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whatever happened to the R&B bands Just a question, but why is it that rock music still have bands that play real music. while good ole R&B has, well let me think for aminute let
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carlluv said: Just a question, but why is it that rock music still have bands that play real music. while good ole R&B has, well let me think for aminute let
None. How could this have happened I have mulled over this question for several years. It seems all the r&b artists that come out now want to be associated with hip hop or rappers and have no interest whatsoever in playing instruments and being in a band. Alicia Keys plays most of her music without a lot of sampling. Mint condition is the only post 70's/80's r&b band that plays live music and they have had to fight the industry to do what they love to do. That is why they are independent now and have a lot more freedom. Don't laugh at my funk
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carlluv said: Just a question, but why is it that rock music still have bands that play real music. while good ole R&B has, well let me think for aminute let
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Whatever happened to the R&B bands ?
lets see said tha blind man S & S... Samplers and Sequencers ...Minute Rice & Microwave Popcorn generation Quanity,not Quality! This lil cheap mofo is the shit starter Greedy record labels.... "Where's tha Beef"! They kept feeding us Bull Unnecessary Syncopated Dancin' Acks ...Mad Music Disease ...But it all comes out in the end. Date: Thursday, May 26, 2005 By: Wayne Dawkins, BlackAmericaWeb.com Editorial writer and former music critic Eric Deggans wonders this: Could Prince get a recording contract in 2005? Yeah, him, Grammy Award winner this year for “Musicology” and the star of “Purple Rain” two decades ago. Prince Rogers Nelson is a skilled musician in addition to singer, songwriter and producer. He honed his instrumental chops in clubs and at concerts, and of course in solitude at practice. Today, there are fewer places to play live music, explained Deggans, and fewer places to learn to play instruments. Heck, the music industry has computer technology, so producers may not see a need for musicians. Are we witnessing a talent drain just days before the month-long celebration of Black Music Month, recognition in June of a multibillion dollar phenomenon that Philadelphian Dyana Williams calls “one of America’s greatest exports?" “Recording with instruments came from the ranks of people who played live,” said Deggans, a staffer of the St. Petersburg Times. “There was an economic incentive to play instruments. Now, we’ve reached a point where that’s not happening.” Many public schools, financially stressed for decades, cut music instruction programs. That’s a travesty, said Williams, president of the International Association of African-American Music. “In this country we’ve abandoned music programs. Music is a healing force. Children are less prone to act up,” she said, when they receive music instruction. Williams acknowledged that the numbers of musicians are shrinking, yet she said “there are still pockets” of young people learning the craft. So where is this talent being cultivated? “When I hear about drummers,” said Deggans, who happens to be one, “they’re out of church, the only place where there seems to be live music.” Mark Anthony Neal, author of several books on black popular music, seconded that emotion. “The black church has always been a training ground for black musicians of all genres,” he said. “With the attacks on music programs in public schools and the lack of venues in close proximity to black communities, the church is even more important in that regard, not just for musicianship, but access to the intricate harmonies featured in much of our vocals.” Neal is an associate professor of black popular culture at Duke University. “Drummers, keyboard, guitar and bass players are learning to play and perfect their skills in the black church,” added Portia Maultsby, professor of Ethnomusicology at Indiana University. “Church musicians are also giving music lessons to the youth of the church and providing opportunities to perform.” Yet, Neal acknowledged, “Not everybody who is singing and playing come from church, so it’s been interesting to see young cats learn how to program music on drum machines and the like.” “This generation has become accustomed to Pro Tools,” Williams explained, referring to the computer program that can convert sounds into digital information, simulate instruments and can correct a singer’s pitch or a drummer’s timing. Deggans noted that the computer program has also freed producers who can play a keyboard to create music and do sequencing, then call in musicians if there is a compelling need for them. “Everything is specialized now,” he said. “That does not leave a lot of room for musicians to play.” If that statement is true, what a doggone shame. For every new recording that has synthesized instruments and even vocals, they are nowhere near as moving as the organic sounds of drums, organs, tambourines and other instruments played creatively with human hands that produce sounds that tingle the spine and nourish the soul. Williams, who said she co-wrote legislation that eventually got Black Music Month recognized with a presidential proclamation, sounds like a clear-eyed realist not smothered in nostalgia. “Of course [the decline in musicians] is cause for alarm,” she said, “but it’s not going to change any time soon. The pendulum must swing back.” That means parents must step and provide music lessons for their children and battle with school districts to keep music programs as they fight to raise reading, writing and ‘rithmetic standards. And churches can be continued to be mined as places producing sacred and secular music. Just don’t sacrifice of Black music heritage to technology and neglect. Creativity and time spent sharpening musical skill with an instrument matters. Just ask that true funk soldier, Prince. | |
