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PrintabledaPrettyman said: shorttrini said: Kinda like Babyface. I never was a fan of Face's voice, but he could write one hell of a song. The major difference is that Babyface actually paid some dues. He actually had to LEARN how to be a great songwriter. I disagree. Song writing comes from one's experience in life and your ability to interpret those experiences into song. (You might need someone's help with song structure, but that leans upon the more technical side of things). John and Paul were two of the greatest song writer's in history, they wrote about their experiences growing up and what came out of that were great songs. Most of the songs that Ne-Yo has written come from his own experience, this is also true about Babyface. It is when ONE learns how to "write" a song is where the trouble begins, because it starts to sound manufactured...Your ideas as an artist tend to get lost in the shuffle of "The Formula", whatever that formula is...It was certainly not yours,(the song writer), when you first started. [Edited 4/5/09 7:14am] "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" | |
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I used to think he was pretty good compared to other r'n'b acts but now that I've learned he wrote a song ripping off the Jackson 5's 'It's Great To Be Here' I wonder how many of his other songs have just been rip offs | |
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Arnotts said: I used to think he was pretty good compared to other r'n'b acts but now that I've learned he wrote a song ripping off the Jackson 5's 'It's Great To Be Here' I wonder how many of his other songs have just been rip offs
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shorttrini said: daPrettyman said: The major difference is that Babyface actually paid some dues. He actually had to LEARN how to be a great songwriter. I disagree. Song writing comes from one's experience in life and your ability to interpret those experiences into song. (You might need someone's help with song structure, but that leans upon the more technical side of things). John and Paul were two of the greatest song writer's in history, they wrote about their experiences growing up and what came out of that were great songs. Most of the songs that Ne-Yo has written come from his own experience, this is also true about Babyface. It is when ONE learns how to "write" a song is where the trouble begins, because it starts to sound manufactured...Your ideas as an artist tend to get lost in the shuffle of "The Formula", whatever that formula is...It was certainly not yours,(the song writer), when you first started. [Edited 4/5/09 7:14am] I c ur point and I agree with your view, but the major difference is that Ne-Yo, imo, hasn't learned the true essence of a great song. Sure, lyrics come from a different place, but Ne-Yo hasn't achieved the talent of writing a GREAT song. He's just still writing ok songs imo. Also, he tends to sample a lot and bite off lyrics a lot. He has done it with so many of his songs where he has adjusted lyrics. [Edited 4/5/09 18:41pm] **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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WisdomNLove said: JasonWill1980 said: do you thnik Ne-Yo is an underrated artist...?
I mean he's a good songwriter, shouldn't he be one of the most popular artists out there instead of Beyonce? [Edited 4/2/09 23:51pm] I dont think he's underrated, he writes the same songs over and over again, changing a lyric here and there, occassionally getting creative, he's just an ok dancer, looks wise just ok, he could loose 10-15 pounds and do something to get back his hair line  , vocally sounds just ok, doesnt try anything crazy with his voice, pretty predictable at this point
I agree with Graycap23, AVERAGE at best Wait... because he isn't better looking you don't think he deserve credit as an artist? What is this? American Idol? We're not talking about why he isn't more popular or selling more CDs, we're talking about why he isn't more accepted as a legit musician. By your standards, no good musicians over 40 exist (except for Prince  ) | |
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daPrettyman said: shorttrini said: I disagree. Song writing comes from one's experience in life and your ability to interpret those experiences into song. (You might need someone's help with song structure, but that leans upon the more technical side of things). John and Paul were two of the greatest song writer's in history, they wrote about their experiences growing up and what came out of that were great songs. Most of the songs that Ne-Yo has written come from his own experience, this is also true about Babyface. It is when ONE learns how to "write" a song is where the trouble begins, because it starts to sound manufactured...Your ideas as an artist tend to get lost in the shuffle of "The Formula", whatever that formula is...It was certainly not yours,(the song writer), when you first started. [Edited 4/5/09 7:14am] I c ur point and I agree with your view, but the major difference is that Ne-Yo, imo, hasn't learned the true essence of a great song. Sure, lyrics come from a different place, but Ne-Yo hasn't achieved the talent of writing a GREAT song. He's just still writing ok songs imo. Also, he tends to sample a lot and bite off lyrics a lot. He has done it with so many of