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Michael Jackson Reality Check An intelligent and honest blog I found online. The shameful thing is that this even needs to be said.
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Here's another intelligent and thoughtful open ended piece from New York Times writer Bob Herbert. This one may be a bit too smart for some readers.
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Angelic1302. You've just made two posts that really have nothing to do with the topic. Are you feeling okay? | |
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It does seem that a mythical, fantastical version of Michael Jackson's life is the story that people want to tell. His music and performances obviously touched the lives of many.I tear up when I think of his talent, and his potential, and of how he ultimately destroyed himself. As a society , our first priority is to protect the children. We seem to be failing miserably. "It's hard 4 me 2 say what's right when all I want to do is wrong..." | |
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Doctor 'gave Jackson sex drug'
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Angelic1302 said: Exactly. Bashir got checked. Thought he pulled a fast one. When we say that the purpose of life is to find God, surely that desire to find God is an escape from life -Conciouscontact
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The first video showed how two-faced Bashir is. How you gonna praise MJ in his face, then call him a disturbing individual in public? nWo (aka FUNK 3.0): bboy87 - timmy84 - muthafunka - littleBLUEcorvette - phunkdaddy - christopher
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paisleypark4 said: Angelic1302 said: :video snip:
Exactly. Bashir got checked. Thought he pulled a fast one. I was glad when I saw this on television. There is one of two things that happened in this unseen footage of Bashir complementing MJ. 1) He was sincere about his words and really was surprised and joyed at seeing MJ interact with his kids, or 2) He was buttering up MJ with good words, then going in for the kill on other questions. It was just enough flattery to keep MJ's ego going in order to have him answer the other questions Bashir had. Regardless, it was disappointing how Bashir edited his story. He should have been a better reporter than that. When he edited and showed the story as he did, then it was nothing more than tabloid fodder. And it started the whole trial of MJ, for which he was found not guilty. There's just no way that story was fair and balanced when all he showed was MJ being possessive of his kid's identity, or MJ having problems feeding Blanket, or anything else. He said "I never saw MJ hurt a child", but then brings up everything ELSE to try and twist it into something perverse. MJ called him out on it a few times, but Bashir kept digging for something. Now while I'm not defending any pedophile, there's just never been proof that MJ was anything more than a dude with some porn in his house, and a drug addiction. That could be said of the people living to your left, or to your right. You just never know about people, but to slant someone for the sake of it, well shame on you, Mr. Bashir. I can't believe ABC kept him on for Nightline. He should be working for TMZ or be Perez's bitch instead. Ernest L Sewell, IV
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New York Times Op-Ed columnist Mr. Bob Herbert piece, "Beyond the Facade" was spot on. Be very careful how you treat people: You know where you've been but you don't where you're going. | |
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I was a Child Protective Services worker for 7 years and one of the reasons I had to get out was the the FACT that most child molesters get away with molesting children. These are some of the things I learned:
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Those who thought he was a Pedo in life, will continue to think he is a Pedo in death. The problem is that people are like sheep, in life everyone was calling him names and mocking him because that was the thing to do. Whilst he was alive you would be ridiculed if you called yourself a MJ fan. What has happened over the last month or so is called hypocrisy. And When the groove is dead and gone, you know that love survives and we can rock forever. R.I.P Michael. | |
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TD3 said: New York Times Op-Ed columnist Mr. Bob Herbert piece, "Beyond the Facade" was spot on.
