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Bravo !! Go Sheila !!
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FonkAy said: Bravo !! Go Shelia !!
See that post on top? Just 4 posts before you? Now look how her name is spelled. © Bart Van Hemelen
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every American worker deserves to be compensated for his or her labor ...if that labor is producing value expressed in commodities which someone else sells for profit, yes! | |
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BartVanHemelen said: FonkAy said: Bravo !! Go Shelia !!
See that post on top? Just 4 posts before you? Now look how her name is spelled. U R right... I should (@ least) get her name right... I stand corrected (doesnt help the rest of my post much tho Thank U. + + | |
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Translation: The consumer has to pay to listen to radio if this measure becomes law..... no thank you Sheila. People like Rhianna, Jay-Z, etc., should then PAY every single time a dj plays their songs on the radio. This measure will make it so that regular people would have to pay yet another tax. We listen to the free singles on the air so that we as consumers BUY the albums.
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It's obvious you all don't know a thing about radio. Radio stations have to charge very low advertising rates, so paying every artist they play would kill a bunch of radio stations, especially the ones who are more eclectic. Radio stations would become much more commercial, so that they could make some money, playing only the most banal artists like Lil Wayne. Guys like Prince would stop being played.
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Shhhhh... Shelia it's quiet hour.
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2freaky4church1 said: It's obvious you all don't know a thing about radio. Radio stations have to charge very low advertising rates, so paying every artist they play would kill a bunch of radio stations, especially the ones who are more eclectic. Radio stations would become much more commercial, so that they could make some money, playing only the most banal artists like Lil Wayne. Guys like Prince would stop being played.
Independent radio and public radio would have to get more tax money to pay the artists. That will not happen in this climate. Cool radio stations will be axed, bad ones will thrive, but barely. Radio will be much worse than it already is. Why do you think record companies do Payola? They know that radio promotes an artist by playing the songs. The playing of the song is the payment. People get to hear the songs, they buy the album or the single. Sheila means well, but this will destroy alternative radio. They cannot pay artist royalties and stay afloat. Exactly, that is why the radio stations I listen to are saying that they will then start charging people to stay on air. No, I am not in the industry, I only go by what I read in the paper and what my stations I listen to are saying. For me to know "nothing about radio", I know enough to understand that what people like Sheila want is bad for me the consumer of music ultimately. instead of saying cheese when I take a picture, Imma say PHIMOSIS | |
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I haven't listened to Radio in over 10 years because there's nothing worth listening to. After cable and pay t.v.amd converter boxes, didn't anybody see this coming? | |
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I have worked in the radio business for 17 years and I have experienced first hand the economic hardship the idustry faces. Radio stations already pay ASCAP & BMI fees which help pay artists. Granted, pay for performance would give artists more money, but it's not like radio stations take advantage of artists. It's quite the contrary. Radio has helped launch many of the most successful artists in history including Prince and Sheila E! Where would the The Beatles be without radio? How would anyone have known about them? Yes, we do live in a new age where radio is not the only means to get new music heard, but I totally disagree with pay for performance on commercial radio stations. Radio stations do generate advertising revenue by providing entertainment by playing artists music, but radio stations playing artists music is also advertising for the artist which generates revenue for the artist when listeners go out and buy their music!
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Wrong. This will NOT kill Radio.
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Gimmieshelter said: I have worked in the radio business for 17 years and I have experienced first hand the economic hardship the idustry faces. Radio stations already pay ASCAP & BMI fees which help pay artists. Granted, pay for performance would give artists more money, but it's not like radio stations take advantage of artists. It's quite the contrary. Radio has helped launch many of the most successful artists in history including Prince and Sheila E! Where would the The Beatles be without radio? How would anyone have known about them? Yes, we do live in a new age where radio is not the only means to get new music heard, but I totally disagree with pay for performance on commercial radio stations. Radio stations do generate advertising revenue by providing entertainment by playing artists music, but radio stations playing artists music is also advertising for the artist which generates revenue for the artist when listeners go out and buy their music!
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BartVanHemelen said: FonkAy said: Bravo !! Go Shelia !!
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2freaky4church1 said: It's obvious you all don't know a thing about radio. Radio stations have to charge very low advertising rates, so paying every artist they play would kill a bunch of radio stations, especially the ones who are more eclectic. Radio stations would become much more commercial, so that they could make some money, playing only the most banal artists like Lil Wayne. Guys like Prince would stop being played.
