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Thread started 02/29/08 12:20pm

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Carlos Santana: An Original Member Of Journey???

A heard a brief story on the radio the other day about Carlos Santana being a member of a group (sorry,I can't recall the name right now)in which he insisted the group change its name to 'Santana' after some early rehersals with the band. Supposedly after failing to convince the band he left the group. The band then changed its name to Journey.
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Reply #1 posted 02/29/08 12:26pm

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I googled it, and apparently the story has some truth to it Journey and Santana have some link. Check the "Did you know" section in the right column of this page:

http://www.coasttocoastti...kets.shtml
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Reply #2 posted 02/29/08 12:46pm

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Hmmm, i knew that Neil Schon was a member of Santana, but not this.
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Reply #3 posted 02/29/08 12:54pm

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pulpfictionfan said:

Hmmm, i knew that Neil Schon was a member of Santana, but not this.


Yes, Neil Schon was in Santana's band.

Carlos never played in Journey.
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Reply #4 posted 02/29/08 1:00pm

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namepeace said:

I googled it, and apparently the story has some truth to it Journey and Santana have some link. Check the "Did you know" section in the right column of this page:

http://www.coasttocoastti...kets.shtml

Not surprising being that both bands are from the same area. I always knew Schon and Rollie hooked up with Carlos in "Santana" and then went and formed "Journey".
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Reply #5 posted 02/29/08 1:03pm

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they'll always be linked 2gether santana and journey. not just 4 membership, but the fact that neal schon learned so much from carlos playin with him at just 14 yrs old and it lives in his playing 2 this day...
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Reply #6 posted 02/29/08 1:04pm

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I didn't know that
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Reply #7 posted 02/29/08 1:08pm

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I didn't know that


if ya dug that then check this out...after neal and gregg left santana, they formed another latin rock band called Azteca that featured the legendary percussionist peter escovedo....
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Reply #8 posted 02/29/08 1:27pm

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namepeace said:

I googled it, and apparently the story has some truth to it Journey and Santana have some link. Check the "Did you know" section in the right column of this page:

http://www.coasttocoastti...kets.shtml

Not surprising being that both bands are from the same area. I always knew Schon and Rollie hooked up with Carlos in "Santana" and then went and formed "Journey".

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Reply #9 posted 02/29/08 1:34pm

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He was only 15 when he played with Santana .....
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Reply #10 posted 02/29/08 2:09pm

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I find it interesting that no-one ever mentions the similarities of Neil's solo playing and Prince's.
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Reply #11 posted 02/29/08 3:22pm

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Giovanni777 said:

I find it interesting that no-one ever mentions the similarities of Neil's solo playing and Prince's.

I think Schon has a much smoother, more precise and less processed sound.


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Reply #12 posted 02/29/08 8:41pm

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theAudience said:

Giovanni777 said:

I find it interesting that no-one ever mentions the similarities of Neil's solo playing and Prince's.

I think Schon has a much smoother, more precise and less processed sound.
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Reply #13 posted 03/01/08 10:20am

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Giovanni777 said:

I find it interesting that no-one ever mentions the similarities of Neil's solo playing and Prince's.

Man, I've mentioned that on here more than a few times. Actually, one of the very first threads I wrote in this forum was how similar P's solo in Purple Rain was to the solo in Faithfully. This was BEFORE Journey discussed this on Howard Stern and how P "apologised" to them for biting. Neil and Jonathan said they thought it was an honour that P dug the song enough to bite from it. In the thread, I also went on to mention other other solos by Schon that P were obviously influenced by. I even remember sosgemini stating on this thread that P's solo on "I can Never Take The Place" reminded him of Schon. Prompting me to agree and stating that P 's solo to that song was influenced by Schon's solo to "Anyway You Want It". I remember that.
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Reply #14 posted 03/01/08 10:24am

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Giovanni777 said:

I find it interesting that no-one ever mentions the similarities of Neil's solo playing and Prince's.

Man, I've mentioned that on here more than a few times. Actually, one of the very first threads I wrote in this forum was how similar P's solo in Purple Rain was to the solo in Faithfully. This was BEFORE Journey discussed this on Howard Stern and how P "apologised" to them for biting. Neil and Jonathan said they thought it was an honour that P dug the song enough to bite from it. In the thread, I also went on to mention other other solos by Schon that P were obviously influenced by. I even remember sosgemini stating on this thread that P's solo on "I can Never Take The Place" reminded him of Schon. Prompting me to agree and stating that P 's solo to that song was influenced by Schon's solo to "Anyway You Want It". I remember that.

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Reply #15 posted 03/01/08 12:54pm

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blackguitaristz said:


Man, I've mentioned that on here more than a few times. Actually, one of the very first threads I wrote in this forum was how similar P's solo in Purple Rain was to the solo in Faithfully. This was BEFORE Journey discussed this on Howard Stern and how P "apologised" to them for biting. Neil and Jonathan said they thought it was an honour that P dug the song enough to bite from it. In the thread, I also went on to mention other other solos by Schon that P were obviously influenced by. I even remember sosgemini stating on this thread that P's solo on "I can Never Take The Place" reminded him of Schon. Prompting me to agree and stating that P 's solo to that song was influenced by Schon's solo to "Anyway You Want It". I remember that.

nod Exactly.