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funkteer said: I was a Child Protective Services worker for 7 years and one of the reasons I had to get out was the the FACT that most child molesters get away with molesting children. These are some of the things I learned:
-This crime usually has no witnesses, and the perp is usually smart enough not to leave behind his DNA. They don't molest ALL the children they come into contact with. They pick their victims very carefully. The assertive kid, with strong, very involved parents, is not a good victim. -Children usually do not lie about being molested. The sad fact is that most don't tell at all, or tell years later. When they do tell, many are not believed. I have see many mothers, and grandmothers blame the child. They kept their man, and let us take their children into foster care. One mother let us keep her 12 year old daughter in foster care, calling her a liar and a whore, and let her husband remain in the home with her other two daughters. -When you have a crime where a child is the only witness, any lawyer, let alone a millionaire's lawyer, would have no problem casting reasonable doubt. When the children finally tell, often months or years later, they don't remember the date, or the details. They make very good witnesses for the DEFENSE. That is why we have so many sexual predators living in our neighborhoods, free to molest more children. Poor child molesters get away with this crime, just as easy as rich child molesters. -From what I have seen and read, there is no successful rehabilitation or treatment for sex offenders. -Food for thought.... an insurance company paid out $25,000,000 to make the first case go away. Has anyone here tried to get $1000 out of an insurance company for a fender bender? Hell, the insurance company for the MJ's London concerts doesn't look like they want to pay a dime because he died doing drugs. -Martin Bashir did not force MJ to admit that it is the most beautiful thing in the world to sleep with children, etc. That came right out of the horse's mouth. -As a child welfare worker, if I had discovered all the drugs that Michael was taking while caring for his own children, I might have removed them from his home, pending his completion of a drug program. I was a big Jackson 5 and MJ fan growing up, but from following his life's story and the child molestation cases, I have trouble separating the entertainer from the man. People.... when a child comes to you and tells you that an adult did something to them. Believe the child. Don't be so quick to send your child to sleep overs. Child molesters do not look like monsters. They look like our fathers, grandfathers, brothers, uncles, boyfriends,clergy, teachers of both sexes, even aunts and mothers. The internet has also brought the magnitude of this problem to light, but what are we going to do about it? Thank you for this. The sad fact is the vast majority of paedophiles get away with it. Same goes for rapists. What makes it all the more tragic is that the victims are made to feel like the villains. | |
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children are innocent but they also LIE pushed by their parents to do so especially when GREED comes to mind...especially when they see the individual
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utopia7 said: children are innocent but they also LIE pushed by their parents to do so especially when GREED comes to mind...especially when they see the individual
is meek in character. With this said, my only wish for Michael was the first time this came about he steer clear of children ALTOGETHER stay with his nieces & nephews until he decided to have and take care of his own children. It's easy for people to say, yes he did it simply because of how he looked or oddities. But for those who walk among you the ones you TRUST be it your minister/preacher example you'd trust them in a heartbeat! because they appease your mind. Whatever the case Michael put faith in the WRONG people resulting in a sad frame of mind.I doubt it was easy being the most famous person in the world. Amazing even in death keep on BRAVO. UNITY | |
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utopia7 said: children are innocent but they also LIE pushed by their parents to do so especially when GREED comes to mind...especially when they see the individual
is meek in character. With this said, my only wish for Michael was the first time this came about he steer clear of children ALTOGETHER stay with his nieces & nephews until he decided to have and take care of his own children. It's easy for people to say, yes he did it simply because of how he looked or oddities. But for those who walk among you the ones you TRUST be it your minister/preacher example you'd trust them in a heartbeat! because they appease your mind. Whatever the case Michael put faith in the WRONG people resulting in a sad frame of mind.I doubt it was easy being the most famous person in the world. Amazing even in death keep on jordy chandlers dad said in a recent interview that he wasn't short of money being a hollywood dentist (and mj's dentist) and did it as he thought $20 (18 to jordy and 1m to each parent) would stop him from doing it again. the payout helped jordy to some degree to build a successful business and keep out of the spotlight, whereas for example debbie rowe still pops up from time to time in interviews when the money is running out the lot of them involved in the second case seemed as bad as each other, one criminal accusing another and back again. a complete farce the thing is there plenty of rich people in this world, many far richer than MJ but you don't hear about them getting involved in any dodgy scandals like this, so if the stories are made up for money, how come MJ is the only person in the world to have such a problem dealing with it when he has plenty of money to deal with things properly and legally? but like you say, any normal person would have learned a lesson andy kept away from kids after that, not invite them to thier house for sleep overs and on stage at concerts etc, he just brought it all on himself and only has himself to blame. he didn't lose his childhood, he just had a different one from others, but there are plenty of kids in the world who have a worse childhood, but they don't act like kids when they are adults and play with kids instead of adults the point someone made that not all peadophiles and rapists abuse everyone is the best way to put it, these people look for victims and only abuse a tiny percentage of people they meet, the ones they think they can get away with. so whilst hundreds of kids may have slept over and nothing happened to them, doesn't mean something didn't happen to some of them. as an adult in the dating game, how many girls do you need to chat up before you find one that takes you on? it's the same numbers game to some degree All the latest Prince worldwide news and reviews in one easy to find place www.thedawnexperience.co.uk
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Excellent thread. Many people I know have decided a long time ago to give Michael Jackson a pass on his bizzare/wacko behaviour.
