Uhm, no, You can also blame it on the doctor as much as on Jackson himself.

The greatest part of the profession is taking care of your patients' well-being, you know.

graecophilos said:

THANK YOU! Michael is and will ALWAYS be my idol! I've looked up to him my entire life, but I don't like how people sit on here and blame Joe, Kenny, his family, and everyone else for Michaels poor health. Michael chose not to eat, Michael chose to use these drugs. Michael was in CONTROL OF HIS OWN LIFE. He made those decisions. That's why I defend Joe so much because it wasn't his fault. Joe told him to watch out for the people he surrounds himself with, Katherine constantly told him to eat. What more can they do? Stop blaming everyone else for Michaels own faults.

StillDirrty said:

You mean these two? he looked real good. I was so glad he was going for this look again and now it´s all over.

ViintageJunkiie said:

Of course Michael made a lot of mistakes and was in control of his life, but he was a clearly troubled man who was in need of serious help. When someone's life is out of control, people have to interfere a bit. Just look at Britney and how her dad pretty much took her under his control after she was out of control. She is now back on track with her life!

Too many people in MJ's inner circle didn't have the nerves to go against his wishes and they were afraid of getting fired from their job! At the end, the yes-man prevailed, and MJ lost!

suga10 said:

You can't help someone that doesn't wanna help themselves. Nurses and doctors denied giving Michael certain drugs because they even told him it can lead to death. Michael still went on to use them. He was warned and he bypassed all the warnings people were giving him? What more could they do? His family bombarded his house constantly asking him if he's using drugs, Michael denied. You can only go by what people tell you. If Michael says he's okay, then he's okay. I don't expect people to follow him around all day looking to see if he'll do something harmful to himself. He was surrounded by "yes-men" but like I said, Joe told him from jump to be careful around the people he kept close. Fair warning

I'll just post it here. I feel like we're ALL MICHAEL JACKSON FANS and we should ALL BE ABLE TO READ IT, however, MODS feel free to remove it



Marine sent you a message.

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Subject: for the "followers" fans only, please don't post it on forums.

From Marika :
Dear closest MJ fans,

This is an important message. Some of you are going to hate it. Others will start thinking.

As you may know, few days ago, me and Moon got the luck to be invited on the set of Michael's shooting.
Michael was wearing white pants. Real tight. And a white shirt. Real tight.
As you all know, Michael has been really skinny since the trial. We all talk together and we always say: he is scary skinny.
some of us told him he should eat.

But what Moon and I saw last week horrifed us. He is not scary skinny. He is a skeleton. I saw his back, and wanted to throw up. I never felt a shock like this. And I already knew he was skinny. But this clothes... it was as if he was naked. I was ashamed. I couldn't look at him.

I got out of the set. And what did I told the fans?
"Oh god he is so skinny!" And then, what did I say?
"Oh it was great! yeahhh! I saw Michael on the set! yeah!!!"

I had the same reaction I had since the trial.Saying he is skinny then talk about how great it was. He is now more than skinny. He is a skeleton.
But I can do nothing so let's talk about something else! About how happy I was to meet him.
But to be honnest, I, since this day, feel weird. Like a guilty sensation. It's as if someone was telling me: now you know, you are involved.

I feel that I witnessed reality. For once, he didnt had a coat on, a big shirt, big trousers. For once, I saw the reality of his situation. For once, I can't say "he is skinny". I have to say: he may die.
I feel like I already knew but didnt want to accept it.

Honestly, I think I was like everyone of you. We are worried for 5 minutes but then, the only thing we can think about is: I want to see Michael, I want to get a hug, I want to say I love you... I think about myself and my happiness.

But I started to wonder: Michael rehearse everyday, he is surronded by 200 people, that work with him everyday. But who are those people?
Dancers that are living their dream, Kenny Ortega who is producing his best show ever, technicians, Michael security, Michael Bush.. and KAren Faye.
No family, no friends, no one.
Karen is the only one to have love for Michael. So I mailed her. I wanted to know if people were blind or doing nothing?