Well, come on, y'all, the music universe revolves around Prince, not vice versa, right?

In any event, now that I think about that "Faithfully" solo, I can definitely see that. Doesn't mean I still don't love PR, I just now have greater respect for Schon. I guess I owe him a bit of thanks!

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namepeace said:

MsLegs said:

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nod Exactly.


Well, come on, y'all, the music universe revolves around Prince, not vice versa, right?

In any event, now that I think about that "Faithfully" solo, I can definitely see that. Doesn't mean I still don't love PR, I just now have greater respect for Schon. I guess I owe him a bit of thanks!

peace

Nah, what I'm saying is the STONE opposite. It certainly doesn't revolve around P.
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Reply #17 posted 03/01/08 1:45pm

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namepeace said:



Well, come on, y'all, the music universe revolves around Prince, not vice versa, right?

In any event, now that I think about that "Faithfully" solo, I can definitely see that. Doesn't mean I still don't love PR, I just now have greater respect for Schon. I guess I owe him a bit of thanks!

peace

Nah, what I'm saying is the STONE opposite. It certainly doesn't revolve around P.


That's a joke, ahSAY, that's a JOKE son!

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namepeace said:

blackguitaristz said:


Nah, what I'm saying is the STONE opposite. It certainly doesn't revolve around P.


That's a joke, ahSAY, that's a JOKE son!


Oh, I know. That wasn't so much for u as it was intended for others. It's a grip of folks on this site who believes that shit.
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Reply #19 posted 03/01/08 4:32pm

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namepeace said:



That's a joke, ahSAY, that's a JOKE son!


Oh, I know. That wasn't so much for u as it was intended for others. It's a grip of folks on this site who believes that shit.


Yeah, I can't fault them. I was a teenager in the 80's so you couldn't tell me anything about P for a minute and a half. But listening to him more actually deepened my love for all music, so I have him to thank for disabusing me of that mindset.
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Reply #20 posted 03/01/08 4:40pm

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pulpfictionfan said:

Hmmm, i knew that Neil Schon was a member of Santana, but not this.


Yes, Neil Schon was in Santana's band.

Carlos never played in Journey.


The answer here.

Neil was 17 playing for Santana...
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namepeace said:

blackguitaristz said:


Oh, I know. That wasn't so much for u as it was intended for others. It's a grip of folks on this site who believes that shit.


Yeah, I can't fault them. I was a teenager in the 80's so you couldn't tell me anything about P for a minute and a half. But listening to him more actually deepened my love for all music, so I have him to thank for disabusing me of that mindset.

In my case, I was also a teenager in the 80's but with me, I was already listening to all types of music. So when I got hip to P, right away, I understood what he was doing. It didn't show so much on his debut, but defintely on his second.
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Reply #22 posted 03/02/08 4:23pm

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namepeace said:



Yeah, I can't fault them. I was a teenager in the 80's so you couldn't tell me anything about P for a minute and a half. But listening to him more actually deepened my love for all music, so I have him to thank for disabusing me of that mindset.

In my case, I was also a teenager in the 80's but with me, I was already listening to all types of music. So when I got hip to P, right away, I understood what he was doing. It didn't show so much on his debut, but defintely on his second.


I was raised on all kinds of music as well, but Prince's music connected with me differently. I noticed his differences more than his similarities to other artists.
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namepeace said:

blackguitaristz said:


In my case, I was also a teenager in the 80's but with me, I was already listening to all types of music. So when I got hip to P, right away, I understood what he was doing. It didn't show so much on his debut, but defintely on his second.


I was raised on all kinds of music as well, but Prince's music connected with me differently. I noticed his differences more than his similarities to other artists.

I can dig it. I noticed both.
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Reply #24 posted 04/07/08 5:27pm

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Once again I learn something on the org.

I never heard the similarities.

Carlos Santana is the thread through all modern music it seems. Woodstock, Journey, Prince, Eric Clapton, Stevie Ray Vaughn, and all of his modern-day stuff.

His influence is amazing...
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Reply #25 posted 04/07/08 5:36pm

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diamondpearl1 said:

purplebutterfly2 said:

I didn't know that


if ya dug that then check this out...after neal and gregg left santana, they formed another latin rock band called Azteca that featured the legendary percussionist peter escovedo....

oh wow... you mean the guy
Sheila E started out with?

was that her hubby? brother? father?
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DirtyChris said:

diamondpearl1 said:



if ya dug that then check this out...after neal and gregg left santana, they formed another latin rock band called Azteca that featured the legendary percussionist peter escovedo....

oh wow... you mean the guy
Sheila E started out with?

was that her hubby? brother? father?


If I'm not mistaken, her father. And of course, everyone knows her brother's daughter is Nicole Ritchie, right?
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Alasseon said:

DirtyChris said:


oh wow... you mean the guy
Sheila E started out with?

was that her hubby? brother? father?


If I'm not mistaken, her father. And of course, everyone knows her brother's daughter is Nicole Ritchie, right?

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namepeace said:



I was raised on all kinds of music as well, but Prince's music connected with me differently. I noticed his differences more than his similarities to other artists.

I can dig it. I noticed both.

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