bboy87 said:

It has crossed my mind, that was my second assumption that he died because his lupus may had return from its remission. That was the rumor going around that MJ's lupus was back to serious around the time of his death. Maybe that was why he always came out of Dr. Klein's place.

Timmy84 said:

That's one of the things I've thought about....

Timmy84 said:

that's a possibility but i think he passed from someting given to him by a "doctor". that's why police are questioning people and searching offices, i think they already know what was in michael's system
[Edited 7/23/09 1:00am]

There is a lot of speculation surrounding Michael's death and so many different reports. Some saying he collapsed and Prince thought he was playing around, others saying that he didn't wake up from going to sleep at 2 following a night of rehearsal, others saying he was given demerol an hour before the dr called for help, etc etc.

Everyone seems to be running with theories, when I think the said truth is Michael died unexpectantly and everyone wants to find a reason.

Without knowing the full truth and have all the results in its hard to come to terms with things. Was he weak, was he healthy, was he an addict, was he overly medicated, was he an insomniac, it goes on an on.

It's a tragedy and when they happen people want to find reason - it's natural.

Personally I think it was just a sad case of errors and panic that delayed possibly reviving Michael. But at the end of the day no matter what happened it doesn't change things.

I just feel sorry for his children who, shielded as they are, will no doubt one day hear, or read all these crazy speculative items (even from people who are meant to be his fans) and the pain of losing their daddy will just hit home again.

As Marlon wished, "maybe they will leave you alone now Michael". Hopefully we as fans can at least honour that and put to rest all the tabloid drama and unsubstantiated stories for the moment and let the results come when they will.

Swa

I just finished reading Jackson Family Values and I must say I have completely lost all respect for the Jackson family except for Michael, Janet and Marlon (and Latoya to a certain degree). They had the sense to get out of there and dissociate from them as much as they could. Although Latoya obviously did it in a completely crazy way, I understand where she was coming from. Although I think Jack controlled her to a certain degree, I really think she was just damn angry at her family which I can totally see why. To have the sort of sensitivity Michael has and to have dealt with them, I truly understand his problems.

Timmy84 said:

Debbie said in one interview that she wanted to call Paris Michael and that Michael said no, so they decided Paris cause that´s where she was concieved and Michael because Debbie wanted her to have Michael´s name, and Katherine after Mike´s mum.

Someone at the KOP board posted these bringing me a heart-attack...so enjoy....





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The best for last.

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Thanks so much dag, they're great!

Just started a MUSIC ONLY thread for Michael.

Please guys - to keep it from getting locked, just discuss the music. My first post details essential listening, good tracks and weak tracks from his solo efforts (Epic years).

Join in and let us know your take on the albums.

But please - don't let it get into a bitching session or a place for more innuendo and BS. Keep it focused on the music.

The thread is: http://prince.org/msg/8/314514

Coroner Reports Breach of Security
July 22, 2009

Los Angeles County coroner’s officials said today that they have looked into security breaches involving the investigation of Michael Jackson’s death, including hundreds of improper views of the pop star’s death certificate and the discovery of weaknesses in two other computer systems in which more sensitive records were stored.

At least a half-dozen coroner’s staff members were among those who inappropriately accessed Jackson’s death certificate, officials said today. Within two weeks of his death, the certificate had been viewed more than 300 times.

In some cases, staff members appear to have printed copies before it became a public record. Earlier this month, coroner’s officials warned employees to cease, cautioning that they had previously been admonished about the security hold on the Jackson case.

"There's only one person in the investigation of Mr. Jackson who needed to have a copy of the death certificate, and that was the investigator," said Craig Harvey, chief coroner investigator.

Harvey called any access of the Electronic Death Registration System for personal use “not appropriate.”

In a July 9 e-mail reviewed by The Times, a coroner’s captain told staff that future abuses of the system would result in disciplinary action. Staff members who had printed a copy of the death certificate were advised to destroy it.

Harvey said he learned that coroner’s employees were inappropriately accessing Jackson’s death certificate after he received a tip alleging that a funeral home employee created a fake death certificate for Jackson in the computer system.