Here is her answer:

Hi Marika,

I know.
I am doing everything humanly possible...your heart and mine are in the same place.
Please keep this private for his sake.
Love,
Karen
Shanti, Shanti, Shanti


When I read that, I realized I was right.
She is doing something. But what can she do?
And keep this private for his sake? How can it help?

As we all know, Michael listen to no one. He does whatever he wants.
And if you know a litlle bit about anorexia, you know that if you tell them to eat, it's completly useless.
So Karen may tell him "privatly" to eat. He won't.
People in his situation need a shock to start doing something.

So here is my question to all of you:

We all love Michael really much. We all want to see his shows. We all think about how we will be first row. About how we will get more tickets.
About how we will meet him more than the others fans. About getting a picture with him. About not hurting him.

How will you do all of these things if during the third concert he faints on stage, and if his heart stops during his way to the hospital?
How will you feel when you will talk with others fans and will say: We knew he was too skinny to perform 50 shows. We knew he stopped eating during the trial and reheare 10 hours per day for us.

How will you feel when you will say: people said he was doing fine but they lied. We saw he was a skeleton.
Will you feel guilty? Will you be able to sleep at night thinking you knew it and did nothing?

Some of you are going to say:

"He has doctors with him"
"They wouldnt let him dance if he was not healthy"
"I don't want to do something, it would hurt him"

Well let me tell you this:

If he had doctors with him, he would have gained weight.
No one saw Lou Ferrigno somewhere around rehearsals or Michael's house.
On the set, I watched people around Michael. Everyone was avoiding Michael, looking somewhere else. They were all working on their video.
Too many money involved. You dont want to be fired because you told Michael Jackson to eat.
You all know Michael's employees will never take the risk to lose their job. They dont love Michael this much.

And for those who have been to Carolwood, you all know that Michael is completly alone there.

If you get this email, it means you are part of the MJ's fans who know that Michael is not Peter Pan, Michael is not 100% perfect, and that at this day, we are the only ones left who love Michael enough to try to make a difference.

We all saw Michael at his worst, and we all see him still alive.
But just think 5 minutes that this skeleton that Michael has become is going to perform 2 hours every night during 3 months.
Will you be able to do it?
Models die at 18 from anorexia because their heart stop. And they just walk on a catwalk.

Michael is 51. He dances 10 hours per day. And is going to dance 2 hours every night during 3 months.
Do you think he will be ok?

Now that you know, are you going to do something or are you going to fight with other fans to get the best meeting with him?

Please, let's think about the best solution to help him realize. He needs to be shocked by us. We need to make him react.
And unfortunalty, we may have to hurt his feelings somehow.
But if he stays alive, isnt it worth it?

So please let's all discuss it together, to find a way to save him. And I don't think "save" is too exagerated.
I am sorry if I didnt listen to Karen, but I dont think I betray a secret.
I know some of you will throw rocks on me. I don't care if Michael eats again.

Marika

ViintageJunkiie said:

Of course Michael made a lot of mistakes and was in control of his life, but he was a clearly troubled man who was in need of serious help. When someone's life is out of control, people have to interfere a bit. Just look at Britney and how her dad pretty much took her under his control after she was out of control. She is now back on track with her life!

Too many people in MJ's inner circle didn't have the nerves to go against his wishes and they were afraid of getting fired from their job! At the end, the yes-man prevailed, and MJ lost!

How F*ckin stupid was AEG to not notice that this man was clearly not capable of doing 50 shows?

I don't believe one bit that he passed any physical. In showbiz, anything is possible to accomplish given them amount of crooks behind the scenes.

They didn't care about MJ's well-being, they wanted the money.
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onenitealone said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

What I want to know is how MJ even got clearance to go ahead and do 50 shows??