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The reason why Rock still has bands is because they didn't have another music genre rise up that resembles it like R&B did and then it completely took over. Hip Hop killed R&B bands. Cornbread, Grits, and Collard Greens/I got what you need/If you want it/Cuz I'm a pimp, girl/With a drippy, juicy Jheri Curl | |
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CosmicTalk said: The reason why Rock still has bands is because they didn't have another music genre rise up that resembles it like R&B did and then it completely took over. Hip Hop killed R&B bands.
good thing it didn't happen earlier or we would have missed out on a lot of great r&b artists Check it out ...Shiny Toy Guns R gonna blowup VERY soon and bring melody back to music..you heard it here 1st! http://www.myspacecomment...theone.mp3 | |
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Uhhhh, rap music happ ened... | |
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Mazerati said: CosmicTalk said: The reason why Rock still has bands is because they didn't have another music genre rise up that resembles it like R&B did and then it completely took over. Hip Hop killed R&B bands.
good thing it didn't happen earlier or we would have missed out on a lot of great r&b artists Well, that's the thing, Hip Hop couldn't have existed unless the R&B bands existed. In fact, the first breakthrough rap song was rapped over a song by R&B band Chic. Cornbread, Grits, and Collard Greens/I got what you need/If you want it/Cuz I'm a pimp, girl/With a drippy, juicy Jheri Curl | |
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carlluv said: Just a question, but why is it that rock music still have bands that play real music. while good ole R&B has, well let me think for aminute let
None. How could this have happened Have u heard of Mint Condition? rapheal Saddiq? Frank MccComb? Meshell N'degeocello?.....u tripping. | |
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As much as we like Teddy, I think the root of R&B band erosion is Teddy Riley's creation of New Jack Swing: R&B songs made with programmed beats in the style of rap. | |
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Graycap23 said: carlluv said: Just a question, but why is it that rock music still have bands that play real music. while good ole R&B has, well let me think for aminute let
None. How could this have happened Have u heard of Mint Condition? rapheal Saddiq? Frank MccComb? Meshell N'degeocello?.....u tripping. Besides Mint Condition, everyone that you mention are solo acts. you just proved my point where are the R&B bands. Cuz where i am from, i have not heard any new groups popping up or heard anything new fom any of the old groups like mint condition., and i stay in Detriot why in God's name do u wanna make me cry | |
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carlluv said: Graycap23 said: Have u heard of Mint Condition? rapheal Saddiq? Frank MccComb? Meshell N'degeocello?.....u tripping. Besides Mint Condition, everyone that you mention are solo acts. you just proved my point where are the R&B bands. Cuz where i am from, i have not heard any new groups popping up or heard anything new fom any of the old groups like mint condition., and i stay in Detriot Your point is well taken. The business these days seems 2 be about the QUICK buck. That's why sampling is so "popular". | |
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Graycap23 said: carlluv said: Besides Mint Condition, everyone that you mention are solo acts. you just proved my point where are the R&B bands. Cuz where i am from, i have not heard any new groups popping up or heard anything new fom any of the old groups like mint condition., and i stay in Detriot Your point is well taken. The business these days seems 2 be about the QUICK buck. That's why sampling is so "popular". let's not forget to blame the Record companys for killing off the r&b bands that's problem with black music as soon as something new comes along the old gets kicked to the curb like blues,jazz, and now soul/R&B why in God's name do u wanna make me cry | |
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wonder what will kill off Hip hop why in God's name do u wanna make me cry | |
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carlluv said: Graycap23 said: Your point is well taken. The business these days seems 2 be about the QUICK buck. That's why sampling is so "popular". let's not forget to blame the Record companys for killing off the r&b bands that's problem with black music as soon as something new comes along the old gets kicked to the curb like blues,jazz, and now soul/R&B No doubt. Everyone is looking 4 the quick dollar. Learning your craft especially an instrument takes TIME. | |
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The answer to your question is as easy as two little words: Shit Hop. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: The answer to your question is as easy as two little words: Shit Hop.