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unique said: utopia7 said: children are innocent but they also LIE pushed by their parents to do so especially when GREED comes to mind...especially when they see the individual
is meek in character. With this said, my only wish for Michael was the first time this came about he steer clear of children ALTOGETHER stay with his nieces & nephews until he decided to have and take care of his own children. It's easy for people to say, yes he did it simply because of how he looked or oddities. But for those who walk among you the ones you TRUST be it your minister/preacher example you'd trust them in a heartbeat! because they appease your mind. Whatever the case Michael put faith in the WRONG people resulting in a sad frame of mind.I doubt it was easy being the most famous person in the world. Amazing even in death keep on jordy chandlers dad said in a recent interview that he wasn't short of money being a hollywood dentist (and mj's dentist) and did it as he thought $20 (18 to jordy and 1m to each parent) would stop him from doing it again. the payout helped jordy to some degree to build a successful business and keep out of the spotlight, whereas for example debbie rowe still pops up from time to time in interviews when the money is running out the lot of them involved in the second case seemed as bad as each other, one criminal accusing another and back again. a complete farce the thing is there plenty of rich people in this world, many far richer than MJ but you don't hear about them getting involved in any dodgy scandals like this, so if the stories are made up for money, how come MJ is the only person in the world to have such a problem dealing with it when he has plenty of money to deal with things properly and legally? but like you say, any normal person would have learned a lesson andy kept away from kids after that, not invite them to thier house for sleep overs and on stage at concerts etc, he just brought it all on himself and only has himself to blame. he didn't lose his childhood, he just had a different one from others, but there are plenty of kids in the world who have a worse childhood, but they don't act like kids when they are adults and play with kids instead of adults the point someone made that not all peadophiles and rapists abuse everyone is the best way to put it, these people look for victims and only abuse a tiny percentage of people they meet, the ones they think they can get away with. so whilst hundreds of kids may have slept over and nothing happened to them, doesn't mean something didn't happen to some of them. as an adult in the dating game, how many girls do you need to chat up before you find one that takes you on? it's the same numbers game to some degree Unique you have some points here which can be viewed objectively,there are situations brought upon himself,and I thank you for posting your position in a respectful way.I just at this point want to put the man Michael Jackson to rest and remember the music. [Edited 8/9/09 14:41pm] | |
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Jackson engaged in equally outrageous (and suspicion generating) actions—many of them characteristic of pedophiles—and then he is shocked—shocked!
err Jackson was examined by a psychiatrist hired by the prosecutors during the trial, and the guy said that MJ does not fit into the profile of a pedo and that he is '' a regressed 10 year old '' One case of alleged pedophilia against Jackson, the details of which would make your hair stand on end
yeah like Chandler's drawing of MJ's penis. which was more of a smurf house. Oh and Chandler also said MJ was circumsized This is just bad and lazy journalism designed for shock value. well not that shocking actually. nothing that has not been said before. but hey they wanna give the sheeps what they wanna hear. [Edited 8/9/09 15:06pm] | |
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No one will ever know what exactly happend, it can be debated forever, like the Kennedy shooting and conspiracies. Was it all just a plot to derail MJ by the "media" or was it deeper, did something happen, or was it an innocent thing and when parents heard that their child shared a bed with MJ, the $$$ signs went off in their eyes like MJ eyes bugged out at the end of the Thriller video.
