Damion also sings on the bridge of "Tell Me What You Like". This track should have been a proper single with TR remixes...

I thought that "Dancin'" was a great lead single and hoped that it would bode well for "Guy III". Unfortunately not. Incidentally, there's a great remix of "Goodbye Love" on the Japanese version of "Guy III".

Some of the best remixes were on the 12" promos too; the Hype mix of "Teddy's Jam" comes to mind and the Fantasy mix (I think) of "My Fantasy".

I remember hearing that the track "The Future" was remixed for release. Anyone ever tracked down a 12" promo of this?

I remember reading an interview with Teddy Riley just after the second album was released, in which he said that they were going to release a remixed version of it, as he wasn't that happy with the mixes. Nothing came of it, unfortunately.

LuxuryBrown said:

I surely hope you are joking. Timmy Gatling was gone before GUY's debut album hit the street, which is a very strong reason to remove the songs. "You Can Call Me Crazy" sounded like an Al B. Sure! song and totally doesn't fit in with the rest of the album. "My Business" was flat-out awful.
[Edited 8/31/06 19:50pm]

thesexofit said:

Damion Hall sung on the bridge of the original version of "D-O-G Me Out," and he also rapped on the remix of "Let's Stay Together."

As for "D-O-G Me Out," there were two remixes that were good -- the one with the sample of "Atomic Dog" laced into the song and the aforementioned Wrecks-N-Effect rap.
[Edited 8/31/06 19:28pm]

Najee said:

Nope. Not joking at all. And the album was already mixed and done by the time Timmy dropped out, so why spend the extra money taking off good songs in the first place? You can call them awful all you want but the majority of Guy fans are feelin' those 2 cuts, you're probably in the minority...easily.

So anyway, did anyone pick up Timmy Gatlings one and only solo album? Timmy's voice ain't too good, but at leasrt he doesn't oversing like aaron did at times.


"u ah, been cheatin' on me ah, and i've been cheating on uuuuu"

thesexofit said:

Talking about Aaron is not cool!

LuxuryBrown said:

The Timmy Gatling songs can be dropped in a remastered GUY album and "My Fantasy" can be added, similar to how Motown reissued Boyz II Men's "Cooleyhighharmony" with "End of the Road." I wasn't talking about when the album was being released in 1988, but future releases of the album.

LuxuryBrown said:

And you know this because you conducted a scientific survey and got the opinion of every GUY fan, right?

If the songs are so essential, then why aren't they on any of the compilation GUY albums out there? So why of all the songs on that album that either was released as a single or played heavily on radio stations or in clubs, those two are at the bottom of the list?

One song was a direct ripoff of Al B. Sure!'s sound ("You Can Call Me Crazy") and the other was a rancid filler track ("My Business") tucked on the end of the album. In fact, when you listen to those songs it seems like Gatling recorded those songs by himself -- there is nothing to suggest that Teddy Riley and Aaron Hall helped out on those songs.
[Edited 9/1/06 17:13pm]

Najee said:

Songs were added to Cooleyhighharmony. None were deleted.

thesexofit said:

You and the other eight people in Timmy Gatling's family who bought that album must have thought that.

Najee said:

I know people who have it


Its a solid album

AlexdeParis said:

I didn't say songs from Boyz II Men's "Cooleyhighharmony" were deleted, just that reissued versions of that album later included "End of the Road."

A similar treatment can be done with GUY's debut album by adding "My Fantasy." I would go one step further by removing the Timmy Gatling songs and adding some remixes, particularly "Spend the Night," "I Like," "'Round and 'Round (Merry Go 'Round of Love)." I would keep the original version of "I Like," like you suggested, but likely would replace the original versions of "Spend the Night" and "'Round and 'Round."
[Edited 8/31/06 19:57pm]

Najee said:

I know what you meant. My point was that, when albums are re-released, they rarely delete songs from the original. You don't like the Gatling-led songs, but lots of people do. Deleting them makes no sense... especially considering "My Fantasy" and all of the desired remixes probably wouldn't fit on one CD anyway. A 2-disc set like the Cure remasters makes the most sense IMO.

jjam said:

Ummm, that was Teddy singing.