why in God's name do u wanna make me cry | |
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Whatever happened to medieval minstrel groups? Why aren't they still around? | |
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I miss R&B bands! Now the genre is so reliant on samples, synthsized beats, and overproduced sound, you never get a sexy guitar solo like the Isley Brothers had or a slammin funky song ala The Gap Band
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thekidsgirl said: I miss R&B bands! Now the genre is so reliant on samples, synthsized beats, and overproduced sound, you never get a sexy guitar solo like the Isley Brothers had or a slammin funky song ala The Gap Band
Man I want R&B bands back!! U and me BOTH. I hang on 2 Mint Condidtion these days..... | |
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carlluv said: Just a question, but why is it that rock music still have bands that play real music. while good ole R&B has, well let me think for aminute let
None. How could this have happened What disgusts me is the fact that new artists singing over hip hop beats are now called R&B artists. Where's the rhythm and singing about bling bling and shit aint the fucking blues. It's so sad what has happened to the music these days. | |
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StarMon said: Whatever happened to the R&B bands ?
lets see said tha blind man S & S... Samplers and Sequencers ...Minute Rice & Microwave Popcorn generation Quanity,not Quality! This lil cheap mofo is the shit starter Greedy record labels.... "Where's tha Beef"! They kept feeding us Bull Unnecessary Syncopated Dancin' Acks ...Mad Music Disease ...But it all comes out in the end. Date: Thursday, May 26, 2005 By: Wayne Dawkins, BlackAmericaWeb.com Editorial writer and former music critic Eric Deggans wonders this: Could Prince get a recording contract in 2005? Yeah, him, Grammy Award winner this year for “Musicology” and the star of “Purple Rain” two decades ago. Prince Rogers Nelson is a skilled musician in addition to singer, songwriter and producer. He honed his instrumental chops in clubs and at concerts, and of course in solitude at practice. Today, there are fewer places to play live music, explained Deggans, and fewer places to learn to play instruments. Heck, the music industry has computer technology, so producers may not see a need for musicians. Are we witnessing a talent drain just days before the month-long celebration of Black Music Month, recognition in June of a multibillion dollar phenomenon that Philadelphian Dyana Williams calls “one of America’s greatest exports?" “Recording with instruments came from the ranks of people who played live,” said Deggans, a staffer of the St. Petersburg Times. “There was an economic incentive to play instruments. Now, we’ve reached a point where that’s not happening.” Many public schools, financially stressed for decades, cut music instruction programs. That’s a travesty, said Williams, president of the International Association of African-American Music. “In this country we’ve abandoned music programs. Music is a healing force. Children are less prone to act up,” she said, when they receive music instruction. Williams acknowledged that the numbers of musicians are shrinking, yet she said “there are still pockets” of young people learning the craft. So where is this talent being cultivated? “When I hear about drummers,” said Deggans, who happens to be one, “they’re out of church, the only place where there seems to be live music.” Mark Anthony Neal, author of several books on black popular music, seconded that emotion. “The black church has always been a training ground for black musicians of all genres,” he said. “With the attacks on music programs in public schools and the lack of venues in close proximity to black communities, the church is even more important in that regard, not just for musicianship, but access to the intricate harmonies featured in much of our vocals.” Neal is an associate professor of black popular culture at Duke University. “Drummers, keyboard, guitar and bass players are learning to play and perfect their skills in the black church,” added Portia Maultsby, professor of Ethnomusicology at Indiana University. “Church musicians are also giving music lessons to the youth of the church and providing opportunities to perform.” Yet, Neal acknowledged, “Not everybody who is singing and playing come from church, so it’s been interesting to see young cats learn how to program