Harvey did not uncover any fraudulent death certificate, but did discover the names of coroner's employees who had looked at the record even though they had no role in the Jackson investigation.

He said he had not contacted any law enforcement agency about the actions, saying he believed that internal rules had been broken, not any laws.

Death records in the EDRS system, which is state-supervised, can be accessed by anyone with a state-issued password, including employees at coroner’s offices, funeral homes, hospitals, and county and state registrar's offices. Users input information on death certificates that must be signed off on by doctors or coroners and made public by the state registrar.

Coroner's employees are supposed to look up cases "strictly in the performance of your official coroner duties,” according to the e-mail reviewed this month.

In addition to issues with the electronic access to Jackson’s death certificate, Harvey said that his office also had trouble securing two other computer systems in which they kept Jackson’s death investigation reports.

Investigation reports, which are not public records, typically are accessible only to investigators and other employees with office-issued passwords. Once employees log in, they can access others’ investigations — unless the reports are locked.

The investigator’s reports on Jackson's death were locked from the start, Harvey said, meaning access should have been available only to employees with the rank of captain or higher. Because of the high interest in Jackson, coroner’s officials took the added precaution of restricting access to only a few administrators. Harvey said the hard copy of the investigation was stored under lock and key.

Still, after the investigation started, they discovered vulnerabilities in the computer systems that might have allowed employees unauthorized access, Harvey said. He declined to say what those weaknesses were.

“We took extra steps to plug those holes,” he said.


http://latimesblogs.latim...icate.html
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dag said:

geez this thing is about to go to part 10 this might be the longest thread(s) in the history of the org. You gotta love the irony of that a Michael Jackson thread on prince.org is the longest ever. hahahahaha

P2daP said:

I think the MJ trial had a similar amount.

BTW, not read a newspaper for three weeks, i bought them immediately after we lost him, but since then? no. i've seen the headlines that's enough nonsense for me.

purplesweat said:

And that's the saddest thing about Michael's life....the fact that he felt that he couldn't seek professional help to deal with his demons.He was a prisoner of his own fame,afraid and paranoid that the psychiatrist would sell the story to a tabloid.Alot of the problems that he was struggling with (missing out on a childhood,not trusting adults,preferring the company of young children,issues with his racial identity,etc) could have been worked out and resolved,if only he was willing to seek help.
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Am I the only person that's worried about how MJ's body is holding up? Where the hell is the body? I would hope they would have buried him by now.

ViintageJunkiie said:

YES you are!!

Dead bodies decay fool..... "from dust you were made- to dust you will return"....that part of it will not need an hour long Larry King discussion

SoulAlive said:

I don't think he should be blamed for NOT seeking such help, though.

ViintageJunkiie said:

I really believe he's already buried, the "mystery" is actually just to keep fans at bay.

purplesweat said:

True.

P2daP said:

Amazing, isn't it?

P2daP said:

http://www.tmz.com/2009/0...r-cutsody/

suga10 said:

C'mon. Just one week ago didn't TMZ report that Janet offered to raise the kids? 'Creative journalism' is TMZ's hallmark.

I think Rebbie is a perfect choice to raise the kids.She's not exactly a huge celebrity so I think she could give the children a quiet,normal upbringing...out of the spotlight.

suga10 said:

Good. i like this idea, Rebbie is far removed from the business. Older and wiser too.

Michael Jackson interview with Chuck Dakota
Summer of 2008


CD: You are without doubt the greatest entertainer that ever lived. Looking back did you ever think you would be the king of pop?

MJ: (laughter).. Wow.. Thank you so much... That's wonderful of you to say. I don't think I ever really had a grip on what we did until thriller. When I was a child I didn't understand it all. Joseph would give us checks each week from Barry and I was ten, eleven years old and had hundreds of thousands of dollars handed to me each week and all I wanted was a friend to play ball with and a pack of bubblegum. I can really tell you with all honesty that when I was younger I wanted to stop and just be a child with the astonishment of the world.


CD: You say that it came to life for you with Thriller. What do you mean by that?

