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Walmart Phasing Out Music Sales...And That Revenue Isn't Coming Back

http://www.alleyinsider.c...-any-other

Coming soon to Wal-Mart: The new AC/DC album. Not coming to Wal-Mart for much longer: Most other music.

Following in the footsteps of the Eagles and Journey (and Garth Brooks, too), Sony's (SNE) AC/DC will sell its next CD exclusively at Wal-Mart. The WSJ notes that this has worked very well for both the retailer and the handful of artists that have cut deals with the chain. But the paper also notes that Wal-Mart, like the rest of the big box retailers, no longer sees the value in selling music in general, and is cutting back on the rest of its offerings:

But even as it strikes novel deals with a handful of artists and labels, Wal-Mart is preparing changes in its approach to selling the vast majority of music. It is unclear what the upshot of those changes will be, but one likely scenario involves cuts in the number of music titles the chain carries... Wal-Mart executives, frustrated by perennially declining CD sales, have been quietly exploring changes in their approach to selling music. The company has described different versions of its potential new strategy to different players in the music industry.

This is a trend that's been developing for some time, and one we wrote about last year: All of the big retailers have been cutting back on the amount of space they're dedicating to music sales.

But a retail cutback could be much more damaging than any single year revenue decline. In a worst-case scenario, and one we think is quite likely, a cutback sets off a self-fulfilling prophecy: Retailers stock less music, so consumers have less to choose from, and then buy even less, causing retailers to stock even less. Repeat.

But isn't this good news for Amazon, iTunes and everyone else who sells music online? Won't people who can't get a CD at Wal-Mart head to the Web to instead? We don't think so.

Wal-Mart (WMT), Target (TGT), Best Buy (BBY) sell the majority of music in this country, but they're generally not selling it to people who are looking to buy music. They're at the store to buy a refrigerator, or socks, or whatever. Reduce the amount of floorspace you dedicate to music, and those sales go away. And they're not coming back, period.
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Reply #1 posted 08/26/08 8:39am

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where is lastdecember at? lol I'm sure he will have alot of insight.
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Reply #2 posted 08/26/08 8:47am

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I'd like to say thanks to the person or people who created the concept of internet shopping. lol
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Reply #3 posted 08/26/08 8:53am

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silverchild said:

I'd like to say thanks to the person or people who created the concept of internet shopping. lol



most shopping will be done like that. It will all be window shopping in show rooms and the item will be ordered via the internet and shipped. shrug
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Reply #4 posted 08/26/08 11:39am

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horatio said:

silverchild said:

I'd like to say thanks to the person or people who created the concept of internet shopping. lol



most shopping will be done like that. It will all be window shopping in show rooms and the item will be ordered via the internet and shipped. shrug


and if u want the best deals i use this website

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Reply #5 posted 08/26/08 11:46am

Timmy84

Fuck it, I'll go to Target, FYE and Best Buy. lol Or have my brother's friend burn shit that I need. lol
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Reply #6 posted 08/26/08 11:50am

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Timmy84 said:

Fuck it, I'll go to Target, FYE and Best Buy. lol Or have my brother's friend burn shit that I need. lol

Funny you mention Target. That's where I usually get my cds anyway. The only drawback to Target is that they don't carry a lot of "old" stuff. Wal-Mart carries a lot of classic albums on cd (depending on the Wal-Mart you go to). You can also stumble up on imports and singles at Walmart and you don't get those at Target.
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Reply #7 posted 08/26/08 12:05pm

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Timmy84 said:

Fuck it, I'll go to Target, FYE and Best Buy. lol Or have my brother's friend burn shit that I need. lol

Funny you mention Target. That's where I usually get my cds anyway. The only drawback to Target is that they don't carry a lot of "old" stuff. Wal-Mart carries a lot of classic albums on cd (depending on the Wal-Mart you go to). You can also stumble up on imports and singles at Walmart and you don't get those at Target.


Yeah I know, the only reason I go to Walmart is get classic CDs or compilations mostly. I rarely get new joints unless I'm interested in picking it up and recently I've set to buy DVDs and stuff I really need, lol.
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Timmy84 said:

daPrettyman said:


Funny you mention Target. That's where I usually get my cds anyway. The only drawback to Target is that they don't carry a lot of "old" stuff. Wal-Mart carries a lot of classic albums on cd (depending on the Wal-Mart you go to). You can also stumble up on imports and singles at Walmart and you don't get those at Target.


