I'm sure all UK orgers will have just seen the Channel 4 documentary on MJ. Well, it was filled with factual inaccuracies from the clueless narrator, but nonetheless, it bore out many things I've been saying for years. For instance how he deliberately constructed the Wacko Jacko image as a smokescreen for what was really going on. That way when people saw him with little boys they would just see it as one of his many eccentricities. Even that fool J Randy Taraborelli spoke sense elsewhere when he said how Mike had used his "lost childhood" as an excuse for his bizarre behaviour.

However, what really left my jaw on the floor was seeing Mike's long term associate Bob Jones hanging Mike out to dry. He spoke of how Mike had spent a whole day and night in a hotel room with 13 year old Jordy on the pretense that they had flu. Jones strongly suggested the flu story was bogus and implied that untoward things were happening in there. He also admitted they invented the KOP title themselves at Mike's request, but most of us knew that anyway. He says he was fired because he tended to tell Mike the truth and Mike didn't want to hear the truth. He got no severance pay and is obviously angry though he mainly expressed it with looooong loaded silences in the interview.

It's late now and I'm just typing this out quick so hopefully it's makng sense. Anyway, even though I don't feel the doc told me anything I didn't already know, I left it feeling sad and sorry for Mike. I always said Mike lost his soul a little after the first allegations, and even though he was acquited in 2005 I think he's nonetheless destroyed. It all stems from some genes he was born with that made him attracted to little boys. I have no intention of debating that point. I'm just expressing my sorrow. He inspired me so much as a kid that it's sad to see all that talent and success couldn't save him from the demons inside. I miss Mike.

It's all very sad, very sad. I really don't know what to believe. Michael may not be the most 'normal' person on earth, but I'm sure he has never done anything to a child. The story of him and Jordy spending a full day and night in a hotel room is weird though.

What did they do to my idol?

midnightmover said:

I understand what you're saying.....just one problem: Bob Jones has an axe to grind and many things he's said now and back in 2005 are lies. He had a book released back in 2004. It should be in bookstores in the UK

I just wish Jordan would finally go public about what really happened. He was on the 2005 trial witness list.....
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Ronnuz said:

I never believed it was true. He's wierd, but not THAT sick in the head

I think it's common knowledge he made the whole "Wacko Jacko" persona to start publicity and create "myth"
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I've always heard that mj doesn't like to be told what to do.


who really knows the truth...

Rhondab said:

Yeah, he is a stubborn jackass

For some odd reason I could believe Mike and Jordan spent a long day in the hotel room. Now it's a question of what happened that would always be on the minds of those who wanna know. I choose NOT to believe anything hanky panky was going on but it's true that MJ does create shit to get more sympathy than he should (the bad childhood and the KOP shit).

There is an autobiography by Jordie Chandler (accuser 1) entitled "Michael Jackson was my Lover", but because of the gag order put into place as part of the 20million dollar settlement, the book was never released in the USA. It has, however, been released in other countries because of a loophole in the gag order. You can get it at online bookstores like amazon at about $300 for paperback. I have read exerps from this book and it is quite disturbing. Jordie credits Michael for giving him his first orgasm ans speaks as if he were in love with Michael. There are also the pics Jordie drew of Michael's penis that was used for comparison in Michaels strip search. Im quite sure the details are more lurid than this, but I cannot see myself blowing $300 for a paperback. I cannot remember the sites that had these exerps, but you can type in the book title and you will find them. I am one of Michael Jackson's biggest fans, but if there is smoke, there usually is fire.

bboy87 said:

I heard Michael's VERY arrogant.

totaldiva said:

Those excerpts were VERY CREEPY to say the least.

totaldiva said:

Actually, that book was written by Victor Guiteriezz(I forgot the spelling), he also said that there was a videotape of Michael molesting one of Jermaine's sons. Michael sued him about the book AND Hard Copy(they ran the story about the fake videotape) and Michael won the suit, but Victor left the country.

It was one of the few times Michael actually fought back the allegations

bboy87 said:

I heard about that. Now THAT was some bullshit. In her book, Margaret Maldonado, Jermaine's former girlfriend, said her sons always came back home happy from spending time with Mike, who was said to have helped them with their homework.

Yeah, there are threads about this at all the Michael boards. Of course MJ fans are outraged and are petitioning but I didn't see the program so I don't know but knowing the media, especially the UK media i'm sure it was very one sided and anti-Michael as always.

