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Reply #30 posted 07/27/07 11:37am

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They have interesting parallels in their careers.

Artistically, though, I see little comparison. Both prolific and talented, yes. But you'd think each were working with opposite ends of their brains...

Prince seems to work with limits and requirements. He will take a guiding concept and harp on it. A lot of this is self-imposed. The cohesive sounding, one-track Lovesexy is a good example. Committing to not swearing is another weird, but good example. Adhering to the pop music format, when your talent could take you so much further, is the most pronounced example.

Where the Prince Universe is self-contained, the Zappa Universe seems infinite. He had an anything goes approach, mixed high and low art...but never did he impose limits on himself artistically or morally.
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Reply #31 posted 07/27/07 12:09pm

Miles

IMO - Zappa is the better lead guitarist, while Prince is the better rhythm guitarist.

Zappa was a far more sophisticated music artist than Prince (not necessarily better, just more musically advanced as a composer/ arranger/ bandleader), and led some of the best rock/ jazz-rock bands ever.

I'd put Zappa up there with James Brown as a tyrannical/ perfectionist bandleader. Prince is an excellent bandleader, but far more pop-centred as an artist.

Other than both being prolific/ obsessive studio residents, with little apparent life outside music, I'd say they have little in common. smile
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Reply #32 posted 07/27/07 1:12pm

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Miles said:

IMO - Zappa is the better lead guitarist, while Prince is the better rhythm guitarist.

Zappa was a far more sophisticated music artist than Prince (not necessarily better, just more musically advanced as a composer/ arranger/ bandleader), and led some of the best rock/ jazz-rock bands ever.

I'd put Zappa up there with James Brown as a tyrannical/ perfectionist bandleader. Prince is an excellent bandleader, but far more pop-centred as an artist.

Other than both being prolific/ obsessive studio residents, with little apparent life outside music, I'd say they have little in common. smile


their conduct towards others is very much the same. Reading bios on both; it's like they are the same person at some points.

I agree with the rest of what you said.
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Reply #33 posted 07/27/07 1:13pm

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Before i go on, .. i love Prince and have since `84 when i was 7 yrs old. His skill as an overall instrumentalist is phenomenal and as a live performer he is stunning.....however, Zappa wrote music that Prince simply cannot rival. I have listened to both since i was a child and it has taken me years to come to the conclusion that zappa is a far more developed musician and composer - purely because i was too young / ignorant to appreciate what was going on. Listen to the black page / Alien Orifice / Sinister Footwear II. There is no way Prince could play this stuff (or would probably want to)
They are totally different in approach and desired output. Prince writes excellent "songs" and can jam like no-one else when it is time for the funk! These songs however tend to stay very within the regular laws of music theory. The result is quite a standard and predictable type of music (although truly excellent)
Zappa wrote compositions as well as songs. Key / Time signature / structure has no boundary.
I used to be 100% Prince - then i heard the break in St Alphonso's pancake breakfast from Apostrophe. Ludicrous complexity but pure Frank. (This is not showing off - just a neccessary part of the piece)
Give it a try!
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i agree 100%
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Reply #34 posted 07/27/07 2:32pm

bobzilla77

I may be interviewing Dweezil this month to promote the Zappa Plays Zappa show in LA. Anything you'd want to ask him?
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Reply #35 posted 07/27/07 3:16pm

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bobzilla77 said:

I may be interviewing Dweezil this month to promote the Zappa Plays Zappa show in LA. Anything you'd want to ask him?


I'd be curious if, as he continues with the Zappa plays Zappa shows, he's going to try and enlist more musicians that his father worked with. I love the idea of new musicians interpreting the music, but having NMB, occasionally Steve Vai or Dale Bozzio on hand, really helped with giving the band a historical context on this last tour.

I'm psyched about the DVD. I also think it's a great start for Zappa inductees, even if it isn't technically Frank. It's his music being performed with a little reverence. The Dweezil show didn't have the 'chaotic' feel I get from watching / listening to Frank's shows, but had an intense focus on the music.
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Reply #36 posted 07/27/07 4:20pm

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PeteZarustica said:

bobzilla77 said:

I may be interviewing Dweezil this month to promote the Zappa Plays Zappa show in LA. Anything you'd want to ask him?


I'd be curious if, as he continues with the Zappa plays Zappa shows, he's going to try and enlist more musicians that his father worked with. I love the idea of new musicians interpreting the music, but having NMB, occasionally Steve Vai or Dale Bozzio on hand, really helped with giving the band a historical context on this last tour.