He was constantly seen going to doctors over and over again week by week. Clearly if you're going to a doctor that much on a week by week basis, and the paparazzi are catching you there on every single trip, something is obviously wrong.
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suga10 said:

Michael knew he wasn't capable of doing those 50 shows, so why did he go along with it? You can't blame AEG for that. Michael could have said, "look, I don't think i'm up for 50 shows. I'm not physically fit to handle this". Even though the shows were going to span out to 8 months, that left so much room for Michael to voice his concerns. Michael knew.

suga10 said:

Michael knew he wasn't capable of doing those 50 shows, so why did he go along with it? You can't blame AEG for that. Michael could have said, "look, I don't think i'm up for 50 shows. I'm not physically fit to handle this". Even though the shows were going to span out to 8 months, that left so much room for Michael to voice his concerns. Michael knew.

ViintageJunkiie said:

That is true. He did agree to the shows. He didn't wanna do it the first two times he was asked.

ViintageJunkiie said:

The fan on MJJC who told about her experience with Michael said, that AEG added all the 50 shows behind his back, and he only committed to 10 shows.

Timmy84 said:

There could have been a bit misunderstanding along the way too regarding the organization of the show. Wasn't Dr.Tohme handling Michael's business? Remember that whole auction mess awhile back.
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ViintageJunkiie said:

The fan on MJJC who told about her experience with Michael said, that AEG added all the 50 shows behind his back, and he only committed to 10 shows.

Michael Joseph (Smiley) Jackson, the angelic-voiced lead singer of the world famous vocal quintet of Jackson brothers, is a handsome young man whose onstage magnetism and magic are exceeded only by his offstage majesty and meek heartedness.

Born the fifth of six talented sons of Joseph and Katherine Jackson in Gary, Ind., nearly 21 years ago (Aug. 29, 195 , he is a Virgo, whose trait is unselfishness, and is moved by magnetic forces which draw so many admirers into his life that love is his for the taking. And his love-struck fans often do strange things to show their affection for him.

When one beautiful Black teenager recently boarded a packed plane and spotted him seated with his brothers, she stared in disbelief, began breathing heavily and became so excited that she started wetting in her panties and froze in her tracks as urine trickled down her legs.

At the arrival gate where girls had gathered to meet the Jacksons, a blonde teenager squeezed through the crushing crowd, slipped past security guards, pulled Michael toward her and tried to make him kiss her.

Returning recently from a world tour celebrating their 10th anniversary in show business, Michael, the only Jackson son who has reached the age of consent and is still unmarried, waded through a room full of mail, sorting out those proposing marriage. Bashful Michael answered them the same: “Thank you for the beautiful letter. It’s very nice. And we will always love you. Love, Michael Jackson and the Jacksons.”

Mild-mannered Micahel makes it clear that he gets no satisfaction writing the same letter to all of those female fans who want him for a husband. But he responds in brief dignity because he actually fears love-sick fans.

Sitting in the living room of his family’s home located on a parcel of land in Encino, Calif., purchased form the sprawling estate of the late lady-killer actor Clark Gable of Gone With The Wind fame, the young and eligible bachelor talked about marriage, dating and a wide range of topics which deeply concern him.

“I don’t like to break hearts,” he said solemnly and shyly, shifting his 5-foot, 9 ½ -inch body in a sofa chair. “I don’t really know these people and, gosh, it’s a weird thing.” He continued:

“That, I think, is the weird part about show business. You portray an image. And those people are into you so long, buying your records. You’re all over their walls. They wake up seeing you. They wake up thinking about you. You’re totally on their mind. And when they meet you in person, they feel they have been knowing you for a long time. But I don’t know them. You see, that’s the painful part of show business—the breaking of the hearts. Do you know what that does to them? God, some of them go to the point of committing suicide because they get real serious. That’s what I don’t know how to handle.”

For the young female bubblegum crowd whose voices are now turning from no to yes, he is especially fearful. About them he says, “You have to be careful because sometimes love can reverse on you. They feel they can’t get you and they’ll go to the point of plotting and planning terrible things on you or do terrible things to hurt you. That’s why it’s important to be nice, but sincerely nice.”

