of them had a clue as to what theirs might be. I laugh at that because as untogether I thought they were, when they sat down together and harmonized it was like they were consummate pros. And each of them could sing lead beautifully. That day I was talking with Marty at the piano. He started explaining to me how he was tapping around on the keyboard and came up with the melody for "All This Love". I felt sad because I don't believe he was credited with writing the song. Yet, I knew he was telling he truth. The last time I saw any of them I believe it was several years ago (maybe more) on Sunset Blvd. near Highland. I just spoke briefly about the good old days around the time of Motown 25 (another eventful night for me - with MJ). The only thing they ever said to me about their dad was that he was a terrible dancer...like father, like sons...
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omg $500 per week? That's it? El and Bunny only getting 25k for the whole damn album? What the hell kind of rip off mess is that! disbelief And I thought TLC and NE had it bad.



I just can't wait for the TRUE story of Berry Gordy to be told! nod
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Reply #69 posted 09/03/09 6:12pm

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DesireeNevermind said:




omg $500 per week? That's it? El and Bunny only getting 25k for the whole damn album? What the hell kind of rip off mess is that! disbelief And I thought TLC and NE had it bad.



I just can't wait for the TRUE story of Berry Gordy to be told! nod

There are a lot of them floating around. There are LOTS of Motown books that have court filings and stories from artists. He shafted LOTS of people.
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Reply #70 posted 09/03/09 10:50pm

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I just can't wait for the TRUE story of Berry Gordy to be told! nod

There are a lot of them floating around. There are LOTS of Motown books that have court filings and stories from artists. He shafted LOTS of people.



I have no idea what the Jackson 5 got paid. I shudder to think. Thank God Joe drove the hard bargains he did back then.
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Reply #72 posted 09/04/09 8:22am

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daPrettyman said:

laurarichardson said:


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Well let’s just discount what all 10 children are saying as well as the mom and her family. They are all just making up these stores for grins and giggles.

Look, if you'd read my other posts, you'll see how I really feel.

I'm not discounting any of the family's accounts on what happened. The people here were acting as if the man beat and abused them and acting as if Robert had done something to them or their family. Truth is, we don't know if the family had forgiven him. We don't know the entire situation.

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Dude people here are acting like Robert did something to the family because that is what the family is stating and it did appear that they had forgiven him because they did not really rake him over the coles when the family was profiled on Unsung on TVONE.

Did you even see the program?
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Reply #73 posted 09/04/09 8:29am

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Look, if you'd read my other posts, you'll see how I really feel.

I'm not discounting any of the family's accounts on what happened. The people here were acting as if the man beat and abused them and acting as if Robert had done something to them or their family. Truth is, we don't know if the family had forgiven him. We don't know the entire situation.

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Dude people here are acting like Robert did something to the family because that is what the family is stating and it did appear that they had forgiven him because they did not really rake him over the coles when the family was profiled on Unsung on TVONE.

Did you even see the program?

You misunderstood what I said. I said that the people here were acting as if they were personally beat and abused by Robert and that definitely is NOT the case.

Yes, I saw the program....more than once. I saw that and feel that they had actually forgiven him.

I guess I'm so adamant about us not knowing everything because I know a few people that work closely with industry insiders. I hear stories and "gossip" all of the time about abuse, neglect, denial, etc. from them all of the time about different celebrities. The truth is that all of us in the public DO NOT know the full stories. We only know what is fed to us through the media machine. Sometimes these stories of abuse are fabricated to make the story more appealing to the public. I'm not saying this is the situation with the Debarge family, but it is in many celebrity families.
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Reply #74 posted 09/04/09 8:31am

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Dude people here are acting like Robert did something to the family because that is what the family is stating and it did appear that they had forgiven him because they did not really rake him over the coles when the family was profiled on Unsung on TVONE.

Did you even see the program?

You misunderstood what I said. I said that the people here were acting as if they were personally beat and abused by Robert and that definitely is NOT the case.

Yes, I saw the program....more than once. I saw that and feel that they had actually forgiven him.

I guess I'm so adamant about us not knowing everything because I know a few people that work closely with industry insiders. I hear stories and "gossip" all of the time about abuse, neglect, denial, etc. from them all of the time about different celebrities. The truth is that all of us in the public DO NOT know the full stories. We only know what is fed to us through the media machine. Sometimes these stories of abuse are fabricated to make the story more appealing to the public. I'm not saying this is the situation with the Debarge family, but it is in many celebrity families.

