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PrintableTimmy84 said: cdcgold said: i think it does matter. if those are mj's kids( and i think they are) then their black, and less face it they were raised black. how do you think they would feel to here people calling them white. Its insulting. wouldn't you get made if someone called you white. And its so racist the way people say it. They are basically saying all black people have to look alike. I personally think some white people's (cough bill o'reilly} refusal to admit those are his kids is cause they are scared that if a black man can have whiter looking kids that they may have some black in them too. you know they probably start wondering why their grandmother used to tan so well and it probably scares them. It's not any better to talk bad about people the way they talk bad about someone. It matters to people who act ignorant and shady. I can't stand shady people who put color over anything. It's annoying not to mention baseless as fuck. But Timmy, we live in a place (America) that's known for such ignorance and sadly it ain't gonna go away unless people learn to NOT to see people as colors and just.....human beings. | |
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cdcgold said: DesireeNevermind said: If he isn't MJs kid he is at least half black. He looks mixed to me. The older boy does too. It's just the girl that looks caucasian. Shoot, I dunno. Those kids probably all Brazilian. i even think paris looks biracial. she doesn't look like the jacksons and she does have white facial features but she's to dark to be just white. she looks like a darker( and better looking) version of debbie. i guess thats where mj's genes came in, the darker color skin and the dark curly/wavy hair. then again some people swear she looks like joe ( i don't see it) but go figure   No she does not look like any of the Jackson's,
the girl is WHITE! There are dark skinned white people and it's called a TAN!  [Edited 7/20/09 16:22pm] A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconciously translates what he hears into something he can understand. | |
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NastradumasKid said: Timmy84 said: It's not any better to talk bad about people the way they talk bad about someone. It matters to people who act ignorant and shady. I can't stand shady people who put color over anything. It's annoying not to mention baseless as fuck. But Timmy, we live in a place (America) that's known for such ignorance and sadly it ain't gonna go away unless people learn to NOT to see people as colors and just.....human beings. I know that, I'm just saying. This country is stuck on stupid. | |
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Who cares who mothered or fathered them..
Michael raised them and loved them as his own. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
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sag10 said: Timmy84 said: You didn't see the warning signs on blog posts about the book? The stories about his supposed gay trysts? Come on. Who would believe that with a straight face that he would dress like a woman in order to get away so that he could get with some guy he met at...whatever the place was, lol. I'm glad you returned it tho. No, I did not see the blog posts.. Ridiculous book.. Oh and one of the lovers said Michael was a bottom man... OMG this was the worst ever. Now see, this is... I can't find nothing else disrespectful but to base someone being gay because they talk with a faint whisper and walk in a different way compared to "other men" and that means he was a "total bottom"? I mean, how can you make up stories just to prove someone was a closeted person? I mean, I wouldn't give a fuck if he WAS but just to say that because a "source" claiming to be a "gay lover" said he was, doesn't mean it's true. The book sounds like a bad novel. 
This is from the same man who said Courtney Love killed Kurt Cobain and he reminds me of that character who claimed that both Elvis and John Lennon were gay or at least bisexual.  [Edited 7/20/09 16:27pm] | |
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Timmy84 said: sag10 said: No, I did not see the blog posts.. Ridiculous book.. Oh and one of the lovers said Michael was a bottom man... OMG this was the worst ever. Now see, this is... I can't find nothing else disrespectful but to base someone being gay because they talk with a faint whisper and walk in a different way compared to "other men" and that means he was a "total bottom"? I mean, how can you make up stories just to prove someone was a closeted person? I mean, I wouldn't give a fuck if he WAS but just to say that because a "source" claiming to be a "gay lover" said he was, doesn't mean it's true. The book sounds like a bad novel. Exactly... a bad attempt at writing about a man only few really knew.. But he sells it like he really knew him... And. get this he says in the book he meets Michael, using Ava Gardner as a ploy.. Michael and his kids are eating pizza at this place in LA.. While disgussing Ava he says Michael Put his had over his, and the electricity was flying.. I about pissed my pants. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
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Countthedays said: cdcgold said: i even think paris looks biracial. she doesn't look like the jacksons and she does have white facial features but she's to dark to be just white. she looks like a darker( and better looking) version of debbie. i guess thats where mj's genes came in, the darker color skin and the dark curly/wavy hair. then again some people swear she looks like joe ( i don't see it) but go figure No she does not look like any of the Jackson's,
the girl is WHITE! There are dark skinned white people and it's called a TAN!