I'm psyched about the DVD. I also think it's a great start for Zappa inductees, even if it isn't technically Frank. It's his music being performed with a little reverence. The Dweezil show didn't have the 'chaotic' feel I get from watching / listening to Frank's shows, but had an intense focus on the music.


I saw the Zappa plays Zappa show on opening night of their current tour. I went in knowing practically nothing about Frank Zappa (or his son, for that matter) and really had quite low expectations - I was dreading being subjected to 3 endless hours of jazz-fusion wankery. Instead I was completely blown away by the great playing and the great songs. Exploring Frank Zappa is now at the top of my agenda.
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Reply #37 posted 07/27/07 7:57pm

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On the topic, my favorite of his records are almost all the early Mothers of Invention albums - Freak Out, Only In It For The Money, Weasels Ripped My Flesh...

I don't like the doo-doo joke material all that much, with the exception of Overnite Sensation. "Valley Girl" however is a stone classic.
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Reply #38 posted 07/27/07 8:07pm

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jimmypageisapedo said:

Zappa and Prince are the two greatest artists ever

These artists are so similiar in many ways. They are my two favs artists ever.

Zappa's vault is amazing. Literally thousands of master tapes. Every show, every studio session, every t.v performance.

before i got into zappa i thought Prince had the largest body of work and was the most obsessive musician but zappa easily takes the cake.

Any zappa fans will know how similiar these two artists are. After reading books, interviews etc their behaviour was very much the same.
Both great guitarists.
Both obsessive workaholics.
Both have large vaults.
Both taped every show.
Both changed groups every few years.
Both composed their own music.
Both cold and emotionless(for the most part)
Both expressed a huge interest in sex via music.
Both have had bandmates say horrible things; very similiar things.
Both work all night; eat little; sleep in the day only a few hours.
Both found it hard forming human relationships. They put their music first.
Both were on WB and expressed disgust at one pint towards the label.
Both released albums yearly and wnated to release them every few months.

Obviously there were differences but the work pattern and treatment of others were very much the same. I can't think of any other artists who had as many songs in a short period of time and worked non stop; i mean literally nearly every waking hour.


Stevie Wonder is better than both of em lol
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Reply #39 posted 07/27/07 8:50pm

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krayzie said:

jimmypageisapedo said:

Zappa and Prince are the two greatest artists ever

These artists are so similiar in many ways. They are my two favs artists ever.

Zappa's vault is amazing. Literally thousands of master tapes. Every show, every studio session, every t.v performance.

before i got into zappa i thought Prince had the largest body of work and was the most obsessive musician but zappa easily takes the cake.

Any zappa fans will know how similiar these two artists are. After reading books, interviews etc their behaviour was very much the same.
Both great guitarists.
Both obsessive workaholics.
Both have large vaults.
Both taped every show.
Both changed groups every few years.
Both composed their own music.
Both cold and emotionless(for the most part)
Both expressed a huge interest in sex via music.
Both have had bandmates say horrible things; very similiar things.
Both work all night; eat little; sleep in the day only a few hours.
Both found it hard forming human relationships. They put their music first.
Both were on WB and expressed disgust at one pint towards the label.
Both released albums yearly and wnated to release them every few months.

Obviously there were differences but the work pattern and treatment of others were very much the same. I can't think of any other artists who had as many songs in a short period of time and worked non stop; i mean literally nearly every waking hour.


Stevie Wonder is better than both of em lol

"Stevie Wonder" is better than "Ray Charles", and "Miles Davis", and "Sam Cooke", and "Little Richard", and "George Clinton", and "Carlos Santana", and....and....and.....
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Reply #40 posted 07/28/07 3:10am

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krayzie said:

jimmypageisapedo said:

Zappa and Prince are the two greatest artists ever

These artists are so similiar in many ways. They are my two favs artists ever.

Zappa's vault is amazing. Literally thousands of master tapes. Every show, every studio session, every t.v performance.

before i got into zappa i thought Prince had the largest body of work and was the most obsessive musician but zappa easily takes the cake.

Any zappa fans will know how similiar these two artists are. After reading books, interviews etc their behaviour was very much the same.
Both great guitarists.
Both obsessive workaholics.
Both have large vaults.
Both taped every show.
Both changed groups every few years.
Both composed their own music.
Both cold and emotionless(for the most part)
Both expressed a huge interest in sex via music.
Both have had bandmates say horrible things; very similiar things.
Both work all night; eat little; sleep in the day only a few hours.
Both found it hard forming human relationships. They put their music first.
Both were on WB and expressed disgust at one pint towards the label.
Both released albums yearly and wnated to release them every few months.