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funkteer said: I was a Child Protective Services worker for 7 years and one of the reasons I had to get out was the the FACT that most child molesters get away with molesting children. These are some of the things I learned:
-This crime usually has no witnesses, and the perp is usually smart enough not to leave behind his DNA. They don't molest ALL the children they come into contact with. They pick their victims very carefully. The assertive kid, with strong, very involved parents, is not a good victim. -Children usually do not lie about being molested. The sad fact is that most don't tell at all, or tell years later. When they do tell, many are not believed. I have see many mothers, and grandmothers blame the child. They kept their man, and let us take their children into foster care. One mother let us keep her 12 year old daughter in foster care, calling her a liar and a whore, and let her husband remain in the home with her other two daughters. -When you have a crime where a child is the only witness, any lawyer, let alone a millionaire's lawyer, would have no problem casting reasonable doubt. When the children finally tell, often months or years later, they don't remember the date, or the details. They make very good witnesses for the DEFENSE. That is why we have so many sexual predators living in our neighborhoods, free to molest more children. Poor child molesters get away with this crime, just as easy as rich child molesters. -From what I have seen and read, there is no successful rehabilitation or treatment for sex offenders. -Food for thought.... an insurance company paid out $25,000,000 to make the first case go away. Has anyone here tried to get $1000 out of an insurance company for a fender bender? Hell, the insurance company for the MJ's London concerts doesn't look like they want to pay a dime because he died doing drugs. -Martin Bashir did not force MJ to admit that it is the most beautiful thing in the world to sleep with children, etc. That came right out of the horse's mouth. -As a child welfare worker, if I had discovered all the drugs that Michael was taking while caring for his own children, I might have removed them from his home, pending his completion of a drug program. I was a big Jackson 5 and MJ fan growing up, but from following his life's story and the child molestation cases, I have trouble separating the entertainer from the man. People.... when a child comes to you and tells you that an adult did something to them. Believe the child. Don't be so quick to send your child to sleep overs. Child molesters do not look like monsters. They look like our fathers, grandfathers, brothers, uncles, boyfriends,clergy, teachers of both sexes, even aunts and mothers. The internet has also brought the magnitude of this problem to light, but what are we going to do about it? A lot of the characteristics that you say are that of a pedophile. Child molestors and pedophiles are not interchangable. A pedophile has an average of 240 victims. Most are mentally ill/ have a sexual interest in children and cannot control themselves. Child Molestors are people who have been molested who molest others. It is usually random and they do it out of revenge and anger of what has been done to them. So this can be someone who had inapproiate contact/sex etc. with someone who is five years younger.it is possible that Child Molestors only offend one or a couple of children in their lifetime and have no sexual interest in children what so ever. Like i said early, they are doing it out of anger or revenge of what has been done to them. People need to remember that these terms are not interchangable. | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: funkteer said: I was a Child Protective Services worker for 7 years and one of the reasons I had to get out was the the FACT that most child molesters get away with molesting children. These are some of the things I learned:
-This crime usually has no witnesses, and the perp is usually smart enough not to leave behind his DNA. They don't molest ALL the children they come into contact with. They pick their victims very carefully. The assertive kid, with strong, very involved parents, is not a good victim. -Children usually do not lie about being molested. The sad fact is that most don't tell at all, or tell years later. When they do tell, many are not believed. I have see many mothers, and grandmothers blame the child. They kept their man, and let us take their children into foster care. One mother let us keep her 12 year old daughter in foster care, calling her a liar and a whore, and let her husband remain in the home with her other two daughters. -When you have a crime where a child is the only witness, any lawyer, let alone a millionaire's lawyer, would have no problem casting reasonable doubt. When the children finally tell, often months or years later, they don't remember the date, or the details. They make very good witnesses for the DEFENSE. That is why we have so many sexual predators living in our neighborhoods, free to molest more children. Poor child molesters get away with this crime, just as easy as rich child molesters. -From what I have seen and read, there is no successful rehabilitation or treatment for sex offenders. -Food for thought.... an insurance company paid out $25,000,000 to make the first case go away. Has anyone here tried to get $1000 out of an insurance company for a fender bender? Hell, the insurance company for the MJ's London concerts doesn't look like they want to pay a dime because he died doing drugs. -Martin Bashir did not force MJ to admit that it is the most beautiful thing in the world to sleep with children, etc. That came right out of the horse's mouth. -As a child welfare worker, if I had discovered all the drugs that Michael was taking while caring for his own children, I might have removed them from his home, pending his completion of a drug program. I was a big Jackson 5 and MJ fan growing up, but from following his life's story and the child molestation cases, I have trouble separating the entertainer from the man. People.... when a child comes to you and tells you that an adult did something to them. Believe the child. Don't be so quick to send your child to sleep overs. Child molesters do not look like monsters. They look like our fathers, grandfathers, brothers, uncles, boyfriends,clergy, teachers of both sexes, even aunts and mothers. The internet has also brought the magnitude of this problem to