[Edited 7/20/09 16:22pm] Well, do assume that she's not biracial all because she has fair-skin, I've seen biracial kids that look like her and I've also seen biracial kids with very dark skin. | |
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cdcgold said: Timmy84 said: I actually hate to associate them with a "color" anymore. They're his kids bottom line. Does biological really matter anymore or bother as Shaq would say? Let's move on from this. They just better handle that custody thing as soon as possible. i think it does matter. if those are mj's kids( and i think they are) then their black, and less face it they were raised black. how do you think they would feel to here people calling them white. Its insulting. wouldn't you get mad if someone called you white. And its so racist the way people say it. They are basically saying all black people have to look alike. I personally think some white people's (cough bill o'reilly} refusal to admit those are his kids is cause they are scared that if a black man can have whiter looking kids that they may have some black in them too. you know they probably start wondering why their grandmother used to tan so well and it probably scares them. [Edited 7/20/09 16:09pm] I don't mean to be funny but your statement itself is totally ignorant, where does the fact that Debbie Rowe is white and gave birth to these kids factor in the whole scheme of your thought? If anything these kids if biologically MJ's are mixed race not 'Black'. It's funny how when it suits the cause they are black and when it doesnt they are (just) mixed race Pft .... do you not see what you say & how you put it across is also racist??? [Edited 7/20/09 16:33pm] [Edited 7/20/09 16:34pm] | |
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sag10 said: Timmy84 said: Now see, this is... I can't find nothing else disrespectful but to base someone being gay because they talk with a faint whisper and walk in a different way compared to "other men" and that means he was a "total bottom"? I mean, how can you make up stories just to prove someone was a closeted person? I mean, I wouldn't give a fuck if he WAS but just to say that because a "source" claiming to be a "gay lover" said he was, doesn't mean it's true. The book sounds like a bad novel. Exactly... a bad attempt at writing about a man only few really knew.. But he sells it like he really knew him... And. get this he says in the book he meets Michael, using Ava Gardner as a ploy.. Michael and his kids are eating pizza at this place in LA.. While disgussing Ava he says Michael Put his had over his, and the electricity was flying.. I about pissed my pants.  Aw hell naw... now you know that's just bad writing. And they give this fucker a deal? The world is in hell, y'all.   | |
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sag10 said: Timmy84 said: Now see, this is... I can't find nothing else disrespectful but to base someone being gay because they talk with a faint whisper and walk in a different way compared to "other men" and that means he was a "total bottom"? I mean, how can you make up stories just to prove someone was a closeted person? I mean, I wouldn't give a fuck if he WAS but just to say that because a "source" claiming to be a "gay lover" said he was, doesn't mean it's true. The book sounds like a bad novel. Exactly... a bad attempt at writing about a man only few really knew.. But he sells it like he really knew him... And. get this he says in the book he meets Michael, using Ava Gardner as a ploy.. Michael and his kids are eating pizza at this place in LA.. While disgussing Ava he says Michael Put his had over his, and the electricity was flying.. I about pissed my pants. Exactly... a bad attempt at writing about a man only few really knew.. What are you talking about Michael knew a lot of people! With Michael's bizzare behavior why would you think he was NOT capable of doing this, especially if he knew the man was gay. Don't you know Michael knew who was gay in the industry and who they associated with? So what if Michael was gay or whether he was a bottom man.  A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconciously translates what he hears into something he can understand. | |
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Timmy84 said: NastradumasKid said: But Timmy, we live in a place (America) that's known for such ignorance and sadly it ain't gonna go away unless people learn to NOT to see people as colors and just.....human beings. I know that, I'm just saying. This country is stuck on stupid. Tell me about it  We got people like Bill O Reilly running around trash folks, especially black people, like Nas all because he performed at the Virginia Tech school, sfter the shoot, and started spewing crap about how Nas was promoting violence and hatre  O Reilly even pronounced his name wrong.