AlexdeParis said:

The fact you said "rarely" states that it's very conceivable and has been done. I think adding a song that was a No. 1 single and deleting two songs from a member who quit before the album was originally released makes a lot of sense.

AlexdeParis said:

I don't know what survey has been taken to gauge this, but I don't think most people would be terribly upset if the Timmy Gatling songs were removed from a re-issued GUY debut album. "You Can Call Me Crazy" and "My Business" were very likely the two least memorable songs on the album, they sound totally out of step with the rest of the album and were sung by someone who left the group way before the album was released in 1988 -- in fact, Damion Hall gives acknowledgements in the liner notes.

It's fair to say that "My Fantasy" is considered an essential song in a GUY catalog, not an Al B. Sure! ripoff song and a terribly weak filler track performed by essentially a trivia question.
[Edited 8/31/06 20:35pm]

Najee said:

Oh, so YOU'RE in charge of the REMASTERS for Guy, eh? ..OK, so where do I put my order in for my copy, do you do PayPal?

And ask around. I know you think YOU are the end all of GUY FANS but I'm sure you'll find the majority of Guy fans are cool with Timmy's cuts. I know that's hard for the GUY REMASTERER to handle, but such is life.

P.S.: Do you take checks?

LuxuryBrown said:

It's not quite as funny as watching you duck and avoid the very obvious facts for removing the Timmy Gatling songs and adding "My Fantasy" and some better remixes for songs like "Spend the Night" and "'Round and 'Round (Merry Go 'Round of Love)."

It would be one thing if "You Can Call Me Crazy" and "My Business" were hit singles, but in reality they're filler tracks from someone who left GUY before the album was released. In the grand scheme of this group's history, those songs can't be considered relevant. In fact, the songs sound pretty stand-alone from the rest of the tracks on the album.
[Edited 8/31/06 20:37pm]

Najee said:

Actually, I've never heard of it being done. I just said "rarely" because there may be some rare occasion where that happened.


I don't need a survey. A few of us here have said we like those songs. "You Can Call Me Crazy" was played on the radio as an album track here. Many people talk about playing the album in its entirety. AFAIC, just one person liking them is enough to keep them. You haven't made a convincing argument for deleting them IMO. If Zapp albums were remastered, would you advocate removing all traces of Larry Troutman since he killed Roger?

If I were in charge of remastering Guy, here's my track list:

Disc 1
1. Groove Me (4:33)
2. Teddy's Jam (3:35)
3. Don't Clap... Just Dance (5:03)
4. You Can Call Me Crazy (4:06)
5. Piece of My Love (5:15)
6. I Like (4:54)
7. 'Round and 'Round (Merry Go 'Round of Love) (4:17)
8. Spend the Night (4:26)
9. Goodbye Love (5:04)
10. My Business (3:53)

11. My Fantasy (4:57)

Disc 2
1. Groove Me (Extended Version) [7:45]
2. Teddy's Jam (Extended Version) [7:50]
3. Don't Clap... Just Dance (12" Mix) [6:57]
4. I Like (Extended Version) [8:17]
5. I Like (Hype Version) [4:50]
6. 'Round and 'Round (Merry Go 'Round of Love) (Extended Version) [7:52]
7. Spend the Night (Extended Version) [5:45]
8. My Fantasy (Extended Version) [5:24]

My favorite is "Goodbye Love"

Byyyye byyyye my lovvvvve yaaaah

Najee said:

[Bait snip - luv4u]

Najee said:

I really don't like the idea of removing tracks from an album.I bought the Guy album back in 1988 and if they remaster it,I want the exact same tracks that I was listening to back then.In fact,they should be adding tracks....outtakes,remixes,alternate versions,etc.Personally,I love the track "You Can Call Me Crazy".

AlexdeParis said:

You can find just as many people on this thread who didn't like the Timmy Gatling songs, so we're at a stalemate. "You Can Call Me Crazy" was played occassionally as an album track, but it would place at the bottom of the songs to receive airplay after the five singles, "Piece of My Love" and "Goodbye Love."