Yeah I know, the only reason I go to Walmart is get classic CDs or compilations mostly. I rarely get new joints unless I'm interested in picking it up and recently I've set to buy DVDs and stuff I really need, lol.



Shit I live in Manhattan and have never set foot in a Wal-Mart lol
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Reply #9 posted 08/26/08 12:55pm

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banks said:

Timmy84 said:



Yeah I know, the only reason I go to Walmart is get classic CDs or compilations mostly. I rarely get new joints unless I'm interested in picking it up and recently I've set to buy DVDs and stuff I really need, lol.



Shit I live in Manhattan and have never set foot in a Wal-Mart lol
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Some of us aren't so lucky. Hell, where I grew up in East Texas, going to Wal-mart was like going to a major shopping mall for most people. Come on, where else can you get your oil changed, buy a bbq grill, and buy fresh vegetables....oh and get your hunting and fishing license?
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Reply #10 posted 08/26/08 1:06pm

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daPrettyman said:

banks said:




Shit I live in Manhattan and have never set foot in a Wal-Mart lol
[Edited 8/26/08 12:44pm]

Some of us aren't so lucky. Hell, where I grew up in East Texas, going to Wal-mart was like going to a major shopping mall for most people. Come on, where else can you get your oil changed, buy a bbq grill, and buy fresh vegetables....oh and get your hunting and fishing license?


Yeah, here in NC, we treat Walmart like the damn mall!
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Reply #11 posted 08/26/08 2:22pm

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Walmart never had any music in their store that was worth a damn anyway. All they carried was the most popular stuff, and that goes for old as well as new stuff.

Best Buy isn't much better. They have some good stuff on their website, but just like Walmart, in their stores is nothing but the most popular stuff, both old and new.

I buy all my CDs from a local owned store called Be-Bop Records here in town, which has three locations. However, the best selection I had seen in town for years was in Circuit City but they started phasing out a lot of their old stuff and adding more of the new bullshit.
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Reply #12 posted 08/26/08 2:31pm

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SoulAlive said:

where is lastdecember at? lol I'm sure he will have alot of insight.


Thank You, called this awhile ago, and i just witnessed it in the Best Buy in midtown NYC, they were downsizing their entire music stock and music dvd stock, sending back 40% of it also. Its here folks, its over, the thought that these stores could sell their shit for 9.99 is over, common sense, you cant sell it for 9.99 and pay 13-14 for it from the label, these stores cannot function at that loss anymore and music is NOTHING but a loss to these stores, the reason its hurting more now, is that the interest in music is nowhere near where it was years ago, plus the other things that these stores sell, like electronics, tvs etc..are not making money for them like they used to, so when you look at the big picture you get rid off what is losing you money, MUSIC, later, bye bye nice knowing. And trust me this will trickle down to little mom and pop stores, indie shops and things like that, ive seen a few NYC "trademark" stores close already over this summer, also VIrgin will be closing both stores by the end of next year, possibly sooner.

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Reply #13 posted 08/26/08 2:33pm

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Walmart sells shit music here.

I have to go to HMV who have everything and anything.
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Reply #14 posted 08/26/08 2:41pm

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luv4u said:

Walmart sells shit music here.

I have to go to HMV who have everything and anything.


In the states this will affect every chain, FYE is hanging by a thread, they have already been closing stores non stop, the Big box stores are getting rid of music, so my advice if you are looking for a catalog cd, hit up amazon.com, all music stores will be done in the states

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Reply #15 posted 08/26/08 6:38pm

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Just so long as they don't phase out those impulse buys. wink

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Reply #16 posted 08/27/08 6:15am

SoulAlive

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Walmart never had any music in their store that was worth a damn anyway. All they carried was the most popular stuff, and that goes for old as well as new stuff.Best Buy isn't much better. They have some good stuff on their website, but just like Walmart, in their stores is nothing but the most popular stuff, both old and new.I buy all my CDs from a local owned store called Be-Bop Records here in town, which has three locations. However, the best selection I had seen in town for years was in Circuit City but they started phasing out a lot of their old stuff and adding more of the new bullshit.


I really miss Tower Records confused Places like Best Buy,Wal Mart and Target mainly only carry the new releases.Problem is,I mostly buy the old stuff lol In my area,we have a large independent store called Rasputins' and they're great.I shop there and I buy alot of stuff on-line too.Still,it would be nice if Tower was still around.
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SoulAlive said:

vainandy said:

Walmart never had any music in their store that was worth a damn anyway. All they carried was the most popular stuff, and that goes for old as well as new stuff.Best Buy isn't much better. They have some good stuff on their website, but just like Walmart, in their stores is nothing but the most popular stuff, both old and new.I buy all my CDs from a local owned store called Be-Bop Records here in town, which has three locations. However, the best selection I had seen in town for years was in Circuit City but they started phasing out a lot of their old stuff and adding more of the new bullshit.


