people seperate the music from the man, so it doesn't matter if he fucked young boys in his bed, people still want to listen to songs like billie jean

jordys dad said recently that he thought the only way to make MJ stop sleeping with boys was to hit him in the pocket, which is why he took that action. if you read up on things you would be aware of this. this is the problem with most of your post, you simply aren't up to date with information

since he died more things have came to light, such as a doctor giving him drugs to stop his sexual appetite for kids, details of MJ's male lovers, etc. as you obviously don't keep up to date with events you are unaware of this

he wasn't forced to live in his own world, there are plenty of stars and rich people who socialise with other adults instead of inviting kids to thier home. in fact, the only other person i can think of who would invite under age children to share a bed with them is gary glitter who was a convited peadophile. if you think a male adult inviting kids to sleepovers is normal, then you can't expect anyone to take you seriously

there was at least one juror in the court case who thought that MJ was guilty, but could not find specific evidence to find him guilty on the specific allegations. being found not guilty in a court of law does not mean someone did not commit an offence. that's a fact even if he didn't sleep with or abuse gavin did not mean he didn't do it to others

why do MJ fans think anyone that says anything negative towards him, regardless of the truth, is jealous of him? who the fuck would want to be a near bankrupt dead criminal junky who slept with young boys and faced serious child abuse cases? the guy had a fucking monkey for a friend for fucks sake

Another slimy aspect of MJ's character was of course his notorious backstabbing. MJ fans were incensed when Quincy slammed Michael after his death. Some of them may want to pause to ask themselves what Michael had done to anger Quincy in the first place. Ditching him couldn't be enough by itself. Producers are used to that. Perhaps finding out from CBS boss Walter Yetnikoff how Michael had plotted against him in 1984 might have had something to do with it. When Michael and Quincy were nominated together for the Producer of the Year award, Michael called Yetnikoff trying to get Quincy's name removed, saying that he didn't want people thinking Quincy had done all the work. Yetnikoff told him he didn't have control over what the Grammy organizers did.

I remember seeing a clip of the two of them onstage together at the Grammys that year and being bemused by how unhappy Michael looked next to Quincy. When Quincy turned to him with a broad smile, Mike responded with the most half-hearted fake smile I ever saw. Yetnikoff's revelation shed a new light on his lack of enthusiasm. He didn't want Quincy sharing the glory. Quincy must have been pissed when he found out about Michael's attempt to stab him in the back.

The list of people Michael stabbed in the back could fill up an entire thread by itself. He was sued by scores of these people. He was a great entertainer, but a despicable human being. By far the slimiest in the modern pop era..

*Facepalms*

Another slimy aspect of MJ's character was of course his notorious backstabbing. MJ fans were incensed when Quincy slammed Michael after his death. Some of them may want to pause to ask themselves what Michael had done to anger Quincy in the first place. Ditching him couldn't be enough by itself. Producers are used to that. Perhaps finding out from CBS boss Walter Yetnikoff how Michael had plotted against him in 1984 might have had something to do with it. When Michael and Quincy were nominated together for the Producer of the Year award, Michael called Yetnikoff trying to get Quincy's name removed, saying that he didn't want people thinking Quincy had done all the work. Yetnikoff told him he didn't have control over what the Grammy organizers did.

I remember seeing a clip of the two of them onstage together at the Grammys that year and being bemused by how unhappy Michael looked next to Quincy. When Quincy turned to him with a broad smile, Mike responded with the most half-hearted fake smile I ever saw. Yetnikoff's revelation shed a new light on his lack of enthusiasm. He didn't want Quincy sharing the glory. Quincy must have been pissed when he found out about Michael's attempt to stab him in the back.

The list of people Michael stabbed in the back could fill up an entire thread by itself. He was sued by scores of these people. He was a great entertainer, but a despicable human being. By far the slimiest in the modern pop era..

There's just one issue with the producer thing:

If Jackson wanted to have Quincy's name removed, there would have been no secret to keep. Quincy would have found out immediately, and so would have the world who knew that Quincy and MJ were a production team. I mean, was Jackson going to be sitting there with Quincy and have the bomb dropped then and there, or what?

So I question the validity of that, especially since Yetnikoff's stories in the past have been crazy and he himself has had falling outs with many a celeb.

Quincy would have never known that Michael engineered it. Just like Jermaine never knew that Michael personally ensured that their duet would not be released as a single. Jermaine gave interviews at the time saying that Michael's record copmpany wouldn't allow it to be released. Now, when you think about it that was obviously nonsense since Michael was in such a powerful position at that time that the record company could never have gone against his wishes on that. Yetnikoff said in his book that Michael specifically asked him to stop their duet being released as a single, but to make it look like it was his (Yetnikoff's) decision. Jermaine was being misled. Michael did this all the time. Yetnikoff's details are very convincing and very consistent with things we've heard elsewhere about Mike. We all know his tendency to try to engineer his own awards for instance. I hope you dishonest floons won't force me to provide all the evidence for that, because you must know it already. Feigning ignorance would only heighten the impression of dishonesty on your part.

And by the way, Yetnikoff never fell out with Mike. He's actually quite nice about Mike in his book, but he also has no problem revealing his calculating and manipulative side.
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So Quincy, who produced (at that point) two of Michael's albums, was going to have his production credits removed from something so a Grammy would be in Jackson's name only, but he wasn't supposed to know Michael engineered the scheme? What was Jackson going to do? Shrug his shoulders and say "Wow, sorry Q"?

This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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Right, so you think Yetnikoff's lying simply because Michael's plan doesn't sound sensible. Errr, you do realize this is Michael Jackson we're talking about here, right?

People who knew Michael long term like Yetnikoff, Bob Jones, Quincy, Raymone Bain, Rabbi Boteach have all painted a far from wonderful picture.

Is that a joke?

Your point is a fair one. Boteach only knew him for three or four years but in that time he spent a lot of time with him and defended him publicly. But like many people lured in by Michael's "humble" act, he soon saw through the facade and subsequent statements painted a picture of a very morally bankrupt individual. A picture corroborated by dozens of people who came into contact with Michael over the years. The consistency of these accounts is just too strong to ignore.
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I'm not dim, I just see it in a different way than you do. Besides not everybody that Mike meant are as what you think they are. The same people you think were "wronged" by MJ, well when MJ needed them, where were they?
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