Obviously there were differences but the work pattern and treatment of others were very much the same. I can't think of any other artists who had as many songs in a short period of time and worked non stop; i mean literally nearly every waking hour.


Stevie Wonder is better than both of em lol


yeah that is a funny statement biggrin lol
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Reply #41 posted 07/28/07 3:11am

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bobzilla77 said:

I may be interviewing Dweezil this month to promote the Zappa Plays Zappa show in LA. Anything you'd want to ask him?



What does he think of all the bios on his father which trash him? I 'd be interested to know that.
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Reply #42 posted 07/28/07 6:02am

krayzie

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jimmypageisapedo said:

krayzie said:



Stevie Wonder is better than both of em lol


yeah that is a funny statement biggrin lol


Because that's true lol
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Reply #43 posted 07/28/07 6:07am

Cheek

krayzie said:

jimmypageisapedo said:



yeah that is a funny statement biggrin lol


Because that's true lol


So is the Bible. lol
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Reply #44 posted 07/28/07 7:43am

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Cheek said:

krayzie said:



Because that's true lol


So is the Bible. lol


so is every word out of President Bush's mouth lol
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Reply #45 posted 08/20/07 3:12pm

bobzilla77

Oh well, Dweezil's stopped doing interviews...shoulda jumped on that quicker.

But tickets for the LA Wiltern show this Thursday have been reduced to $15 - go to www.goldstarevents.com, sign up & place your order. Reviews have been excellent.

I do think he could have found some other musicians from the old band to bump up the fan interest, only veterano is Ray White this time around.
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Reply #46 posted 08/20/07 3:30pm

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Prince is an excellent bandleader, but far more pop-centred as an artist.
Agreed. It's his achilles heel.

Miles said:

Other than both being prolific/ obsessive studio residents, with little apparent life outside music, I'd say they have little in common. smile

Exactly. thumbs up!
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Reply #47 posted 08/21/07 2:42am

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Frank and Prince have pretty different views on religion and Frank was able to sustain a marriage and family in addition to his music.

I think Frank used "rock and roll" to fund his being a composer and Prince although he dabbles in all kinds of music and is a great musician wants first and foremost to be a "Popstar" at all costs.

Keith Richards back in the days descibed Prince as being like "The Monkees" as far as the "pop image" although over the years he has more respect for Prince musically.

The common threads between them are they put their music out no matter what. And they have many followers but they both know the music business is a game and the people who follow them don't always see that.
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Reply #48 posted 08/21/07 5:55am

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Just so you know a good majority of the rock & roll artist back in the 60's 70's were fucking underage girls, Page is just one of the many.
But i thiink Pages composition skills still surpasses Prince and Frank combined
but i digress...
I get what your saying, but i can think of a ton more artist that were more prolific then these two, i think you're just weighing in because you really like both. Rather than actual skill.
Frank was a great Musical composer, And the far majority of his material was gold because of his composition skills. Prince was a good composer as well, but i regard him as a better song writer. But the sheer fact that the majority of prince's releases were swill cancels him out for alot of recognition. Editing your work is a golden skill.
But the main difference between both of them is what Carl touched on. Frank was a Rock & Roll Composer like Page, and the Greatful Deads, Phil Lesh (Another who might go over both their heads). Whilst Prince is a bit of a pop star.
youu can tell because Prince Influences pop stars like timberlake, hunt etc... Whilst Zappa and the others influence low profile Rock/country artist like Ryan Adams. Crows, who follow in the same prolific footsteps.
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Reply #49 posted 08/21/07 9:27am

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While I respect both artists, Zappa was just too intelligent for most people to get. His music was written for him and not for mass appeal. Prince on the other hand did have a mass appeal.

While this is neither here nor there, I think it's a major difference in these two artists.
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Reply #50 posted 08/21/07 9:28am

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and your user name sux
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Reply #51 posted 08/21/07 10:08am

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Slave2daGroove said:

and your user name sux

now that is some major ownage

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Reply #52 posted 08/21/07 10:14am

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Reply #53 posted 08/22/07 12:22pm

Miles

As an aside, I would tentatively suggest that Zappa and the Mothers were an important early influence on George Clinton's anarchic humour. When I listen to some of Zappa's crazed lyrics of the late '60s - mid '70s and then hear what GC was doing with Parliament, I hear parallels.