I really miss Tower Records confused Places like Best Buy,Wal Mart and Target mainly only carry the new releases.Problem is,I mostly buy the old stuff lol In my area,we have a large independent store called Rasputins' and they're great.I shop there and I buy alot of stuff on-line too.Still,it would be nice if Tower was still around.



I miss Tower too. I used to love browsing. Now I just point and click.
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daPrettyman said:

http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/8/want-the-new-ac-dc-album-head-to-wal-mart-want-any-other

Coming soon to Wal-Mart: The new AC/DC album. Not coming to Wal-Mart for much longer: Most other music.

Following in the footsteps of the Eagles and Journey (and Garth Brooks, too), Sony's (SNE) AC/DC will sell its next CD exclusively at Wal-Mart. The WSJ notes that this has worked very well for both the retailer and the handful of artists that have cut deals with the chain. But the paper also notes that Wal-Mart, like the rest of the big box retailers, no longer sees the value in selling music in general, and is cutting back on the rest of its offerings:

But even as it strikes novel deals with a handful of artists and labels, Wal-Mart is preparing changes in its approach to selling the vast majority of music. It is unclear what the upshot of those changes will be, but one likely scenario involves cuts in the number of music titles the chain carries... Wal-Mart executives, frustrated by perennially declining CD sales, have been quietly exploring changes in their approach to selling music. The company has described different versions of its potential new strategy to different players in the music industry.

This is a trend that's been developing for some time, and one we wrote about last year: All of the big retailers have been cutting back on the amount of space they're dedicating to music sales.

But a retail cutback could be much more damaging than any single year revenue decline. In a worst-case scenario, and one we think is quite likely, a cutback sets off a self-fulfilling prophecy: Retailers stock less music, so consumers have less to choose from, and then buy even less, causing retailers to stock even less. Repeat.

But isn't this good news for Amazon, iTunes and everyone else who sells music online? Won't people who can't get a CD at Wal-Mart head to the Web to instead? We don't think so.

Wal-Mart (WMT), Target (TGT), Best Buy (BBY) sell the majority of music in this country, but they're generally not selling it to people who are looking to buy music. They're at the store to buy a refrigerator, or socks, or whatever. Reduce the amount of floorspace you dedicate to music, and those sales go away. And they're not coming back, period.

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Now will some of you admit that CD sells are down. Even the retailers are done with music.
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Reply #19 posted 08/27/08 6:48am

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JackieBlue said:

SoulAlive said:



I really miss Tower Records confused Places like Best Buy,Wal Mart and Target mainly only carry the new releases.Problem is,I mostly buy the old stuff lol In my area,we have a large independent store called Rasputins' and they're great.I shop there and I buy alot of stuff on-line too.Still,it would be nice if Tower was still around.



I miss Tower too. I used to love browsing. Now I just point and click.


Tower Records is so nostalgic for me.I remember going there as a kid in the 70s,spending my allowance on 45s.I also remember going there at 9:00 AM on Tuesdays when new albums were released.
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Reply #20 posted 08/27/08 6:51am

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JackieBlue said:




I miss Tower too. I used to love browsing. Now I just point and click.


Tower Records is so nostalgic for me.I remember going there as a kid in the 70s,spending my allowance on 45s.I also remember going there at 9:00 AM on Tuesdays when new albums were released.


Tower was a great place to shop.... but terrible to work for.
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SoulAlive said:



Tower Records is so nostalgic for me.I remember going there as a kid in the 70s,spending my allowance on 45s.I also remember going there at 9:00 AM on Tuesdays when new albums were released.


Tower was a great place to shop.... but terrible to work for.


Did you work there back in the day? wink
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Reply #22 posted 08/27/08 7:19am

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Ultimately this will be a good move for people who love music.

The more money out of the industry the better. Then maybe it will get back to real artists, in it for the love of what they do. Not for the $$$. The music biz got hijacked 10-15 years ago. It's been mostly bullshit since. The Sean Combs "anything for money" mentality ruled the day.