music on drum machines and the like.” “This generation has become accustomed to Pro Tools,” Williams explained, referring to the computer program that can convert sounds into digital information, simulate instruments and can correct a singer’s pitch or a drummer’s timing. Deggans noted that the computer program has also freed producers who can play a keyboard to create music and do sequencing, then call in musicians if there is a compelling need for them. “Everything is specialized now,” he said. “That does not leave a lot of room for musicians to play.” If that statement is true, what a doggone shame. For every new recording that has synthesized instruments and even vocals, they are nowhere near as moving as the organic sounds of drums, organs, tambourines and other instruments played creatively with human hands that produce sounds that tingle the spine and nourish the soul. Williams, who said she co-wrote legislation that eventually got Black Music Month recognized with a presidential proclamation, sounds like a clear-eyed realist not smothered in nostalgia. “Of course [the decline in musicians] is cause for alarm,” she said, “but it’s not going to change any time soon. The pendulum must swing back.” That means parents must step and provide music lessons for their children and battle with school districts to keep music programs as they fight to raise reading, writing and ‘rithmetic standards. And churches can be continued to be mined as places producing sacred and secular music. Just don’t sacrifice of Black music heritage to technology and neglect. Creativity and time spent sharpening musical skill with an instrument matters. Just ask that true funk soldier, Prince. Don't blame the synthesizer since Prince used it extensively throughout the 80's his most prolific, creative and critically acclaimed period. Even through the 90's almost all of his bass patterns were done with the keyboard backing up a drum machine. Not all of his songs mark you, but the majority of them. | |
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R&b bands are still around. It is just the older bands from the 70's/80's.
Bands like the barkays,cameo,confunkshun,ewf,maze,dazz,gap band are still touring but new releases from these bands are few and far between because of today's sad market. The barkays just released a new cd today called house party. When these bands tour most of the fans are looking to hear the old stuff. I agree with an earlier post that new jack swing and hip hop killed the r&b bands. New Jack Swing is dead thankfully but we still have to deal with hip hop being shoved down our throats. The sad part is the real hip hop lyricists like common, mos def, the roots, de la soul often take a back seat to the shit hop artists like diddy and jermaine dupri. Don't laugh at my funk
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phunkdaddy said: R&b bands are still around. It is just the older bands from the 70's/80's.
Bands like the barkays,cameo,confunkshun,ewf,maze,dazz,gap band are still touring but new releases from these bands are few and far between because of today's sad market. The barkays just released a new cd today called house party. When these bands tour most of the fans are looking to hear the old stuff. I agree with an earlier post that new jack swing and hip hop killed the r&b bands. New Jack Swing is dead thankfully but we still have to deal with hip hop being shoved down our throats. The sad part is the real hip hop lyricists like common, mos def, the roots, de la soul often take a back seat to the shit hop artists like diddy and jermaine dupri. You are spot on on the Shit Hop comment. I totally agree with you on that. Alot of talented hip hop artists and good old hip hop in general being pushed aside for the fuckery being released these days. [Edited 2/27/07 9:20am] | |
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carlluv said: vainandy said: The answer to your question is as easy as two little words: Shit Hop.
actually, more specifically: New Whack Swing! | |
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Well, the bands haven't completely died out. I mean, even Soul artists need a backup band when they're on the road and stuff. But you're right, the idea of an R&B band is virtually non-existant at this point. And most of the great old schoolers are barely hanging on in the form of nostalgia acts. But yes, Hip-Hop did kinda kill the idea of an R&B band since record execs figured it was more economical to just do it all on electronics.