I'm curious DP, where is an instance where you think a story of abuse was in fact fabricated to make an artist "more appealing???" hmmm
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daPrettyman said:

laurarichardson said:


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Dude people here are acting like Robert did something to the family because that is what the family is stating and it did appear that they had forgiven him because they did not really rake him over the coles when the family was profiled on Unsung on TVONE.

Did you even see the program?

You misunderstood what I said. I said that the people here were acting as if they were personally beat and abused by Robert and that definitely is NOT the case.

Yes, I saw the program....more than once. I saw that and feel that they had actually forgiven him.

I guess I'm so adamant about us not knowing everything because I know a few people that work closely with industry insiders. I hear stories and "gossip" all of the time about abuse, neglect, denial, etc. from them all of the time about different celebrities. The truth is that all of us in the public DO NOT know the full stories. We only know what is fed to us through the media machine. Sometimes these stories of abuse are fabricated to make the story more appealing to the public. I'm not saying this is the situation with the Debarge family, but it is in many celebrity families.

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"I said that the people here were acting as if they were personally beat and abused by Robert and that definitely is NOT the case"

Most of the general public hates child molestors and woman beaters. I have quite a few family members who are social workers abuse occurs more often than the public wants to believe that it does.
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daPrettyman said:


You misunderstood what I said. I said that the people here were acting as if they were personally beat and abused by Robert and that definitely is NOT the case.

Yes, I saw the program....more than once. I saw that and feel that they had actually forgiven him.

I guess I'm so adamant about us not knowing everything because I know a few people that work closely with industry insiders. I hear stories and "gossip" all of the time about abuse, neglect, denial, etc. from them all of the time about different celebrities. The truth is that all of us in the public DO NOT know the full stories. We only know what is fed to us through the media machine. Sometimes these stories of abuse are fabricated to make the story more appealing to the public. I'm not saying this is the situation with the Debarge family, but it is in many celebrity families.

I'm curious DP, where is an instance where you think a story of abuse was in fact fabricated to make an artist "more appealing???" hmmm

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I am curious about this as well. Nine times out of ten it is considered embarrassing and families go to ridculous lenghts to keep it under wraps.
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daPrettyman said:


You misunderstood what I said. I said that the people here were acting as if they were personally beat and abused by Robert and that definitely is NOT the case.

Yes, I saw the program....more than once. I saw that and feel that they had actually forgiven him.

I guess I'm so adamant about us not knowing everything because I know a few people that work closely with industry insiders. I hear stories and "gossip" all of the time about abuse, neglect, denial, etc. from them all of the time about different celebrities. The truth is that all of us in the public DO NOT know the full stories. We only know what is fed to us through the media machine. Sometimes these stories of abuse are fabricated to make the story more appealing to the public. I'm not saying this is the situation with the Debarge family, but it is in many celebrity families.

I'm curious DP, where is an instance where you think a story of abuse was in fact fabricated to make an artist "more appealing???" hmmm


I guess I should have said "abuse" specifically. I should have also used "sensationalized".

However, if you look at the Chris Brown and Rihanna situation. It is a good example of how stories have been twisted and turned to make them more sensational. For instance, we had never really heard how violent Rihanna is/was. All we keep hearing about is Chris' history. Some stories have gone as far as to blame his mother for his abusive behavior.
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Reply #78 posted 09/04/09 8:45am

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Rkngwthu said:

