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Reply #30 posted 08/23/09 7:46am

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Fenwick said:

Great timing. I was actually going to ask this on a new thread.

Does anyone know if Stevie has a vault of unreleased tracks?

I have heard this rumor a number of times before and find it hard to believe he has anything even remotely close to Prince's catalog of unreleased material.

My main basis for this opinion is none of his reissues (or the 4 CD box set) have extra tracks, and I have seen/heard very few bootlegs or outakes of his studio work.

For the reocrd, I would LOVE to be wrong about my presumption...


actually stevie sits on ALOT of unreleased material. Fulfillingness First Finale was gonna be a double album worth of material, most of which we haven't jeard same with conversation peace. there's alot of songs from the Songs In The Key Of Life project that haven't been released yet, difference is not a lot of his demo material gets leaked like did happen with someone like Michael for instance. There have surfaced some demos online now but it doesn't cover a lot of it.
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Reply #31 posted 08/23/09 7:50am

Timmy84

Stevie constantly records music.
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Reply #32 posted 08/23/09 8:37am

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Timmy84 said:

Stevie never gets credit for vocally and musically inspiring Charlie Wilson/The Gap Band. They spent years trying to create something similar to this!

I wouldn't say never. Why do you think they worked together so much?



And anyone who doesn't hear the Stevie connection obviously never heard "I Owe It to Myself":
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Reply #33 posted 08/23/09 8:40am

Timmy84

I guess because you never hear it in the mainstream press, you presume they don't know, lol
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Reply #34 posted 08/23/09 8:46am

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Marrk said:

Timmy84 said:

Music of My Mind is probably the most underrated of the "classic period" albums.


Not by me.

But this period, yeah never bettered by anyone i think.

It was like clockwork Stevie won album of the year at the Grammy's. Didn't Paul Simon thank Stevie for NOT releasing an album the year he won? lol


Yeah, this was a funny moment:

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Reply #35 posted 08/23/09 8:52am

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Marrk said:



Not by me.

But this period, yeah never bettered by anyone i think.

It was like clockwork Stevie won album of the year at the Grammy's. Didn't Paul Simon thank Stevie for NOT releasing an album the year he won? lol


Yeah, this was a funny moment:



naice! lol never actually saw it just heard about it. wow @ paul simon's facial hair. cool
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Reply #36 posted 08/23/09 10:03am

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Timmy84 said:

errant said:

seems like MOST great artists do their best, most lasting work around that age.


Marvin's greatest work came between age 31 and age 42. Stevie was a rarity (22-26). I honestly don't know who else at Stevie's age was that prolific unless it was Todd Rundgren, lol
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uh, Prince? Bowie? the Beatles? Stones? James Brown? tons and tons and tons of others?

anyway, my point is that most great pop artists do their best, most influential, most interesting work around that age and churn it out at an excelerated rate.

i don't think Stevie was an exception in that regard.
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Reply #37 posted 08/23/09 10:10am

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errant said:

Timmy84 said:



Marvin's greatest work came between age 31 and age 42. Stevie was a rarity (22-26). I honestly don't know who else at Stevie's age was that prolific unless it was Todd Rundgren, lol
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uh, Prince? Bowie? the Beatles? Stones? James Brown? tons and tons and tons of others?

anyway, my point is that most great pop artists do their best, most influential, most interesting work around that age and churn it out at an excelerated rate.

i don't think Stevie was an exception in that regard.


I meant consecutive masterful albums. I know those guys were geniuses and yeah Prince and Bowie is definitely as cohesive as Stevie in that department.

James' genius relied mainly on singles/drive.
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Reply #38 posted 08/23/09 1:16pm

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For the complete mind f**k I'd go 1971 to 1980.

But I agree, perhaps that 5-album stretch you indicate has never quite been matched.
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Reply #39 posted 08/23/09 1:26pm

Timmy84

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For the complete mind f**k I'd go 1971 to 1980.

But I agree, perhaps that 5-album stretch you indicate has never quite been matched.


1971: Where I'm Coming From
1972: Music of My Mind
1972: Talking Book
1973: Innervisions
1974: Fullfillingness' First Finale
1976: Songs in the Key of Life
1979: Journey Into the Secret Life of Plants
1980: Hotter than July

whew
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Reply #40 posted 08/23/09 1:34pm

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Timmy84 said:

Brendan said:

For the complete mind f**k I'd go 1971 to 1980.

But I agree, perhaps that 5-album stretch you indicate has never quite been matched.


1971: Where I'm Coming From
1972: Music of My Mind
1972: Talking Book
1973: Innervisions
1974: Fullfillingness' First Finale
1976: Songs in the Key of Life
1979: Journey Into the Secret Life of Plants
1980: Hotter than July

whew

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Reply #41 posted 08/23/09 2:43pm

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About Charlie Wilson/Stevie Wonder:



I would love to hear more of the material Stevie produced for MJ's solo album. That would have to be some legendary stuff.