He recalled the nasty rumor that surfaced last year, falsely claiming that he had undergone a sex change. The rumor is not dead yet and he said his encounter with a love-crazed blonde at the aforementioned airport helps to revive it. “This beautiful girl with blonde hair was trying her hardest to pull me into her to kiss her,” Michael remembers. “She said, ‘You’re so sexy, kiss me.’ When I showed no kind of interest in her, she said, ‘What’s wrong, you fag?’ and walked off.”

He laments that he still has to tell people: “There’s a reason why I was created male. I’m not a girl. And what kills me the most and makes me want to break down in tears is when little kids, seven and eight, come to me asking me that. I say, no, and please tell all your other little friends it’s not true.”

What disturbs Michael more than the rumor is the kind of mail he receives from some of the bubble gum set. “You wouldn’t believe the mail I get. I mean some of it gets real vulgar,” he revealed. To him, such mail is as shocking as seeing a priest at a movie house watching The Devil And Mrs. Jones or Deep Throat. “Some of the mail gets real funky, not polite at all,” he says. “They tell you the stuff they want to do to you and everything, and how they’re going to do it. I just read and go, ‘Oh my God, these girls.’ There’s not much charm in girls anymore, like the guy used to always pick up the phone and call the girl. She would never call the guy. She would sit there all day until the phone would ring for her. But now the girls bother you to death….You see girls today 11 years old with bags and lipstick and eyeliner and lashes as well. They feel they’re women and they’re not.”

Don’t get the impression that the soft-spoken singer is a saint or square. Looking like the cliché description—tall, dark, and handsome—Michael is very much aware that he can now do at age 20 what he used to sing about when he was 10. One well-known witness is Oscar-winning actress Tatum O’Neal, teenaged daughter of actor Ryan O’Neal.

A reporter for Modern People two years ago quoted Miss O’Neal as once saying she couldn’t wait to have her first affair. If she followed up the widely publicized comment with action involving manly Michael, he is not the kind to kiss and tell. He declined to discuss intimate details of dating Tatum, but was anxious to set the record straight about their romance. First, he readily admits the parallels in their lives: Both have protective parents. Tatum is a daddy’s girl and Michael is a mama’s boy. Both are attractive and wealthy. She rides in a chauffeur-driven Rolls-Royce and millionaire Michael drives his own Rolls. Both are very shy. Michael is one of the brightest stars of the future and Tatum is, too.

“I want all those people who read JET to just know that we’re mainly good friends,” Michael assured. Admitting that there have been criticisms about their relations, Michael mused: “People take it to crazy means and crazy extents and I just tell them we’re really, really, really good friends. That’s all I say. They say, ‘Well how good friends are you? Is there any romance going on?’ I say, yes sometimes but not all the time.”

Although dating is part of his lifestyle, he is more interested in developing a new lifestyle around his family’s home which is now undergoing extensive renovations. Emphasizing that he is not ready to move out on his own like his four married brothers (Jackie, Jermaine, Tito and Marlon), Michael explains:

“I’ve always wanted to do this for my mother. She loves homes and everything and I do things by feeling and force. I don’t feel that it’s time for me to move away yet. There are so many things I want to do just staying here.

“If I move out now, I would die of loneliness. Most people who move out go to discos every night. They party every night. They invite friends over and I don’t do any of those things. I would really die of loneliness.”

Michael’s renovation plans will include the addiction of a tennis court, a remodeled swimming pool, a gym room, a movie room, a rehearsal studio and a library.

Living at home with his mother, Katherine, father Joseph, brother Randy, and sisters, Janet and LaToya, the young entertainer explores his many talents and grapples with social and religious concerns.

Uppermost among his concerns are religion and racism. A devout Jehovah’s Witness, like his mother, he says: “I believe in the Bible and I try to follow the Bible. I know that I’m not an angel and I’m not a devil either. I try to be as best as I can and I try to do what I think is right. It’s that simple….I don’t just pray at night. I pray at different times during the day. Whenever I see something beautiful, I say, ‘Oh, God, that’s beautiful.’ I say little prayers like that all through the day.”