I don't really have much against Hip-Hop (unlike some of you player haters here), but they have their place too. Of course there's the good (Mos Def, Talib, Madlib), the bad (G-Unit, Dipset, etc.), and the ugly (most of the Dirty South). But that's just the way it goes for Black music today. But then again, look at the Roots. Aren't they a band? So what does that mean? I do see the point of this topic though. Hell yeah, I miss R&B bands. Hell, I miss the FUNK in general. There are still some modern ones out there (Galactic, Soulive, Jamiroquai, etc.), but few and far between. Otherwise, there are some indie Rock guys trying to get on the good foot as well. Some are good (Q & Not U, The Rapture, !!!, etc.), and some others, it seems, are just exploiting the genre (I won'tname names). But they're only appealing to the mostly white indie Rock crowds. And plus, most of those groups are influenced by Post-Punk and New Wave bands that were Funk-influenced like Gang of Four, The Pop Group, and Delta 5. But at this point the concept of a self-contained R&B band is dead. I'm working on something though. NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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But at this point the concept of a self-contained R&B band is dead.
See here: http://www.prince.org/msg/8/219098 [Edited 2/27/07 10:15am] Cornbread, Grits, and Collard Greens/I got what you need/If you want it/Cuz I'm a pimp, girl/With a drippy, juicy Jheri Curl | |
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dseann said: StarMon said: Whatever happened to the R&B bands ?
lets see said tha blind man S & S... Samplers and Sequencers ...Minute Rice & Microwave Popcorn generation Quanity,not Quality! This lil cheap mofo is the shit starter Greedy record labels.... "Where's tha Beef"! They kept feeding us Bull Unnecessary Syncopated Dancin' Acks ...Mad Music Disease ...But it all comes out in the end. Date: Thursday, May 26, 2005 By: Wayne Dawkins, BlackAmericaWeb.com Editorial writer and former music critic Eric Deggans wonders this: Could Prince get a recording contract in 2005? Yeah, him, Grammy Award winner this year for “Musicology” and the star of “Purple Rain” two decades ago. [b]Prince Rogers Nelson is a skilled musician in addition to singer, songwriter and producer. He honed his instrumental chops in clubs and at concerts, and of course in solitude at practice. Today, there are fewer places to play live music, explained Deggans, and fewer places to learn to play instruments. Heck, the music industry has computer technology, so producers may not see a need for musicians. Are we witnessing a talent drain just days before the month-long celebration of Black Music Month, recognition in June of a multibillion dollar phenomenon that Philadelphian Dyana Williams calls “one of America’s greatest exports?" “Recording with instruments came from the ranks of people who played live,” said Deggans, a staffer of the St. Petersburg Times. “There was an economic incentive to play instruments. Now, we’ve reached a point where that’s not happening.” Many public schools, financially stressed for decades, cut music instruction programs. That’s a travesty, said Williams, president of the International Association of African-American Music. “In this country we’ve abandoned music programs. Music is a healing force. Children are less prone to act up,” she said, when they receive music instruction. Williams acknowledged that the numbers of musicians are shrinking, yet she said “there are still pockets” of young people learning the craft. So where is this talent being cultivated? “When I hear about drummers,” said Deggans, who happens to be one, “they’re out of church, the only place where there seems to be live music.” Mark Anthony Neal, author of several books on black popular music, seconded that emotion. “The black church has always been a training ground for black musicians of all genres,” he said. “With the attacks on music programs in public schools and the lack of venues in close proximity to black communities, the church is even more important in that regard, not just for musicianship, but access to the intricate harmonies featured in much of our vocals.” Neal is an associate professor of black popular culture at Duke University. “Drummers, keyboard, guitar and bass players are learning to play and perfect their