As for unreleased material, I'm sure he's got dozens or hundreds of unreleased tracks. Some demos and stuff are available on Youtube, but the majority of what's available is through live performances. One of my favorites is the song he did for the Sammy Davis Jr. tribute, "Truth Is The Light".

Although a lot of his stuff in from the 80's, 90's and even today was originally written in the 70's, and some even in the 60's. "Ribbon In the Sky" was written in the 60's, I believe, and "Overjoyed" was a song that didn't make the Journey Through The Secret Life of Plants album. "Lighting Up The Candles" was done for Marvin Gaye's funeral and then appeared on the Jungle Fever soundtrack.

Timmy84 said:

Brendan said:

For the complete mind f**k I'd go 1971 to 1980.

But I agree, perhaps that 5-album stretch you indicate has never quite been matched.


1971: Where I'm Coming From
1972: Music of My Mind
1972: Talking Book
1973: Innervisions
1974: Fullfillingness' First Finale
1976: Songs in the Key of Life
1979: Journey Into the Secret Life of Plants
1980: Hotter than July

whew


Oh yeah, totally agree with both of you here... "Rocket Love", "As If You Read My Mind", "Power Flower"... wow... amazing tracks. I was just trying to conform here with this thread. Maybe a bad idea! Actually, to me, I enjoy his 80's work almost as much.. "That Girl", "Do I Do", "Never In Your Sun", "Love Light In Flight", "My Eyes Don't Cry", "Spiritual Walkers", "Dark 'n Lovely".... I could go on all day. So for me, Stevie's genius is a career-spanning thing, notjust his "classic period".
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Reply #42 posted 08/24/09 5:35am

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I was gonna say....

Where I'm coming from is an absolute great album and considering it was done at the time when he was about to go into some intense musical theory classes in Cali, plus his contract was up w/Gordy, his trust fund was due, and he was free to re-negotiate on his terms for the 1st time. In a lot of respects, this was his first project where he favored his own personal artistry over the mainstream and still charted with "If you really love me" which isn't that mainstream at all..
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But there is one thing I did wish to point out..

There is now way one can have a discussion about Stevie's output during this era without taking into account the two Syreeta records that he did....PERIOD!

If you don't have Syreeta (72) and especially the next album Stevie Wonder Presents Syreeta (74), you have no idea of what you're missing out on. Especially the second one..I mean side two of the 74' album is an entire suite of music from start to finish..

nod

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Reply #43 posted 08/24/09 6:01am

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Fenwick said:

Great timing. I was actually going to ask this on a new thread.

Does anyone know if Stevie has a vault of unreleased tracks?

I have heard this rumor a number of times before and find it hard to believe he has anything even remotely close to Prince's catalog of unreleased material.

My main basis for this opinion is none of his reissues (or the 4 CD box set) have extra tracks, and I have seen/heard very few bootlegs or outakes of his studio work.

For the reocrd, I would LOVE to be wrong about my presumption...


Stevie has hundreds and hundreds of unreleased songs in his vault,but unlike Prince,he has been quite successful at keeping most of it under wraps lol In recent years,a few snippets have leaked out,but not the full songs:

Unreleased Stevie Wonder songs from 1974---snippets of two songs


Unreleased Stevie Wonder songs from 1974---snippets of two songs



These four tracks were recorded in early 1974 after 'Innervisions'.I don't think he has any intention of ever releasing this stuff confused
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Reply #44 posted 08/24/09 6:37am

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Early version of "Cryin' Through The Night"... I like it more than the version that appeared on Characters:

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Reply #45 posted 08/24/09 8:27am

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silverchild said:

Marrk said:



Not by me.

But this period, yeah never bettered by anyone i think.

It was like clockwork Stevie won album of the year at the Grammy's. Didn't Paul Simon thank Stevie for NOT releasing an album the year he won? lol


Yeah, this was a funny moment:



lol I remember watching that year Grammy's. My goodness Captain & Tennille a couple of hit wonders presenting at the Grammy's.
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Reply #46 posted 08/24/09 8:34am

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AlexdeParis said:



And anyone who doesn't hear the Stevie connection obviously never heard "I Owe It to Myself":

What is this song from?
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Reply #47 posted 08/24/09 10:02am

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simply no if it's a solo artist, yes if you include Beatles Rubber Soul onward.

But god I would love to have been in the studio during any of those albums....

Please have a talk with god and have him deliver deluxe editions with demos, alt versions, etc.
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Reply #48 posted 08/24/09 11:01am

NMuzakNSoul

Styles said:

I was gonna say....

Where I'm coming from is an absolute great album and considering it was done at the time when he was about to go into some intense musical theory classes in Cali, plus his contract was up w/Gordy, his trust fund was due, and he was free to re-negotiate on his terms for the 1st time. In a lot of respects, this was his first project where he favored his own personal artistry over the mainstream and still charted with "If you really love me" which isn't that mainstream at all..
worship

But there is one thing I did wish to point out..

There is now way one can have a discussion about Stevie's output during this era without taking into account the two Syreeta records that he did....PERIOD!