This country sucks, I'm gonna go move somewhere else after college. | |
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NastradumasKid said: Timmy84 said: I know that, I'm just saying. This country is stuck on stupid. Tell me about it We got people like Bill O Reilly running around trash folks, especially black people, like Nas all because he performed at the Virginia Tech school, sfter the shoot, and started spewing crap about how Nas was promoting violence and hatre O Reilly even pronounced his name wrong.
This country sucks, I'm gonna go move somewhere else after college. I was born, raised and continue to live in the South. I notice prejudice (which I really call stupidity) every day. It don't faze me unless directed at me. But luckily I'm human enough to realize that racism is an illness that you get when you're around folks that harbor those attitudes. The only way you can avoid it is not look at it that same way which luckily not every kid has.
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kremlinshadow said: cdcgold said: i think it does matter. if those are mj's kids( and i think they are) then their black, and less face it they were raised black. how do you think they would feel to here people calling them white. Its insulting. wouldn't you get mad if someone called you white. And its so racist the way people say it. They are basically saying all black people have to look alike. I personally think some white people's (cough bill o'reilly} refusal to admit those are his kids is cause they are scared that if a black man can have whiter looking kids that they may have some black in them too. you know they probably start wondering why their grandmother used to tan so well and it probably scares them. [Edited 7/20/09 16:09pm] I don't mean to be funny but your statement itself is totally ignorant, where does the fact that Debbie Rowe is white and gave birth to these kids factor in the whole scheme of your thought? If anything these kids if biologically MJ's are mixed race not 'Black'. It's funny how when it suits the cause they are black and when it doesnt they are (just) mixed race Pft .... do you not see what you say & how you put it across is also racist??? [Edited 7/20/09 16:33pm] [Edited 7/20/09 16:34pm] Question: Are you Black? | |
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NastradumasKid said: Countthedays said: No she does not look like any of the Jackson's,
the girl is WHITE! There are dark skinned white people and it's called a TAN!
[Edited 7/20/09 16:22pm] Well, do assume that she's not biracial all because she has fair-skin, I've seen biracial kids that look like her and I've also seen biracial kids with very dark skin. Have you seen the dark skinned people from India, not to mention Italians with kinky hair and the dark skinned mexicans, it doesn't make them African American. It just mean they have darker skin. A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconciously translates what he hears into something he can understand. | |
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Countthedays said: sag10 said: Exactly... a bad attempt at writing about a man only few really knew.. But he sells it like he really knew him... And. get this he says in the book he meets Michael, using Ava Gardner as a ploy.. Michael and his kids are eating pizza at this place in LA.. While disgussing Ava he says Michael Put his had over his, and the electricity was flying.. I about pissed my pants. Exactly... a bad attempt at writing about a man only few really knew.. What are you talking about Michael knew a lot of people! With Michael's bizzare behavior why would you think he was NOT capable of doing this, especially if he knew the man was gay. Don't you know Michael knew who was gay in the industry and who they associated with? So what if Michael was gay or whether he was a bottom man. They didn't know MJ's inner circle, that's what sag meant. And honestly, if you were a fan, only thing we know is the music, we have no real clue why he lived the way he did and I do think it is speculation to think MJ may have had a secret gay lifestyle. I know he's expecting kudos because he denies the child abuse allegations but the rest of the book sounds like a twisted fairytale. And he did make it his business to know if MJ was what he claims because he went to sources. If he didn't care, he wouldn't have tried to "search" them and then "write their stories". | |
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Timmy84 said: NastradumasKid said: Tell me about it We got people like Bill O Reilly running around trash folks, especially black people, like Nas all because he performed at the Virginia Tech school, sfter the shoot, and started spewing crap about how Nas was promoting violence and hatre O Reilly even pronounced his name wrong.