They didn't break any real artists, the public lost respect, the internet killed the cd (and nearly the software and video game market, though they fought back by creating locked down proprietary systems ie Vista, XBox, Wii, etc.). I don't know what the future holds, but as long as the public can get the music for free, music sales will suffer, including iTunes, Amazon, etc.
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lastdecember said:

luv4u said:

Walmart sells shit music here.

I have to go to HMV who have everything and anything.


In the states this will affect every chain, FYE is hanging by a thread, they have already been closing stores non stop, the Big box stores are getting rid of music, so my advice if you are looking for a catalog cd, hit up amazon.com, all music stores will be done in the states


Becuase you have to take out a loan to buy a CD at FYE! lol

I'll keep buying vinyl, thankyourverymuch. And if it's not on vinyl, I'll download it or go to Amazon.
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Reply #24 posted 08/27/08 11:08am

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where is lastdecember at? lol I'm sure he will have alot of insight.



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Reply #25 posted 08/27/08 12:31pm

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This has been predicted for at least the last 2 or 3 years. I have been wondering when it would actually start to happen. I never bought my music at Wal Mart, Target, Best Buy, etc anyway so I can't say their selection is worse than it used to be.

I agree with whoever said that retail would eventually realize they can't make money selling discs for $10. That may work on itunes or amazon, but not at FYE.
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Reply #26 posted 08/27/08 3:02pm

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.....i refuse to pay a dollar for download.....


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lastdecember said:



In the states this will affect every chain, FYE is hanging by a thread, they have already been closing stores non stop, the Big box stores are getting rid of music, so my advice if you are looking for a catalog cd, hit up amazon.com, all music stores will be done in the states


Becuase you have to take out a loan to buy a CD at FYE! lol

I'll keep buying vinyl, thankyourverymuch. And if it's not on vinyl, I'll download it or go to Amazon.


I often wondered how FYE stayed in business for as long as they did/have? I couldn't believe how high their prices were media and never seemed to have extensive stock.

I've browsed Best Buy while shopping for other things and they have a very generic selection. Same with Target. I guess they're good if you want Top 20 and Best ofs neither of which I normally shop for.

I rarely if ever came out of Tower empty-handed.
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Becuase you have to take out a loan to buy a CD at FYE! lol

I'll keep buying vinyl, thankyourverymuch. And if it's not on vinyl, I'll download it or go to Amazon.


I often wondered how FYE stayed in business for as long as they did/have? I couldn't believe how high their prices were media and never seemed to have extensive stock.

I've browsed Best Buy while shopping for other things and they have a very generic selection. Same with Target. I guess they're good if you want Top 20 and Best ofs neither of which I normally shop for.

I rarely if ever came out of Tower empty-handed.


The thing is that they all were expensive, Tower,Virgin,Fye and Sam Goody, because there bread and butter is music, they get charge 13-14 dollars for a new title, to turn around and sell it for 9.99? Its a wonder they have even lasted this long, and now Best Buy and Target and Walmart are just tired of losing 3-4 dollars a cd, its not worth it, before it was just a way to eliminate the competetion and steal the music customers, well now there are no music customers to steal, because the music is being stolen for the most part. But this all was started around 2001, this was long coming. Since i left the music retail industry in 2006, cd prices have gone up $2 from labels!! Thats right they are charging the retailers 2 dollars more, this is another reason why you see much quicker 9.99 sales, and much less of them.

The thing i think people dont realize is that this WILL hurt the artistry of music in the long run, and i know its cool to say "there will always be music", Ok we get it, no kidding. BUT it takes a little money to function, trust me, i make indie films and even if you just want to get into festivals, im not talking theaters, im talking FREE festivals, you need to invest thousands of dollars. The same goes for indie artists, it does cost some money to work your own site, book your own shows etc...and after awhile of losing money and losing money, just like the music retail goes, new artists will go to.

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guitarslinger44 said:



Becuase you have to take out a loan to buy a CD at FYE! lol

I'll keep buying vinyl, thankyourverymuch. And if it's not on vinyl, I'll download it or go to Amazon.


I often wondered how FYE stayed in business for as long as they did/have? I couldn't believe how high their prices were media and never seemed to have extensive stock.

I've browsed Best Buy while shopping for other things and they have a very generic selection. Same with Target. I guess they're good if you want Top 20 and Best ofs neither of which I normally shop for.

I rarely if ever came out of Tower empty-handed.


I hate FYE! Thatls the worst record store ever.Their prices are insane....$18 for a CD!! If they close down,I say "Good riddance".
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