his songs where he has adjusted lyrics. [Edited 4/5/09 18:41pm] Well, Face has forgotten what it is like to write a great song. For me the listener, it's the lyrics that make a great song. Babyface, had the ability to write lyrics that touch the heart of the listener,("Water Runs Dry") this is one of the greatest songs that he has ever written, because the lyrics sound like an actual conversation between two people, not a song. Ne-Yo, has this ability. When you listen to "Do You", it sounds like an actual conversation between two people. This is why I think he is a great song writer. His lyrics touch me the listener and to me, this is most important. As for him sampling, or "biting" off of other songs, rappers have been doing that for years; Mary J, is also guilty of this? So, this is just something that is going on in today's so called R&B world. The thing is, as much as we the listener complain about it, some of us STILL go out and support Mary and rappers who are guilty of doing the same thing that we are accusing Ne-Yo of doing. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" | |
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shorttrini said: daPrettyman said: I c ur point and I agree with your view, but the major difference is that Ne-Yo, imo, hasn't learned the true essence of a great song. Sure, lyrics come from a different place, but Ne-Yo hasn't achieved the talent of writing a GREAT song. He's just still writing ok songs imo. Also, he tends to sample a lot and bite off lyrics a lot. He has done it with so many of his songs where he has adjusted lyrics. [Edited 4/5/09 18:41pm] Well, Face has forgotten what it is like to write a great song. For me the listener, it's the lyrics that make a great song. Babyface, had the ability to write lyrics that touch the heart of the listener,("Water Runs Dry") this is one of the greatest songs that he has ever written, because the lyrics sound like an actual conversation between two people, not a song. Ne-Yo, has this ability. When you listen to "Do You", it sounds like an actual conversation between two people. This is why I think he is a great song writer. His lyrics touch me the listener and to me, this is most important. As for him sampling, or "biting" off of other songs, rappers have been doing that for years; Mary J, is also guilty of this? So, this is just something that is going on in today's so called R&B world. The thing is, as much as we the listener complain about it, some of us STILL go out and support Mary and rappers who are guilty of doing the same thing that we are accusing Ne-Yo of doing. I agree with "Do You". I think it is one of the best songs that Ne-Yo has written. As for Face, I want to ask you if you have ever heard the unreleased "A Love Story" album. It proved that Babyface was still a great songwriter, but the record company didn't think the album was commercial enough and didn't release it. His "Grown and Sexy" album is a very good album also, with great songs. I also like his latest single, "I Need A Love Song" because it is a solid song (even if it is produced as a pop sounding song). I still think Face has it as a great songwriter. I just think his personal life overtook his creative side for a while. In compairson to Ne-Yo, I think Ne-Yo is still very "hit and miss" when it comes to his songwriting right now. His latest project is very weak to me. I also didn't care for the songs he co-wrote on Janet's album. They were all very elementary. I think that Ne-Yo will continue to have success for right now. He is one of the best writers now, but compared to what 's out there, he is good. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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Ne-Yo is severely underrated and in this wave of so-called R'n'B (a.k.a SHIT), he's an Oasis, in that he is actually a damn good songwriter. Maybe not the best singer, but neither was Babyface imo.
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LivingSilver said: WisdomNLove said: I dont think he's underrated, he writes the same songs over and over again, changing a lyric here and there, occassionally getting creative, he's just an ok dancer, looks wise just ok, he could loose 10-15 pounds and do something to get back his hair line , vocally sounds just ok, doesnt try anything crazy with his voice, pretty predictable at this point
I agree with Graycap23, AVERAGE at best Wait... because he isn't better looking you don't think he deserve credit as an artist? What is this? American Idol? We're not talking about why he isn't more popular or selling more CDs, we're talking about why he isn't more accepted as a legit musician. By your standards, no good musicians over 40 exist (except for Prince )haha nooo, that was just an overall summary of reasons why he wouldnt be as recognized as other artists, some times looks overrid talent, i.e. Rihanna but I dont think he is as credited because the songs released are average at best. some of neyos best work has probably never been heard, songs he wrote for other artists or himself that never made it as singles, etc. maybe we havent heard or seen the best or better of neyo yet, there are many artists that can do what he can do, i.e. Justin timberlake songwriting wise, performing wise, nothing about Ne-yo separates himself from the pact there are tons of artists over 40 I love\  [Edited 4/10/09 8:28am] | |
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