If you don't have Syreeta (72) and especially the next album Stevie Wonder Presents Syreeta (74), you have no idea of what you're missing out on. Especially the second one..I mean side two of the 74' album is an entire suite of music from start to finish..

nod

peace

Jshua


I agree, those are essential recordings as well, and what a beautiful voice she has. smile cool
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Reply #49 posted 08/24/09 11:02am

NMuzakNSoul

Superstition said:

Early version of "Cryin' Through The Night"... I like it more than the version that appeared on Characters:



same here and it was done around innervisions/fulfillingness

it's a lot warmer sound wise and organic.
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Reply #50 posted 08/24/09 11:38am

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Timmy84 said:

errant said:

seems like MOST great artists do their best, most lasting work around that age.


Marvin's greatest work came between age 31 and age 42. Stevie was a rarity (22-26). I honestly don't know who else at Stevie's age was that prolific unless it was Todd Rundgren, lol
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Stevie had been creating music for a while by the time he reached this point in his career. I was really shocked at the amount of hits he wrote as a teenager (for himself and others). I was really shocked to learn he wrote "It's A Shame" for the Spinners.
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Reply #51 posted 08/24/09 11:44am

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daPrettyman said:

Timmy84 said:



Marvin's greatest work came between age 31 and age 42. Stevie was a rarity (22-26). I honestly don't know who else at Stevie's age was that prolific unless it was Todd Rundgren, lol
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Stevie had been creating music for a while by the time he reached this point in his career. I was really shocked at the amount of hits he wrote as a teenager (for himself and others). I was really shocked to learn he wrote "It's A Shame" for the Spinners.


yep even though reeta did it later "until you come back to me" he wrote that around 1966/1967. great song.
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Reply #52 posted 08/24/09 11:54am

Timmy84

daPrettyman said:

Timmy84 said:



Marvin's greatest work came between age 31 and age 42. Stevie was a rarity (22-26). I honestly don't know who else at Stevie's age was that prolific unless it was Todd Rundgren, lol
[Edited 8/23/09 1:49am]

Stevie had been creating music for a while by the time he reached this point in his career. I was really shocked at the amount of hits he wrote as a teenager (for himself and others). I was really shocked to learn he wrote "It's A Shame" for the Spinners.


I was more shocked when I discovered he produced it...and he was only 19 years old or 20 when the song was recorded! eek
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Reply #53 posted 08/24/09 11:55am

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NMuzakNSoul said:

daPrettyman said:


Stevie had been creating music for a while by the time he reached this point in his career. I was really shocked at the amount of hits he wrote as a teenager (for himself and others). I was really shocked to learn he wrote "It's A Shame" for the Spinners.


yep even though reeta did it later "until you come back to me" he wrote that around 1966/1967. great song.


Don't forget he wrote the music to "Tears of a Clown" at 17 (1967) for the Miracles.
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Reply #54 posted 08/24/09 12:01pm

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Timmy84 said:

daPrettyman said:


Stevie had been creating music for a while by the time he reached this point in his career. I was really shocked at the amount of hits he wrote as a teenager (for himself and others). I was really shocked to learn he wrote "It's A Shame" for the Spinners.


I was more shocked when I discovered he produced it...and he was only 19 years old or 20 when the song was recorded! eek

I KNOW!! He stated on the air how many hits he wrote when he was 14 and 15. That was amazing. I want to say that "Until You Come Back To Me" was written before he was 15 also.
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Reply #55 posted 08/24/09 12:05pm

NMuzakNSoul

Stevie is amazing. cool
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Reply #56 posted 08/24/09 12:05pm

Timmy84

daPrettyman said:

Timmy84 said:



I was more shocked when I discovered he produced it...and he was only 19 years old or 20 when the song was recorded! eek

I KNOW!! He stated on the air how many hits he wrote when he was 14 and 15. That was amazing. I want to say that "Until You Come Back To Me" was written before he was 15 also.


Hell the first song he wrote for ANYBODY ELSE was the Supremes and he was 13 then! eek I think it was a song he did with Clarence Paul on their Sing Country, Western & Pop. He also co-wrote songs for Marvin and the Four Tops.

"Loving You Is Sweeter than Ever" was written by a 16-year-old Stevie Wonder and Ivy Jo Hunter. smile
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Reply #57 posted 08/24/09 2:38pm

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This is a cool article from MOJO magazine.






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Reply #58 posted 08/24/09 2:40pm

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Ah now this is my kinda thread cool Stevie Wonder is a genius. I love his classic work, everything about this period, from it's dual grooves in songs, it's idiosyncratic music & choruses(or lack thereof; yet still remarkably pop), complex chord progressions, vocals, lyrics, synths ,etc, is just crazy good. If your a fan of the wonderlove I suggest you read the book by Steve Lodder, gives a good elaborate explanation of most of his classic work; A guide to the classical albums:Stevie Wonder Think That's what it's called
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Reply #59 posted 08/24/09 2:51pm

Timmy84

Wow! Great article!
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