This country sucks, I'm gonna go move somewhere else after college. I was born, raised and continue to live in the South. I notice prejudice (which I really call stupidity) every day. It don't faze me unless directed at me. But luckily I'm human enough to realize that racism is an illness that you get when you're around folks that harbor those attitudes.
[Edited 7/20/09 16:39pm] I've been to the South and Lawd  Both Black and White people, not all however just some, are just so damn prejudice. . Lawd how do you do it Timmy? | |
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Countthedays said: NastradumasKid said: Well, do assume that she's not biracial all because she has fair-skin, I've seen biracial kids that look like her and I've also seen biracial kids with very dark skin. Have you seen the dark skinned people from India, not to mention Italians with kinky hair and the dark skinned mexicans, it doesn't make them African American. It just mean they have darker skin.  Dude, don't even try me, I was talking about kids who are half black and half white, those kind of biracial kids. [Edited 7/20/09 16:46pm] | |
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NastradumasKid said: Timmy84 said: I was born, raised and continue to live in the South. I notice prejudice (which I really call stupidity) every day. It don't faze me unless directed at me. But luckily I'm human enough to realize that racism is an illness that you get when you're around folks that harbor those attitudes.
[Edited 7/20/09 16:39pm] I've been to the South and Lawd Both Black and White people, not all however just some, are just so damn prejudice. . Lawd how do you do it Timmy?Easy. You just avoid it. We live in a predominantly black area in North Carolina at what my family calls "the country", we have a large field and sometimes my dad will go out riding on his ATV (I rode with him but my ATV started to have trouble so now it's just him). We used to get into some prejudicial shit with Mexicans who will go over there and try to interrupt our riding by taking off steps we put down there so we can ride around the back paths. It stopped after a while though. Since then we've got on real good. The white folks we've encountered have been nothing but nice to us.  | |
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There's no point in debating the children's ethnicities right now.
Until paternity tests are conducted, everything else is just pure speculation. | |
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Timmy84 said: Countthedays said: Exactly... a bad attempt at writing about a man only few really knew.. What are you talking about Michael knew a lot of people! With Michael's bizzare behavior why would you think he was NOT capable of doing this, especially if he knew the man was gay. Don't you know Michael knew who was gay in the industry and who they associated with? So what if Michael was gay or whether he was a bottom man. They didn't know MJ's inner circle, that's what sag meant. And honestly, if you were a fan, only thing we know is the music, we have no real clue why he lived the way he did and I do think it is speculation to think MJ may have had a secret gay lifestyle. I know he's expecting kudos because he denies the child abuse allegations but the rest of the book sounds like a twisted fairytale. And he did make it his business to know if MJ was what he claims because he went to sources. If he didn't care, he wouldn't have tried to "search" them and then "write their stories". Yeah you are right we don't know Michael but don't assume that he is not capable of being gay either. Michael wore more makeup than a female with lacefront wigs, feminine chains with sequence. Come on now he had me wondering a lot of times!  A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconciously translates what he hears into something he can understand. | |
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sneezes said: There's no point in debating the children's ethnicities right now.
Until paternity tests are conducted, everything else is just pure speculation. Thank you. It's just an ignorant debate. | |
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Countthedays said: Timmy84 said: They didn't know MJ's inner circle, that's what sag meant. And honestly, if you were a fan, only thing we know is the music, we have no real clue why he lived the way he did and I do think it is speculation to think MJ may have had a secret gay lifestyle. I know he's expecting kudos because he denies the child abuse allegations but the rest of the book sounds like a twisted fairytale. And he did make it his business to know if MJ was what he claims because he went to sources. If he didn't care, he wouldn't have tried to "search" them and then "write their stories". Yeah you are right we don't know Michael but don't assume that he is not capable of being gay either. Michael wore more makeup than a female with lacefront wigs, feminine chains with sequence. Come on now he had me wondering a lot of times! So did the glam rockers of the '70s and '80s. The thing that is unique about Michael was he's black and androgynous but even with that, it still don't mean much. There's people who don't like to dress up flamboyant that come out of the closet as gay, you know? That's why it sounds like Ian was stereotyping MJ. Ian ain't doing no better than those idiots who stereotype MJ as a...well you know... | |
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sneezes said: There's no point in debating the children's ethnicities right now.
