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Since when did screaming = being a great vocalist? I was watching Oprah when the Dream Girls cast was on and Beyonce sang "listen". I thought she was incredible but then I thought is it because she's yelling? I know in r&b the louder you sing the better a singer you are consisdered. Why is that? Someone like Kelis will never be considered great because she doesn't scream do those dreadful "runs" that everyone does. | |
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now a days "music" is filled with nothing
empty anything goes | |
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missmad said: now a days "music" is filled with nothing
empty anything goes tell me about it. does this mean we're getting old too? isn't that the first sign? | |
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this is how i feel about kelly clarkson. she has no range, but she can shout real good so people think she's a great singer. give me someone like astrud gilberto or sade anytime. they can sing simply and passionately without making my ears bleed. | |
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dancerella said: missmad said: now a days "music" is filled with nothing
empty anything goes tell me about it. does this mean we're getting old too? isn't that the first sign? it doesn't mean we are getting old in 5 yrs these "pop" acts will be gone and what will be left is the music we love. true classic emotionakl timeless pieces of art | |
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I like the so-called "soul-shouting", you know, Stephanie Mills, Natalie Cole, Chaka Khan, Aretha Franklin and Jennifer Holliday... | |
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Anx said: this is how i feel about kelly clarkson. she has no range, but she can shout real good so people think she's a great singer. give me someone like astrud gilberto or sade anytime. they can sing simply and passionately without making my ears bleed.
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Icicle said: I like the so-called "soul-shouting", you know, Stephanie Mills, Natalie Cole, Chaka Khan, Aretha Franklin and Jennifer Holliday...
They could actually sing tho  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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dancerella said: I was watching Oprah when the Dream Girls cast was on and Beyonce sang "listen". I thought she was incredible but then I thought is it because she's yelling? I know in r&b the louder you sing the better a singer you are consisdered. Why is that? Someone like Kelis will never be considered great because she doesn't scream do those dreadful "runs" that everyone does.
I believe some folks confuse "dreadful runs" with actually having control over your voice and being able to do things with it. Would some of the things Bjork does with her voice be considered "dreadful runs"? Anyway, when I think of of people that fall into that mistaking loud=good category...  
...these women always come to mind.
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I love screaming but it has to sound like it came spontaneous and naturally, like the singer was absolutely feeling the song. If the screams are planned, they end up sounding like somebody trying really hard to win on "Amateur Night At The Apollo". Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: I love screaming but it has to sound like it came spontaneous and naturally, like the singer was absolutely feeling the song. If the screams are planned, they end up sounding like somebody trying really hard to win on "Amateur Night At The Apollo".
Dig out some James Brown... 
...Live At The Apollo (1963) That's the flip side of "Amateur Night". 
Footnote: Not only did he scream, but he taught the audience how to scream properly. 
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http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 [Edited 11/28/06 13:52pm] "Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all." | |
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Vainandy's on point! The great vocalists knew that there was a time to scream and shout. Sure Chaka could belt, but she could also purr...I don't think most of the new singers know anything about tension and release, and how to build emotion in a song.....and I think you all are right , you've got kids who grew up watching shows like Showtime at the Apollo and American Idol, and all they seem to know is fireworks and vocal tricks.... ... [Edited 11/28/06 13:46pm] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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theAudience said: dancerella said: I was watching Oprah when the Dream Girls cast was on and Beyonce sang "listen". I thought she was incredible but then I thought is it because she's yelling? I know in r&b the louder you sing the better a singer you are consisdered. Why is that? Someone like Kelis will never be considered great because she doesn't scream do those dreadful "runs" that everyone does.
I believe some folks confuse "dreadful runs" with actually having control over your voice and being able to do things with it. Would some of the things Bjork does with her voice be considered "dreadful runs"? Anyway, when I think of of people that fall into that mistaking loud=good category...
...these women always come to mind.
tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 man, I know you didnt just post a pic of Ehtel Merman up in here!
GOTTA DAAAAANCE!!! ethel deserves to be in bold edit [Edited 11/28/06 14:12pm] A happy face, A Thumpin Bass, For A Lovin' Race. PEACE. | |
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That's why I can't listen to Christina Aguilera. She always just YELLS things.  "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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minneapolisgenius said: That's why I can't listen to Christina Aguilera. She always just YELLS things.
I would have to agree with you on this. She has not yet learned how to sing softly. | |
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VoicesCarry said: minneapolisgenius said: That's why I can't listen to Christina Aguilera. She always just YELLS things.
I would have to agree with you on this. She has not yet learned how to sing softly. I really don't think she could if she tried. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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theAudience said: vainandy said: I love screaming but it has to sound like it came spontaneous and naturally, like the singer was absolutely feeling the song. If the screams are planned, they end up sounding like somebody trying really hard to win on "Amateur Night At The Apollo".
Dig out some James Brown...
...Live At The Apollo (1963) That's the flip side of "Amateur Night".
Footnote: Not only did he scream, but he taught the audience how to scream properly.
tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 [Edited 11/28/06 13:52pm] If he's screaming like he did on "Think", then he's doing some serious screaming. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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paligap said: ...