Independent radio and public radio would have to get more tax money to pay the artists. That will not happen in this climate. Cool radio stations will be axed, bad ones will thrive, but barely. Radio will be much worse than it already is. Why do you think record companies do Payola? They know that radio promotes an artist by playing the songs. The playing of the song is the payment. People get to hear the songs, they buy the album or the single. Sheila means well, but this will destroy alternative radio. They cannot pay artist royalties and stay afloat. ----- "Guys like Prince would stop being played. " Guys like Prince don't get played right now. but I know this legislation will put independent stations out of business and the artist need to go independent or try to work out better deals with the labels. | |
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I thought US radio stations already had to pay a certain fee for every song they played. Is this not true? Is the amount and distribution of this fee in question here? Purple Fact #542: Prince can make a Weeble™ fall down. | |
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IshmaelB said: every American worker deserves to be compensated for his or her labor ...if that labor is producing value expressed in commodities which someone else sells for profit, yes!How american is that? You mean she can't sell her music herself? And 'commodities'? Are dollars commodities? [Edited 8/5/09 1:14am] | |
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I don't listen to the radio anymore,so I'm not sure how to feel about this | |
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I'm a bit confused. Here in the UK as far as i am aware they already pay a fee at different rates depending on the radio station. I thought the complaint on here is that P never gets played-but if its free doesnt that mean the DJ just doesnt like him. | |
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Normally, I would say that it is rediculous for radio stations to have to pay the artists to play their songs because without radio, these artists would never be heard of in the first place (at least that's how it used to be before all the other musical outlets). An artist that has a record without radio airplay is about as popular as a local band that is only known for playing in local clubs. How rich do you think those groups are?
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SoulAlive said: I don't listen to the radio anymore,so I'm not sure how to feel about this I don't listen to mainstream radio whatsoever but I do listen to oldies stations when I'm in the car. I can see where Sheila E. would think it would benefit her if the stations had to pay to play her songs because "The Glamorous Life" does pop up every now and then on oldies stations. The artists are making their money off of sales and radio is the outlet that gets their name out there and their music heard which eventually leads to sales. That's why I normally would say it would be rediculous for radio to have to pay to play these songs because the airplay is benefitting the artists. However, if Sheila E. was to release a funky new album, radio would not play it because she's not young and her music is not shit hop. So she could record the funkiest album in the world but it would flop because radio would not play it. I'm sure she's probably thinking about those oldies stations playing "The Glamorous Life" and occasionally "A Love Bizarre". It would benefit her a little bit to be paid by radio each time they play them because they are old songs and it seems that the only way an older artist can make money these days is from their old music but the average person doesn't rush to the record store to buy an old song. She's not making money from sales so now she wants to make her money from radio. It will backfire on her though because if they have to pay to play it, then they just won't play it. At least as it is now, somebody will hear those old songs and possibly go out and buy them occasionally, but if radio stops playing those old songs together, she will never be heard from again and will have to resort to doing more bullshit reality shows like "Gone Country" to get her name out there. She's desperate is what it all comes down to. It's not her fault though, it's radio's for promoting nothing but shit hop. But how do you fight them when huge corporations own multiple stations and control everything? That's why I just want to see the stations and the labels go broke altogether and I'm glad to see people downloading free songs like crazy. It's not hurting the old artists because they have basically made damn near all the money they are going to make off of those old songs because they are no longer in style. But downloading is hurting the sales of these new so-called artists and that's exactly what I want to see. I want shit hop out of style one way or the other and it doesn't matter to me how it happens. . . . [Edited 8/5/09 3:09am] Andy has spoken dammitt. | |
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I commend Sheila for taking a stand for what she believes is right, and I'm sure she knows a whole lot more about her profession than I do, but I also have been following music long enough to have the opinion that when artists become overly proprietary of their work, they might as well just buy a rifle and aim it at their feet, cuz it can kinda be the same thing.