To cope with the stresses of show business, Michael says he turns to his deity, not drugs. “As corny as it sounds, natural highs are the greatest highs in the world,” he attests. “The stars, the mountains, children, babies smiling are just magic,” he happily beamed.

The one thing that dims this glow is the pervasive racism that’s rampant in the world today, especially in America, the world traveler observes. Recalling how badly the singing Jacksons have been treated in southern cities, he said that it was difficult to believe.

“The people told us just deal with it (racism) because that’s how the South is,” he said and added: “That’s ignorance and it’s taught because it’s not genetic at all.

“I’m really not a prejudiced person at all. I believe that people should think about God more and creation because if you look at the many wonders inside the human bodies—the different colors of organs…and all these colors do different things in the human body—why can’t we do it as people?

“That (racism) is the only thing I hate. I really do. And that’s why I try to write, put it in songs, put it in dance, put it in my art—to teach the world. If politicians can’t do it, poets should put it in poetry and writers should put it in novels. That’s what we have to do and I think it’s so important to save the world.”

As widely read as he is traveled, Michael, a private high school graduate who once quit public school because girls were always screaming and pulling on him, said: “I love to read. I wish I could advise more people to read. There’s a whole new world in books. If you can’t afford to travel, you travel mentally through reading. You can see anything and go anyplace you want to in reading.”

Traveling and reading have greatly influenced his religious and racial views. About his travels, Michael explains: “Wherever you go, man-made things are man-made, but you’ve got to get out and see God’s beauty of the world.”

Reflecting upon America’s racial problems, he said: “I wish I could borrow from other countries, say, like Venezuela or Trinidad, the real love and color-blind people and bring it to America. When you travel, you realize how different America is. God, I hate to say this but our people are brainwashed.”

Of all his travels, he says his most emotional and moving experiences came in travels in Dakar, Senegal. “I’m going to raise my hand (to God) on this one,” he lit up like a light. “I always thought that Blacks, as far as artistry, were the most talented race on earth. But when I went to Africa, I was even more convinced. They do incredible things over there….They got the beats and the rhythm. I really see where drums come from. It makes you think that all Blacks have rhythm….I don’t want the Blacks to ever forget that this is where we come from and where our music comes from. And if we forget, it (Black history) would really get lost. I want us to remember.”

suga10 said:

Money and greed.

I really love this song!

graecophilos said:

THANK YOU! Michael is and will ALWAYS be my idol! I've looked up to him my entire life, but I don't like how people sit on here and blame Joe, Kenny, his family, and everyone else for Michaels poor health. Michael chose not to eat, Michael chose to use these drugs. Michael was in CONTROL OF HIS OWN LIFE. He made those decisions. That's why I defend Joe so much because it wasn't his fault. Joe told him to watch out for the people he surrounds himself with, Katherine constantly told him to eat. What more can they do? Stop blaming everyone else for Michaels own faults.

pplrain said:

oh, and you're sure he read the small print of his contracts?

Do you really belive they could add another 40 shows wuthout his permission?

I'm sure there was sth like "If the ten shows sell out, we are allowed to add another shows etc..."

Jackson was probably on drugs when he signed the contract.

graecophilos said:

I think he was... also I honestly think MJ meant well, I am sure he felt he could pull it off. This is why I think his doctor is a quack, medically speaking he should have seen some signs.

pplrain said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you fail a physical, aren't you not allowed to perform anyways?

How could the doctors not detect any drugs in his body at that point???

What was a cardiologist doing hanging around with Michael Jackson in the last couple of months of his life??? If Jackson needed sleep, he would have gotten an anesthesiologist like he's done in the past according to reports.

A lot of things don't make sense at all.
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Man, I love this picture . For some reasn I get this weird R Kelly vibe from it.....I finally understand where Kells got if from.

NastradumasKid said:

Looks like Chris took inspiration

Man, I love this picture . For some reasn I get this weird R Kelly vibe from it[b].....I finally understand where Kells got if from. [/b]