MJ: A lot of people don't know this but thriller was mine. I had it in my head from the days of being with my brothers playing clubs at two or three in the morning. Because I could never play with children or join a baseball team I would stay up late into the night and write poems and stories. I remember I would fantasize about what I wrote and I guess a lot of what came out was my dreams of what I really wanted. I kept everything I ever wrote and when I was making thriller I took some of what I composed and adapted it into the album of which I'm very proud of. Because thriller was my own creativity, it made me really fall in love with the music because for the first time I was able to express myself and release all these emotions and if you listen to the album and i mean really listen you can hear that I wrote most of those songs from the soul.


CD: Michael you were the king of the stage since day one. You didn't have to work at it, you had it and gave it to the world. Do you have any regrets?

MJ: Again hank you for such kinds words. That's wonderful. I was talking with one of my dear friends the other day and we were I guess reflecting on the past and I think if I could have changed anything it would have been the chance to be a child for just a little while. I remember going to and from the studios and seeing children play and how all i wanted was to be one of them. I would have traded anything in the world to change places with them just for the day


CD: Michael you've lived your whole life in the press. Everything from the elephant man bones to having alien babies. How do you cope with it all?

MJ: (laughter).. The elephant bones was one of the top ten. I've always said the bigger the star the bigger the target and by no means am I saying that I'm better than anyone else but because of the way I live and choose to live and what I've accomplished the press for the most part feel they can make anything up and as long as it has my name on it, it will sale.. All I can say is don't by that trash. That's all it is, trash and what i want people and my fans to know is when you buy that junk you're putting money in their pockets and it hurts me. I'm a human being, not a freak show or Wacko Jacko, just a man trying to raise his children and live in peace.


CD: Michael how has your children changed you?

MJ: (deep sigh).. Oh wow.. Everything.. Everything has changed. I've always wanted children and I'm so blessed by the lord to have that kind of love in my life and I will do anything and everything I can to make my children lovers of the world and not spoiled brats with the silver spoon. I want them to see the world with wonderment and not be afraid and to have goals and to live life at its fullest and with each step they take I see that in them and I wake up for them and go on for them. For the first time in my life, all of this has a purpose and it's my children. The hell, the pain, the loneliness was leading to them all along.


CD: Let's talk about the 90's run. You had huge success in that decade but the press down played it. You sold millions of albums, had huge hits and I'm wondering if that's why you slowed down with putting out more music?

MJ: Without question. I was so irritated the media said those albums were utter failures. They sold millions of copies like you said and had massive air play and it still wasn't good enough. They wanted to focus on other things and I think we know what those are without having to indulge but the point being it goes back to making news out of nothing when I gave them so much to make news from that was true and honest like selling 7 or 8 million copies, debuting at number 1, I could go on and on but it's the same Ol' story.. If Michael does it, let's burn it into something else.


CD: Do you have plans for new music or maybe a tour?

MJ: Well I'm going to tell you something you may not believe..(laughter).. I have several hundred songs already laid down that I go back to when I want to release a new compilation. When I'm in the studio I sing until I can't sing anymore because I write all the time. I get beats and rhythms and work on new dance steps all the time but people don't see that side of me. I do want to do a new album but it has to be right. I want it to be bigger than thriller and I know I can do it. We're talking about some concerts but right now that's still private information but we're talking and it's coming.


CD: That my friend will be the biggest show in the world.. I can't wait.. I remember I was just a young DJ when you played arrowhead back on 84 or 85. How much work goes into a new album or concert tour?

MJ: (laughter).. Kansas City right....


CD: Yea.. Where the chiefs play...

MJ: (With excitement) Yea.. Yea.. I remember that.. I had Kansas City ribs for the first time and made Joseph buy me four or five racks to eat on the plane. (laughter) It's really a lot of work. I'm not one to say let's do a tour and hire someone to put it all together regardless if it's just on MTV, with my brothers or a world tour. I develop every detail and it takes years. That's why I don't do it all the time (laughter)


CD: Speaking of MTV.. How does it make you feel knowing you are the one.. The only one.. Who broke down the barriers and made it into what it is today?