Vainandy's on point! The great vocalists knew that there was a time to scream and shout. Sure Chaka could belt, but she could also purr...I don't think most of the new singers know anything about tension and release, and how to build emotion in a song.....and I think you all are right , you've got kids who grew up watching shows like Showtime at the Apollo and American Idol, and all they seem to know is fireworks and vocal tricks.... ... [Edited 11/28/06 13:46pm] That is IT, right there. ...and what VainAndy said about current singers sounding like they're trying 2 hard, like contestants at the Apollo... I won't even talk about the state of slow jams these days... Peace. "He's a musician's musician..." |
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unkemptpueblo said: man, I know you didnt just post a pic of Ehtel Merman up in here!
Yeah, I did it. 
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dancerella said: I was watching Oprah when the Dream Girls cast was on and Beyonce sang "listen". I thought she was incredible but then I thought is it because she's yelling? I know in r&b the louder you sing the better a singer you are consisdered. Why is that? Someone like Kelis will never be considered great because she doesn't scream do those dreadful "runs" that everyone does.
Thank U! I couldn't agree more. Mariah (not now, I guess she realized that it's not cool), Christina, Beyonce...they all piss me off oversinging themselves....I remember one of those VH1 Diva special...when MC was trying to outsing Aretha...what a embarassment!! | |
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VoicesCarry said: minneapolisgenius said: That's why I can't listen to Christina Aguilera. She always just YELLS things.
I would have to agree with you on this. She has not yet learned how to sing softly. I wonder if Herbie Hancock ever tried to say anything to her during the Possibilities sessions. tA Tribal Disorder
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B'day is a screamfeast!!! Only "Irreplaceable" is the more "quieter" song of the album...
I have to admit that the screaming gives B'day a very campy zest (with those videos!)
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theAudience said: VoicesCarry said: I would have to agree with you on this. She has not yet learned how to sing softly. I wonder if Herbie Hancock ever tried to say anything to her during the Possibilities sessions. tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 I donno. Honestly I think she COULD do it if she wanted to, it's just that she think she needs to grandstand. Or maybe her voice just sounds like shit if it's soft. I liked "Hurt", but that song would have been so much more powerful if she wasn't yelling. | |
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paligap said:
you've got kids who grew up watching shows like Showtime at the Apollo and American Idol, and all they seem to know is fireworks and vocal tricks.... I started noticing new singers immitating shows like that as far back as "Star Search"...a show that bored the hell out of me. Whenever VH1 does a history on some of these artists, some of them have even performed on "Star Search" in their past. No wonder they are so boring.
Anyway, I remember when David Peaston used to win every weekend on "Amateur Night At The Apollo" singing "God Bless The Child" in the 1980s. He started out singing and by the end of the song, he was screaming at the top of his lungs. The audience went wild each week. I, myself, was loving the performance too. However, afterwards, more and more performers would purposely do a lot of screaming because they had seen how the audience reacted with David Peaston. Yeah, that was great for him but it does not work for everyone. Another thing that used to get on my nerves is, they would try to break it down and copy Luther Vandross when he would break it down. Those earlier entertainers were just being themselves. These newcomers need to stop copying people and start being themselves also. They might find that they have something unique to offer that no one else has ever done before. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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MikeMatronik said: B'day is a screamfeast!!! Only "Irreplaceable" is the more "quieter" song of the album...
I have to admit that the screaming gives B'day a very campy zest (with those videos!)
Guilty pleasure of mine! Oh Mike! I love your avie  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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vainandy said: paligap said:
you've got kids who grew up watching shows like Showtime at the Apollo and American Idol, and all they seem to know is fireworks and vocal tricks.... I started noticing new singers immitating shows like that as far back as "Star Search"...a show that bored the hell out of me. Whenever VH1 does a history on some of these artists, some of them have even performed on "Star Search" in their past. No wonder they are so boring.
Anyway, I remember when David Peaston used to win every weekend on "Amateur Night At The Apollo" singing "God Bless The Child" in the 1980s. He started out singing and by the end of the song, he was screaming at the top of his lungs. The audience went wild each week. I, myself, was loving the performance too. However, afterwards, more and more performers would purposely do a lot of screaming because they had seen how the audience reacted with David Peaston. Yeah, that was great for him but it does not work for everyone. Another thing that used to get on my nerves is, they would try to break it down and copy Luther Vandross when he would break it down. Those earlier entertainers were just being themselves. These newcomers need to stop copying people and start being themselves also. They might find that they have something unique to offer that no one else has ever done before. hell yeah. Remember that Sam guy(cant recall his last name) that kept winning w/ "Somewhere over the Rainbow"? "If birds fly over the rainbow Then why caaaaant IIIII" I kept waiting for his head to explode, but unfortunately it never happened. A happy face, A Thumpin Bass, For A Lovin' Race. PEACE. | |
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theAudience said: Would some of the things Bjork does with her voice be considered "dreadful runs"? I think "dreadful runs" refers to the Maya-Rudolph-as-Gemini's-Twin melisma. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: MikeMatronik said: B'day is a screamfeast!!! Only "Irreplaceable" is the more "quieter" song of the album...
I have to admit that the screaming gives B'day a very campy zest (with those videos!)
Guilty pleasure of mine! Oh Mike! I love your avie Yep...the fiercest avie I ever had! 
Initialy I was gonna use this one:  | |
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^ I really hate Gwen's damn wig | |
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