Until paternity tests are conducted, everything else is just pure speculation. It's sad that there's focus on that and some rather talk about it than just ignore it.  | |
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Timmy84 said: Countthedays said: Yeah you are right we don't know Michael but don't assume that he is not capable of being gay either. Michael wore more makeup than a female with lacefront wigs, feminine chains with sequence. Come on now he had me wondering a lot of times! So did the glam rockers of the '70s and '80s. The thing that is unique about Michael was he's black and androgynous but even with that, it still don't mean much. There's people who don't like to dress up flamboyant that come out of the closet as gay, you know? That's why it sounds like Ian was stereotyping MJ. Ian ain't doing no better than those idiots who stereotype MJ as a...well you know... So did the glam rockers of the '70s and '80s. Timmy this isn't the '70s or 80's, and I still say Michael could have been sweeter than sugar cane!
Damn this is a nice picture! 
I can see Michael as a bottom man because he seems so passive. A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconciously translates what he hears into something he can understand. | |
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Countthedays said: Timmy84 said: So did the glam rockers of the '70s and '80s. The thing that is unique about Michael was he's black and androgynous but even with that, it still don't mean much. There's people who don't like to dress up flamboyant that come out of the closet as gay, you know? That's why it sounds like Ian was stereotyping MJ. Ian ain't doing no better than those idiots who stereotype MJ as a...well you know... So did the glam rockers of the '70s and '80s. Timmy this isn't the '70s or 80's, and I still say Michael could have been sweeter than sugar cane!
Damn this is a nice picture!
I can see Michael as a bottom man because he seems so passive. Lord Jesus...
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Timmy84 said: Countthedays said: Yeah you are right we don't know Michael but don't assume that he is not capable of being gay either. Michael wore more makeup than a female with lacefront wigs, feminine chains with sequence. Come on now he had me wondering a lot of times! So did the glam rockers of the '70s and '80s. The thing that is unique about Michael was he's black and androgynous but even with that, it still don't mean much. There's people who don't like to dress up flamboyant that come out of the closet as gay, you know? That's why it sounds like Ian was stereotyping MJ. Ian ain't doing no better than those idiots who stereotype MJ as a...well you know... Just like Prince  and I doubt MJ was gay just asexual really. | |
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NastradumasKid said: Timmy84 said: So did the glam rockers of the '70s and '80s. The thing that is unique about Michael was he's black and androgynous but even with that, it still don't mean much. There's people who don't like to dress up flamboyant that come out of the closet as gay, you know? That's why it sounds like Ian was stereotyping MJ. Ian ain't doing no better than those idiots who stereotype MJ as a...well you know... Just like Prince and I doubt MJ was gay just asexual really.  
I just don't get why people would think because you wear things associated with women that automatically makes you "gay", I just don't buy that. Plus if anything what they do is unisex because men DO like to wear makeup. Not ALL but some do and they're either asexual, bisexual or straight. I mean you can't define one's sexuality by what they wear on their face or body. [Edited 7/20/09 17:04pm] | |
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Countthedays said: Timmy84 said: So did the glam rockers of the '70s and '80s. The thing that is unique about Michael was he's black and androgynous but even with that, it still don't mean much. There's people who don't like to dress up flamboyant that come out of the closet as gay, you know? That's why it sounds like Ian was stereotyping MJ. Ian ain't doing no better than those idiots who stereotype MJ as a...well you know... So did the glam rockers of the '70s and '80s. Timmy this isn't the '70s or 80's, and I still say Michael could have been sweeter than sugar cane!
Damn this is a nice picture!
I can see Michael as a bottom man because he seems so passive.      LAWD!!!!!
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