MJ: They say imitation is one of the biggest form of flattery and some of them just can't do it.. (laughter) Chuck don't you air that.. People will get mad at me.. (laughter) I was just kidding.... I do consider that one of the biggest achievements I've done and I'm so proud of those artist that come in my footsteps and take it into a new direction. I often wonder what music would be if it wasn't for thriller. I know what it did to the world and to music and sometimes i just wonder how different it would have been without it.


CD:Michael, in all the interviews I've ever heard or read you always go back to thriller.. In my opinion you've had so many great works of art.. Not music but art.. So why do you use thriller as the example?

MJ: That's a great question chuck.. Wow.. Well I guess because it was mine. It was the first time I had complete control from start to end and it allowed me to bring everything that was buzzing in my head to life.. (laughter) now people will think I hear voices (laughter) be quit I'm talking (laughter).. Sorry I get carried away sometimes.. It's my Genesis. It's the start of what I consider the career of Michael Jackson. The others before it, I'm very proud of but it had other hand prints on it when thriller was mine and it paved the way for what my music would be. It's like a road map and I've followed it every beat from then until now.


CD:That is so cool... I've read what your favorite song is and what you like to listen to but what is your favorite Michael Jackson song?

MJ: Good grief.. This is like final jeopardy..Do the questions get harder as we go (laughter)... I have many that are special to me. Each song represents something so special in my life from charity work I do to love to relationships to peace in the world so I can't pin down one because each one has come from my soul.. Not just pen and paper with a lyric that rhymes...


CD: Let's talk a minute about charity. You have a Guinness World Record for supporting the most charities from the entertainment world.

MJ: Yea.. It's pretty neat.. My children told me that were going to get one for eating the most fried chicken (laughter).. My dear mother instilled in me very young to give back and as I grew in God I knew what I had to do as a believer in Christ. I hate to see suffering, I hate to see people in need and I feel God gave me a gift and I have to use it responsibly by giving back and I'll do it until I have pennies left or the good lord calls me home.


CD: You're not only like that with charity but also with your fans?

MJ: I love my fans.. I mean I really love them and if I could meet every one of them I would. I watch television and see shows that follow other celebrities and how they get so mad about fans wanting to say hi or get an autograph.. They made me.. So if I can give them two minutes of my time and a friendly hello it's well worth it. I've lived my life by the fans and I'll die by the fans.


CD: Michael give me a typical day in your life?

MJ: Well.. It's very boring.. (laughter).. After i visit with the aliens (laughter) don't air that..I can see them writing that story now.... (laughter) ...I start the day around 6:30 or 7.. Take a shower, get my children up and we have breakfast... I fix them what they want and then I'll have a meeting or read while the children play and then it's about lunch time and we eat and spend the afternoon maybe playing a game or watching TV or a video and i get them ready for dinner and at night we might stay up late to go shopping or something fun for the children. I tuck them in, read them a story, and then I spend the rest of the night catching up on mail and stuff like that. Just a typical dad.


CD: Finally Michael.. What is one thing you want the world to know about you?

MJ: Well.. For one don't read everything you believe (laughter) .. I just want my fans to know that I'm not done.. I haven't thrown in the towel and I'm coming back bigger than ever before... I owe it to them, I owe it to myself and I owe it to my children. I want them to see what their daddy can do, not read about what he was and had to put up with 20 years from now.


Well that's it! I hope you enjoyed it. When you hear the audio from it you will get the image of a very smart man who loves to laugh and enjoys life. He was so honest and true that the world will never be the same without him.

We are all given a purpose in life. His was to carry the music world on his shoulders and he did, even when he was breaking, he would find the strength to stand tall, overcome it all just for us. Goodbye my friend.. You'll never be forgotten!

James Debarge called the Jackson home the "house of fears" LOL
Apparently when he was living there with Janet he was high on drugs and threatened to commit suicide by jumping off the tower, to which papa Joe said "Jump motherfucker!"

P2daP said:

It wouldn't be near as long and the pages would load faster if folks would learn to edit their replies. Especially when there are a lot of big pictures, there's no need to copy them 10 times within a couple of pages.

pplrain said:

aw that aint right at all.