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vainandy said: I don't listen to mainstream radio whatsoever but I do listen to oldies stations when I'm in the car. I can see where Sheila E. would think it would benefit her if the stations had to pay to play her songs because "The Glamorous Life" does pop up every now and then on oldies stations. The artists are making their money off of sales and radio is the outlet that gets their name out there and their music heard which eventually leads to sales. That's why I normally would say it would be rediculous for radio to have to pay to play these songs because the airplay is benefitting the artists. However, if Sheila E. was to release a funky new album, radio would not play it because she's not young and her music is not shit hop. So she could record the funkiest album in the world but it would flop because radio would not play it. I'm sure she's probably thinking about those oldies stations playing "The Glamorous Life" and occasionally "A Love Bizarre". It would benefit her a little bit to be paid by radio each time they play them because they are old songs and it seems that the only way an older artist can make money these days is from their old music but the average person doesn't rush to the record store to buy an old song. She's not making money from sales so now she wants to make her money from radio. It will backfire on her though because if they have to pay to play it, then they just won't play it. At least as it is now, somebody will hear those old songs and possibly go out and buy them occasionally, but if radio stops playing those old songs together, she will never be heard from again and will have to resort to doing more bullshit reality shows like "Gone Country" to get her name out there. She's desperate is what it all comes down to. It's not her fault though, it's radio's for promoting nothing but shit hop. But how do you fight them when huge corporations own multiple stations and control everything? That's why I just want to see the stations and the labels go broke altogether and I'm glad to see people downloading free songs like crazy. It's not hurting the old artists because they have basically made damn near all the money they are going to make off of those old songs because they are no longer in style. But downloading is hurting the sales of these new so-called artists and that's exactly what I want to see. I want shit hop out of style one way or the other and it doesn't matter to me how it happens. . . . [Edited 8/5/09 3:09am] I actually just started listening to the radio on the weekends and yes I like the music from the 70s and 80s. In NYC, station 98,7kissfm plays this type of music full force on the weekends. (They can be accessed online as well)during the week, they also play music from the 70s/80s and 90s. You will hear music from the Prince and MJ era, and once in a while when they will do a Prince or MJ lunch special, during the week for an hour. They'll also play Prince music and other associated artists like Sheila E and the Time. Other than that, I don't listen to hip-hop crap of today. It's not real music to me at all. But I have to say they play some slamming music on the weekends from back in the day (70s/80s). Earth, Wind & Fire, Chic, Kool & the Gang, etc., I'm wondering if all those artists/groups from back in the day get any royalites from this or a fee paid to the record label. It's a shame if the royalties go straight to the record label, while the artists gets nothing, if that's how it works. I'm not an expert on the business side of radio, but because they play so much of these artists from back in the day music, they are certainly deserving of royalties. I also listen to pandora.com online. I like that you can type in any artist or group like "Shalamar" and they will play all kinds of music from that era. I wonder what type of agreement that site has with the record labels and the artists. I notice that whatever song they play, they usually will have a pic of the artist, their cd, and offer you a chance to purchase it. Which is cool, because, although it's a free station, they also advertise the artist's song that is played where you can purchase it, while it's being played. [Edited 8/5/09 8:04am] Education, the greatest weapon
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Anxiety said: I commend Sheila for taking a stand for what she believes is right, and I'm sure she knows a whole lot more about her profession than I do, but I also have been following music long enough to have the opinion that when artists become overly proprietary of their work, they might as well just buy a rifle and aim it at their feet, cuz it can kinda be the same thing.
I can see the appeal of this idea for established artists who are having their songs played ad nauseum on big Top 40 and golden oldie stations, but what about new artists who are just trying to get their work aired on radio so they can get some recognition? I'm not saying this concept is harmful overall, but I think it should be more thought out, and maybe there should be more conditions applied, so the folks who need the airtime more than the monetary compensation aren't getting screwed, or at least so artists have a choice and smaller radio stations have more opportunities. I think there's an answer that can be mutually beneficial to everyone...it just hasn't quite been smoothed out yet. But it doesn't matter IF they shoot themselves in their own feet. They should at least have the OPTION to shoot themselves in their own feet. The problem here, from what I understand, is that artists are NOT being compensated correctly for their work being aired on radio. Take it to another medium. Let's say I am a MMA Fighter and I have a contract with UFC to fight on television, and I get a cut from the proceeds of attendance and PPV sales. Agreements are made with Charter, Cox, and Time Warner Cable to report and reimburse PPV sales. I get a check later based on this. 2 weeks later, UFC makes a side deal with Charter Cable so that Charter can license the fight as part of a "Greatest Hits" PPV package. UFC gets paid from Charter per PPV subscription, but argues that I should not get compensated as this is a separate deal. Also, they say they should be glad that I am getting that publicity as being acknowledged as a "Greatest Hits" quality fighter. They argue that because I am being endorsed for free by UFC, my own value will rise, and I will make my money in the future. These artists are saying "Fuck the future, I want my money now." Somebody is taking your musical ability and making money off of it, and you never signed a contract to allow this to happen. Now you're being told you have no legal leverage to request compensation. It's bull. [Edited 8/5/09 8:08am] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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