light, but what are we going to do about it? A lot of the characteristics that you say are that of a pedophile. Child molestors and pedophiles are not interchangable. A pedophile has an average of 240 victims. Most are mentally ill/ have a sexual interest in children and cannot control themselves. Child Molestors are people who have been molested who molest others. It is usually random and they do it out of revenge and anger of what has been done to them. So this can be someone who had inapproiate contact/sex etc. with someone who is five years younger.it is possible that Child Molestors only offend one or a couple of children in their lifetime and have no sexual interest in children what so ever. Like i said early, they are doing it out of anger or revenge of what has been done to them. People need to remember that these terms are not interchangable. I have never heard of this distinction between the terms before, but I will look it up. Sounds like a semantics to me. "It's hard 4 me 2 say what's right when all I want to do is wrong..." | |
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funkteer said: I was a Child Protective Services worker for 7 years and one of the reasons I had to get out was the the FACT that most child molesters get away with molesting children. These are some of the things I learned:
-This crime usually has no witnesses, and the perp is usually smart enough not to leave behind his DNA. They don't molest ALL the children they come into contact with. They pick their victims very carefully. The assertive kid, with strong, very involved parents, is not a good victim. -Children usually do not lie about being molested. The sad fact is that most don't tell at all, or tell years later. When they do tell, many are not believed. I have see many mothers, and grandmothers blame the child. They kept their man, and let us take their children into foster care. One mother let us keep her 12 year old daughter in foster care, calling her a liar and a whore, and let her husband remain in the home with her other two daughters. -When you have a crime where a child is the only witness, any lawyer, let alone a millionaire's lawyer, would have no problem casting reasonable doubt. When the children finally tell, often months or years later, they don't remember the date, or the details. They make very good witnesses for the DEFENSE. That is why we have so many sexual predators living in our neighborhoods, free to molest more children. Poor child molesters get away with this crime, just as easy as rich child molesters. -From what I have seen and read, there is no successful rehabilitation or treatment for sex offenders. -Food for thought.... an insurance company paid out $25,000,000 to make the first case go away. Has anyone here tried to get $1000 out of an insurance company for a fender bender? Hell, the insurance company for the MJ's London concerts doesn't look like they want to pay a dime because he died doing drugs. -Martin Bashir did not force MJ to admit that it is the most beautiful thing in the world to sleep with children, etc. That came right out of the horse's mouth. -As a child welfare worker, if I had discovered all the drugs that Michael was taking while caring for his own children, I might have removed them from his home, pending his completion of a drug program. I was a big Jackson 5 and MJ fan growing up, but from following his life's story and the child molestation cases, I have trouble separating the entertainer from the man. People.... when a child comes to you and tells you that an adult did something to them. Believe the child. Don't be so quick to send your child to sleep overs. Child molesters do not look like monsters. They look like our fathers, grandfathers, brothers, uncles, boyfriends,clergy, teachers of both sexes, even aunts and mothers. The internet has also brought the magnitude of this problem to light, but what are we going to do about it? A lot of victims don't tell or take years to tell. I was sexually abused as a child and it took me 9 years to tell my parents what had happened. However, even thought it happened 12-15 years ago, I still remember it vividly, knowing what time of year it was and what was done to me....even how many times as well. It's not something you forget. | |
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funkteer said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: A lot of the characteristics that you say are that of a pedophile. Child molestors and pedophiles are not interchangable. A pedophile has an average of 240 victims. Most are mentally ill/ have a sexual interest in children and cannot control themselves. Child Molestors are people who have been molested who molest others. It is usually random and they do it out of revenge and anger of what has been done to them. So this can be someone who had inapproiate contact/sex etc. with someone who is five years younger.it is possible that Child Molestors only offend one or a couple of children in their lifetime and have no sexual interest in children what so ever. Like i said early, they are doing it out of anger or revenge of what has been done to them. People need to remember that these terms are not interchangable. I have never heard of this distinction between the terms before, but I will look it up. Sounds like a semantics to me. semantics? This was discussed in my Psychology of Sex textbox of the class i took at college which was the Psychology of Sex. [Edited 8/9/09 17:26pm] | |
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LightOfArt said: Jackson engaged in equally outrageous (and suspicion generating) actions—many of them characteristic of pedophiles—and then he is shocked—shocked!
err Jackson was examined by a psychiatrist hired by the prosecutors during the trial, and the guy said that MJ does not fit into the profile of a pedo and that he is '' a regressed 10 year old '' One case of alleged pedophilia against Jackson, the details of which would make your hair stand on end
yeah like Chandler's drawing of MJ's penis. which was more of a smurf house. Oh and Chandler also said MJ was circumsized This is just bad and lazy journalism designed for shock value. well not that shocking actually. nothing that has not been said before. but hey they wanna give the sheeps what they wanna hear. [Edited 8/9/09 15:06pm] It is bad journalism for shock value. they really need to look at the whole picture instead of knit picking certain things that support their views. | |
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