AlexdeParis said:

Quite frankly, that's not even comparable and you come across as intelligent enough to realize that comparison doesn't make sense. I named very legitimate reasons:

1.) Timmy Gatling quit GUY before the group's first album was released (so far in advance that he is not listed anywhere in the liner notes, and Damion Hall is listed giving acknowledgements).

2.) His two songs on which he sang lead -- "You Can Call Me Crazy" and "My Business" -- were never released as singles, and were the weakest songs on the album. The songs rank behind "Groove Me," "Teddy's Jam," "I Like," "'Round and 'Round (Merry Go 'Round of Love)," "Piece of My Love," "Goodbye Love" and "Spend the Night" in any relevance.

3.) Conceptually, the songs didn't seem to fit the album then, and certainly don't fit into the style GUY developed on subsequent projects. In fact, when listening to the album it seems like Teddy Riley and Aaron Hall recorded eight songs by themselves and Gatling's two songs were done by himself.

Those are legitimate reasons, especially if I have to choose between having the Gatling songs and having "My Fantasy." Personally, I never understood why re-released "GUY" albums never included "My Fantasy" in the first place.

That's certainly different from ZAPP's situation, where founder and driving force Roger Troutman was killed in a recording studio years after his group's heyday. Gatling has no relevance at all in GUY's legacy -- he quit before the group's career started. The only reason you have come up with keeping the Gatling songs is that you want to be a completionist.

We agree to disagree, which is fine. But don't try to insult my intelligence with some half-baked comparison to ZAPP and then not coming up with a convincing reason to keep the Gatling songs beyond "Because I said so."
[Edited 9/3/06 17:53pm]

LuxuryBrown said:

Last I looked, this was a free speech forum where we can express our opinions. Some more than others can express their opinion in a mature manner. So yes, if I was remastering GUY's debut album I would have no problem with removing the Timmy Gatling songs, for the reasons I stated.

I have no problem with you disagreeing, but it would be nice if you tried to explain your reasoning in a much more mature fashion. It's hard to take someone seriously when he is calling the weakest song on a solid album "the shit," swears he is speaking for thousands of other people and making poor attempts at third-grade insults to make himself heard.
[Edited 9/1/06 4:46am]

AlexdeParis said:

This is acceptable. That way you can have the remixes and you can skip the Timmy Gatling songs if you choose. I wasn't aware there was a remix of "Don't Clap ... Just Dance."
[Edited 9/1/06 4:31am]

SoulAlive said:

In this case, there is more than acceptable reason to remove the Timmy Gatling tracks, especially if it comes at the expense of not adding GUY's only No. 1 single. In fact, MCA should have removed the tracks before the album was released in 1988 because he quit far enough in advance.

In the nearly 20 years since that album came out, whenever I record that album for myself or others on cassette or CD "You Can Call Me Crazy" and "My Business" are never requested for the reasons stated. So there are two schools of thought, despite claims to the contrary.
[Edited 9/1/06 4:57am]

The remixes for "Don't Clap" were just alternate mixes of the original track, no extra production going on. The promo I have for it has the 12" Mix, Acapella, Radio Edit, Dub and Drum Beats mixes.

Najee said:

Where oh WHERE did you get the "Don't Be Afraid" Remix??? I've been looking for that shit in cd/mp3 form FOREVER!!!

You need to OrgNote me

thesexofit said:[quote]

Does anyone remember Timmy gatling' solo album "help"? I personally prefer it over guy's debut.

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Wow.....that cd was NOT good in any way that I remember.

Graycap23 said:

This was also the same person who thought Aaron Hall oversang his songs at times on GUY's first album.

Of course, you also have someone else on this thread saying Gatling's "My Business" was "the shit" and that it was a good transition from hearing Aaron Hall sing.
[Edited 9/1/06 8:09am]

Najee said:

2 some degree Aaron was over singing a bit but it worked. I'm still tripping off that fact that some actually enjoyed Timmy's singing. That is the 1st time I've ever heard that. Teddy can't sing worth a damn either. The problem is, Teddy thought that he COULD.