I'd say GC saw FZ's warped world view as a template and ran with it in his own directions, giving us Doctor Funkenstein et al. Also both men had roots in doo-wop groups (FZ as a fan/ '60s doo wop pasticher and GC as a doo-wop singer).

Parts of Funkadelic's 'America Eats Its Young' album sound Zappa-esque to me.

Good old George Clinton. He had wide open ears back then, whatever other stuff he was doin' at the time biggrin.
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Reply #54 posted 08/22/07 12:38pm

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Miles said:

As an aside, I would tentatively suggest that Zappa and the Mothers were an important early influence on George Clinton's anarchic humour. When I listen to some of Zappa's crazed lyrics of the late '60s - mid '70s and then hear what GC was doing with Parliament, I hear parallels.

I'd say GC saw FZ's warped world view as a template and ran with it in his own directions, giving us Doctor Funkenstein et al. Also both men had roots in doo-wop groups (FZ as a fan/ '60s doo wop pasticher and GC as a doo-wop singer).

Parts of Funkadelic's 'America Eats Its Young' album sound Zappa-esque to me.

Good old George Clinton. He had wide open ears back then, whatever other stuff he was doin' at the time biggrin.

nod Excellent comparison of Zappa and Clinton.
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Reply #55 posted 08/22/07 12:42pm

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Miles said:

As an aside, I would tentatively suggest that Zappa and the Mothers were an important early influence on George Clinton's anarchic humour. When I listen to some of Zappa's crazed lyrics of the late '60s - mid '70s and then hear what GC was doing with Parliament, I hear parallels.

I'd say GC saw FZ's warped world view as a template and ran with it in his own directions, giving us Doctor Funkenstein et al. Also both men had roots in doo-wop groups (FZ as a fan/ '60s doo wop pasticher and GC as a doo-wop singer).

Parts of Funkadelic's 'America Eats Its Young' album sound Zappa-esque to me.

Good old George Clinton. He had wide open ears back then, whatever other stuff he was doin' at the time biggrin.

Interesting potential connection.

I see more of an influence from the look and celestial musings of...






...Sun Ra and his Arkestra.



hmmm But i'd still like to know, Who Are The Brain Police?



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Reply #56 posted 08/22/07 12:48pm

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theAudience said:

Miles said:

As an aside, I would tentatively suggest that Zappa and the Mothers were an important early influence on George Clinton's anarchic humour. When I listen to some of Zappa's crazed lyrics of the late '60s - mid '70s and then hear what GC was doing with Parliament, I hear parallels.

I'd say GC saw FZ's warped world view as a template and ran with it in his own directions, giving us Doctor Funkenstein et al. Also both men had roots in doo-wop groups (FZ as a fan/ '60s doo wop pasticher and GC as a doo-wop singer).

Parts of Funkadelic's 'America Eats Its Young' album sound Zappa-esque to me.

Good old George Clinton. He had wide open ears back then, whatever other stuff he was doin' at the time biggrin.

Interesting potential connection.

I see more of an influence from the look and celestial musings of...






...Sun Ra and his Arkestra.



hmmm But i'd still like to know, Who Are The Brain Police?

nod TA, Sun Ra is another good contender musically.
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Reply #57 posted 08/22/07 1:07pm

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theAudience said:


I see more of an influence from the look and celestial musings of...



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I believe GC himself has admitted borrowing visually from Mr Ra. However, on the strength of the above cool photo, I almost feel the need to write an in-depth analysis of the potential commonalities between Sun Ra and that other flamboyant king of the keyboard ... Liberace!! lol
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Reply #58 posted 08/22/07 1:22pm

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Miles said:

However, on the strength of the above cool photo, I almost feel the need to write an in-depth analysis of the potential commonalities between Sun Ra and that other flamboyant king of the keyboard ... Liberace!! lol

Ouch.

Without saying too much, personally they'd have very little in common. lol



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Reply #59 posted 08/22/07 1:41pm

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theAudience said:

Miles said:

However, on the strength of the above cool photo, I almost feel the need to write an in-depth analysis of the potential commonalities between Sun Ra and that other flamboyant king of the keyboard ... Liberace!! lol

Ouch.

Without saying too much, personally they'd have very little in common. lol



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Well, I speak in jest but it is true that Sun Ra never married and lived in what amounted to an all male commune with his musicians for most of his adult life, but as I'm not one for unfounded, scurrilous rumours, I'll say no more. wink

And both Sonny and Lee have the bling thang goin' on big-time. biggrin cool
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