Timmy84 said:

Yep. The best books on MJ to read are:
The Magic And The Madness(FIRST edition)
Jackson Family Values(Margaret's book)
The Michael Jackson Conspiracy(by Aphrodite Jones)
and if you just wanna know about the music:
For The Record(My name's in it ya'll! )

and Timmy84, why haven't you put your nwo status in you sig?!

YOU'RE A MEMBER 4 LIFE!!!!!

bboy87 said:

Ok, I think I've added in my nWo status too.
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totaldiva said:

It was disgusting. The book claimed that Michael gave Jordan an STD. It was filthy and vile. I honestly have a hard time believing most of the stuff in there and since the uncle helped co-write it (I believe) it makes me believe that stuff even less. It looks like he is after money to me. I know what you're saying though about where there is smoke there is usually fire but sometimes I just don't know what to think. There have been times when I read things about Michael and those allegations and thought to myself "Well damn, what if he really did do it" because I have to think that not everyone can be lying on him, but then i'll read something else about the cases that will make me think he didn't do it. From what i've read about those cases though there is more reason for me to believe he is innocent than not. I just really don't think he'd do something like that and I hope I'm right. I've been a supporter for so long and it would kill me to think he could do something like that.

Something that has always bothered me though which is something i've never brought up at MJ's fan sites 'cause I know everyone would jump down my throat for it, but I've read where the ex-Jackson 5 drummer Johnny said that Michael was molested as a child and witnessed this himself by accident. Two things happen when people are molested, they either grow up to be child molestors themselves or they don't but that's just something that has always bothered me and I believe this might have happened to Michael too b/c I don't see why Johnny would have any reason to lie about something like that.
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Timmy84 said:

4 Life!

Should we fuck up this thread?

Cinnamon234 said:

Co-sign. I don't know what it is but there's always has been a 50/50 thing around Michael: what if he IS like that versus "yeah right!" I love his music and everything he accomplished but it's like it's hard to figure out who he is because he keep giving out smoke mirrors so it's like fuck it, lol!

totaldiva said:

I have the book.

bboy87 said:

Yeah, but you gotta help me.

I hate it when topics like this get too serious, lol!

Timmy84 said:

I remember thinking back in 2005, "I gotta figure this out for myself". So I read the GQ article, the transcripts from both cases, and other things. I watched that E! Reality Show and thought "This shit doesn't make a drop of sense"

Someone said he was doing this stuff in the 80s but it took this long?!

Fuck that! I told my friends, "this man's innocent" and bet them all he'll be cleared.



I was blasting "Dirty Diana" all day on June 13th 2005

Timmy84 said:

I'm getting the gifs ready now

It's not that hard. If people just read what REALLY went on in 1993 and 2005, you'll get a pretty good picture of how the shit went down. There was a tape of Sneddon and a friend saying "We're gonna get that n***er"
I mean, come on!

bboy87 said:

Hells yeah. That's why when Mike was found innocent, I went "AH-HA" at Sneddon, lol.

Timmy84 said:

I know what you're saying. Something doesn't sit right with me at times also and when I see pics of MJ with little boys I literally feel sick. Everytime I see a pic of him with children, I'm always thinking to myself "Why the heck is he always hanging out w/kids esp, little boys"? There is no doubt in my mind that Michael has a preference for young males (didn't mean that the way it came out tho) but it just bothers me so much. Now whether he hangs around them because he claims to not have had much of a childhood and feels like he can relate to children is one thing but then sometimes I have to play devil's advocate and question whether or not something more sinister is going on there.

One thing i've noticed with Michael is that the boys he used to hang around are always the same age, around 12 or 13 which is the age he was when the J5 blew up and he lost his childhood. What i'm thinking basically is maybe that's the reason he always used to hang out with boys or maybe not. But s**t, I don't know what to even think sometimes. Michael is way to hard a person to figure out lol.

bboy87 said:

When he was found not guilty, my radio quickly blasted "Off the Wall" and I was dancing!

Cinnamon234 said:

That's probably the most disturbing thing about him. I hope he's truly learned his lesson. Otherwise, I'm going to come to D.C. and knock the vitiligo out of him.

Timmy84 said:

KisFM in the Bay Area were playing the "Michael's still here" mix
KMEL(plays rap and R&B) were having a party in San Francisco.
Black folks were happy!

Timmy84 said:

If he hangs out with kids PERIOD, it's gonna look weird to many


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bboy87 said:

I know right. When the crowd from "106 & Park" heard them say "not guilty", those youngins were "AHHHHH! " and all of that and I bet none of them really knew who Mike was other than him being referenced by Chris Brown and Usher!

bboy87 said:

Because HE'S weird. Love him the same tho. But dude IS weird.