Well, I don't know what went on with the DeBarge family while they were being raised, but I worked with them in 83 and 84, booking them on TV and Radio appearances for the company. With the exception of Bunny and El, the rest of the members were on a salary at Motown of about $500.00 per week. I think El was paid $25,000.00 total for the "Love Me In A Special Way" album, and Bunny I think got the same. They were all so hard to wrangle together, and they all were vying for the spotlight in some sense. James was a little quiet - turns out he was having a clandestine relationship with Janet. Their elopement was a surprise. I barely knew they knew each other. Joseph Jackson had an office in the same building a few floors beneath ours, so I'd often see Janet or Katharine or LaToya back then. Michael used to come up to the offices too, but he usually dropped in after 7pm to see Suzanne DePasse or Suzanne Costen or Tony Jones or my old boss, Bob Jones. Once we were doing a spot for some TV show at a rehearsal studios. I was trying to get their social security numbers for a form we needed to fill out. None of them had a clue as to what theirs might be. I laugh at that because as untogether I thought they were, when they sat down together and harmonized it was like they were consummate pros. And each of them could sing lead beautifully. That day I was talking with Marty at the piano. He started explaining to me how he was tapping around on the keyboard and came up with the melody for "All This Love". I felt sad because I don't believe he was credited with writing the song. Yet, I knew he was telling he truth. The last time I saw any of them I believe it was several years ago (maybe more) on Sunset Blvd. near Highland. I just spoke briefly about the good old days around the time of Motown 25 (another eventful night for me - with MJ). The only thing they ever said to me about their dad was that he was a terrible dancer...like father, like sons...
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omg $500 per week? That's it? El and Bunny only getting 25k for the whole damn album? What the hell kind of rip off mess is that! disbelief And I thought TLC and NE had it bad.


Most of the Motown acts - besides Smokey Robinson, Diana Ross (in later years), MJ and Stevie Wonder - were broke by the time they left Motown, they didn't get a lot of money despite giving Motown hits. The DeBarges were just one of many.
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daPrettyman said:

SCNDLS said:


I'm curious DP, where is an instance where you think a story of abuse was in fact fabricated to make an artist "more appealing???" hmmm


I guess I should have said "abuse" specifically. I should have also used "sensationalized".

However, if you look at the Chris Brown and Rihanna situation. It is a good example of how stories have been twisted and turned to make them more sensational. For instance, we had never really heard how violent Rihanna is/was. All we keep hearing about is Chris' history. Some stories have gone as far as to blame his mother for his abusive behavior.

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Chris is a man do you really think Rihanna has the albility to hurt Chris. In addtion, he admitted to the police he had hit her three earlier times.

Chris closed the case on himself when he did not walk away from the situation that third a final time and I am not saying that both don't have problems but be a fucking a man and know how to keep your hands to yourself and walk away.
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I guess I should have said "abuse" specifically. I should have also used "sensationalized".

However, if you look at the Chris Brown and Rihanna situation. It is a good example of how stories have been twisted and turned to make them more sensational. For instance, we had never really heard how violent Rihanna is/was. All we keep hearing about is Chris' history. Some stories have gone as far as to blame his mother for his abusive behavior.

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Chris is a man do you really think Rihanna has the albility to hurt Chris. In addtion, he admitted to the police he had hit her three earlier times.

Chris closed the case on himself when he did not walk away from the situation that third a final time and I am not saying that both don't have problems but be a fucking a man and know how to keep your hands to yourself and walk away.


Yes, I think she had the ability to do damage to him. Maybe not hurt him as bad as he did her, but from what I've heard from the people I know that worked closely with them, they were beating each other up. This, like so many other cases, is one where we will never hear the whole truth.

I agree he should have walked away. Same for her.
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Chris is a man do you really think Rihanna has the albility to hurt Chris. In addtion, he admitted to the police he had hit her three earlier times.

Chris closed the case on himself when he did not walk away from the situation that third a final time and I am not saying that both don't have problems but be a fucking a man and know how to keep your hands to yourself and walk away.


Yes, I think she had the ability to do damage to him. Maybe not hurt him as bad as he did her, but from what I've heard from the people I know that worked closely with them, they were beating each other up. This, like so many other cases, is one where we will never hear the whole truth.


Do you think the same about the Jacksons and Ike & Tina Turner? hmmm Just asking. Nothing personal. smile

You seem to have very interesting arguments lately. lol
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Yes, I think she had the ability to do damage to him. Maybe not hurt him as bad as he did her, but from what I've heard from the people I know that worked closely with them, they were beating each other up. This, like so many other cases, is one where we will never hear the whole truth.


Do you think the same about the Jacksons and Ike & Tina Turner? hmmm Just asking. Nothing personal. smile

You seem to have very interesting arguments lately. lol

I know....I don't know what I'm on. Maybe it's because I'm getting closer to another birthday.

Anyway, the Ike and Tina thing I feel was mostly him. I say that only because I used to work with a guy that played bass with Ike for a while and he told me a LOT of crazy stories about Ike and his love of guns, women and abuse to women, men and his children.