skills in the black church,” added Portia Maultsby, professor of Ethnomusicology at Indiana University. “Church musicians are also giving music lessons to the youth of the church and providing opportunities to perform.” Yet, Neal acknowledged, “Not everybody who is singing and playing come from church, so it’s been interesting to see young cats learn how to program music on drum machines and the like.” “This generation has become accustomed to Pro Tools,” Williams explained, referring to the computer program that can convert sounds into digital information, simulate instruments and can correct a singer’s pitch or a drummer’s timing. Deggans noted that the computer program has also freed producers who can play a keyboard to create music and do sequencing, then call in musicians if there is a compelling need for them. “Everything is specialized now,” he said. “That does not leave a lot of room for musicians to play.” If that statement is true, what a doggone shame. For every new recording that has synthesized instruments and even vocals, they are nowhere near as moving as the organic sounds of drums, organs, tambourines and other instruments played creatively with human hands that produce sounds that tingle the spine and nourish the soul. Williams, who said she co-wrote legislation that eventually got Black Music Month recognized with a presidential proclamation, sounds like a clear-eyed realist not smothered in nostalgia. “Of course [the decline in musicians] is cause for alarm,” she said, “but it’s not going to change any time soon. The pendulum must swing back.” That means parents must step and provide music lessons for their children and battle with school districts to keep music programs as they fight to raise reading, writing and ‘rithmetic standards. And churches can be continued to be mined as places producing sacred and secular music. Just don’t sacrifice of Black music heritage to technology and neglect. Creativity and time spent sharpening musical skill with an instrument matters. Just ask that true funk soldier, Prince.[/i] Don't blame the synthesizer since Prince used it extensively throughout the 80's his most prolific, creative and critically acclaimed period. Even through the 90's almost all of his bass patterns were done with the keyboard backing up a drum machine. Not all of his songs mark you, but the majority of them. Naaaaaw playaa.. I am talking about the sampler on the casio sk-1 a brutha use to use to sample about 2 or 2.5 sec of a break beat or bass line of a song to loop. back in tha day a sk-1 and a tascam 4 track recorder and a drum machine a brutha could hook up a rap right quick.... It's a cheap ass Caaaaasio. Alotta rappers, dj's used these tools to make demo's back in the day. and ya probably heard this cheap mofo on one of your favorite songs. ps. no one's blaming the Synth or Prince. Well, people call it the poor man's sampler. It is the cheapest sampler in the world. Followed by the SK-5, the second cheapest in the world. Its strength is sampling and its weakness is just about everything else. It's monophonic and has just four-note polyphony. The sampling is 8-bit PCM, 9.38kHz, giving about 1.4 seconds. It's so gritty... Also, its memory clears when turned off. Obviously it's designed as a cheap toy for consumers. This is the sort of sampler-toy you end up belching into with your friends and play burp-songs for a laugh! The keyboard uses mini plastic keys. It lacks MIDI, lacks effects, edit-ability, memory, and filtering. However there are 13 envelope shapes that can affect your sample somewhat. There is also portamento, vibrato, and chord accompaniment with the chord selector system. If you gotta make some lo-fi cheese samples then you might want to try the SK-1, after all it is very cheap! It is used by Fatboy Slim, Beck, Autechre, Portishead, Bloodhound Gang, Nine Inch Nails, Incubus and Blur. | |
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This lil cheap mofo is the shit starter Wrong! Today's music sounds more like it was made on one of these..... But that's only for when the whole band gets together. For those creative new artists that like to create songs all by themselves without the help of others, this is what they use..... . . [Edited 2/27/07 13:00pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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