The Jacksons: I don't buy a lot of the "abuse" stories from them either. I think it was more good ole' ass whoopin's that Joe gave. If there was "abuse", I think it was more mental abuse because he thought he was the shit. Not to mention he was a playa even during those times.
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Reply #83 posted 09/04/09 9:19am

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daPrettyman said:

Timmy84 said:



Do you think the same about the Jacksons and Ike & Tina Turner? hmmm Just asking. Nothing personal. smile

You seem to have very interesting arguments lately. lol

I know....I don't know what I'm on. Maybe it's because I'm getting closer to another birthday.

Anyway, the Ike and Tina thing I feel was mostly him. I say that only because I used to work with a guy that played bass with Ike for a while and he told me a LOT of crazy stories about Ike and his love of guns, women and abuse to women, men and his children.

The Jacksons: I don't buy a lot of the "abuse" stories from them either. I think it was more good ole' ass whoopin's that Joe gave. If there was "abuse", I think it was more mental abuse because he thought he was the shit. Not to mention he was a playa even during those times.


Oh OK, lol. lol
If you had said that it was possible Tina could've hit Ike too, I'd be giving you the side eye now. lol
I definitely believe Joe was more mentally abusive than physical by far.
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Reply #84 posted 09/07/09 8:43pm

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Timmy84 said:

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omg $500 per week? That's it? El and Bunny only getting 25k for the whole damn album? What the hell kind of rip off mess is that! disbelief And I thought TLC and NE had it bad.


Most of the Motown acts - besides Smokey Robinson, Diana Ross (in later years), MJ and Stevie Wonder - were broke by the time they left Motown, they didn't get a lot of money despite giving Motown hits. The DeBarges were just one of many.



Well that muthafuggin money grubbin Berry Gordy. Okay ima hate on his ass now. hmph!
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Reply #85 posted 09/08/09 7:02am

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Timmy84 said:

DesireeNevermind said:




omg $500 per week? That's it? El and Bunny only getting 25k for the whole damn album? What the hell kind of rip off mess is that! disbelief And I thought TLC and NE had it bad.


Most of the Motown acts - besides Smokey Robinson, Diana Ross (in later years), MJ and Stevie Wonder - were broke by the time they left Motown, they didn't get a lot of money despite giving Motown hits. The DeBarges were just one of many.


That's true nod This is why Teena Marie left Motown.Her 1981 album 'It Must Be Magic' was a huge seller but she was paid very little for it,even though she wrote and produced it herself.
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Reply #86 posted 09/08/09 8:40am

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SoulAlive said:

Timmy84 said:



Most of the Motown acts - besides Smokey Robinson, Diana Ross (in later years), MJ and Stevie Wonder - were broke by the time they left Motown, they didn't get a lot of money despite giving Motown hits. The DeBarges were just one of many.


That's true nod This is why Teena Marie left Motown.Her 1981 album 'It Must Be Magic' was a huge seller but she was paid very little for it,even though she wrote and produced it herself.



mad aw that is messed up. This is why some folk don't want to do business with black companies because they probably figured they will get ripped off just as much if not moreso than they would with white companies. I'm thinking of Mike Tyson and how he went to work with Don King cuz he thought the brotha was gonna get him paid and he turned out to still get ripped off and exploited. disbelief dayum shame.


wow....digressing from Daddy Debarge and his abuse. confused


ok. like I said before. Fuck Robert Debarge Sr. may be rot in hell.
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Reply #87 posted 09/08/09 11:31am

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DesireeNevermind said:

SoulAlive said:



That's true nod This is why Teena Marie left Motown.Her 1981 album 'It Must Be Magic' was a huge seller but she was paid very little for it,even though she wrote and produced it herself.



mad aw that is messed up. This is why some folk don't want to do business with black companies because they probably figured they will get ripped off just as much if not moreso than they would with white companies. I'm thinking of Mike Tyson and how he went to work with Don King cuz he thought the brotha was gonna get him paid and he turned out to still get ripped off and exploited. disbelief dayum shame.


wow....digressing from Daddy Debarge and his abuse. confused


ok. like I said before. Fuck Robert Debarge Sr. may be rot in hell.


If he is in hell, I'm sure he's in good company.
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